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Postby United Casio » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:51 pm

Do you have paradoxes? I certainly do, I go over them in my mind over and over trying to find a loop hole. So NSG, do you have your own paradoxes? If so, post your own.

Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech

Paradox #2: "Nothing is impossible": If truly nothing is impossible, then wouldn't it be possible for the impossibility to be truly impossible? Think about it, it annoys me. Can you find any loopholes?

None at the moment.
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Postby Raw Nation » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:56 pm

hmm...I never figured out the one about Data's head
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:59 pm

United Casio wrote:
Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech


Freedom of Speech gives you the right to speak freely, it doesn't give you the right to revoke your own rights.

Paradox #2: "Nothing is impossible": If truly nothing is impossible, then wouldn't it be possible for the impossibility to be truly impossible? Think about it, it annoys me. Can you find any loopholes?


There's no paradox there. It's just an incorrect assertion for which you've already produced a counter-example.
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Postby New Babylonia » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:02 pm

there are two men, a man that always lies and one that always tells the truth. one of the men says to the other " i always lie."


.......i seriously tried to figure this out for about 20minutes before i was told i was a paradox.
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Postby Vortiaganica » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:32 pm

New Babylonia wrote:there are two men, a man that always lies and one that always tells the truth. one of the men says to the other " i always lie."


.......i seriously tried to figure this out for about 20minutes before i was told i was a paradox.


The man talking to the other is lying. He 'sometimes lies'.

It's a false binary, or something like that.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:35 pm

United Casio wrote:Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech

I don't see anything paradoxical about that. Why wouldn't a right to free speech cover speech that denies that there is/should be a right to free speech?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
United Casio wrote:Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech

I don't see anything paradoxical about that. Why wouldn't a right to free speech cover speech that denies that there is/should be a right to free speech?


Personally I am a big believer in the obligation to STFU rather than some unqualified freedom of speech.

It is probably a result of a condition I was born with that means that too high a level of stupid gives me an earache.
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Postby Osoaribbean » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:41 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
United Casio wrote:
Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech


Freedom of Speech gives you the right to speak freely, it doesn't give you the right to revoke your own rights.


On a personal level, you can always waive your own rights. And yes, you can use your freedom of speech to try and advocate that the government revoke your freedom of speech. Aside from Bananagrabber using it in his paradox example though, I can't see any justifiable reason to do it. It seems a bit oymoronic and asinine though.
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Postby Lordieth » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:44 pm

Raw Nation wrote:hmm...I never figured out the one about Data's head


Time's Arrow?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time's_Arr ... Generation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradox
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:47 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't see anything paradoxical about that. Why wouldn't a right to free speech cover speech that denies that there is/should be a right to free speech?


Personally I am a big believer in the obligation to STFU rather than some unqualified freedom of speech.

It is probably a result of a condition I was born with that means that too high a level of stupid gives me an earache.

I don't think the world is ready for your wisdom, DI.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:50 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Personally I am a big believer in the obligation to STFU rather than some unqualified freedom of speech.

It is probably a result of a condition I was born with that means that too high a level of stupid gives me an earache.

I don't think the world is ready for your wisdom, DI.


I will have to increase the fluoride levels in the water further until I control everyone's precious bodily fluids.
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Postby Tahitoa » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:52 pm

This statement is false.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:54 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't think the world is ready for your wisdom, DI.


I will have to increase the fluoride levels in the water further until I control everyone's precious bodily fluids.

Sweet, I love the taste of fluoride.
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Postby Morbus mortis » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:57 pm

If you use an absolute, you will always be wrong.
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Postby Morbus mortis » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:58 pm

If you use an absolute, you will always be wrong.
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Postby New Babylonia » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:48 pm

heres a few :

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"If there is an exception to every rule, then every rule must have at least one exception; the exception to this one being that it has no exception." "There's always an exception to the rule, except to the exception of the rule — which is, in of itself, an accepted exception of the rule.

People can make decisions based not on what they actually want to do, but on what they think that other people want to do, with the result that everybody decides to do something that nobody really wants to do, but only what they thought that everybody else wanted to do.

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(1) Everyone is afraid of Dracula.

(2) Dracula is afraid of only me.

Therefore I am Dracula.

Doesn't that argument sound like just a silly joke? Well it isn't; it is valid. Since everyone is afraid of Dracula, then Dracula is afraid of Dracula. So Dracula is afraid of Dracula, but also is afraid of no one but me. Therefore I must be Dracula!

you know you coul've just looked up paradoxes on google lol.
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Postby Coccygia » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:51 pm

IMHO a pardox indicates that there's something wrong with one's thinking. The paradox of Achilles and the tortoise is of this sort. I think Leibnitz disposed of this one (as well as the Dichotomy) rather decisively by inventing calculus. "Ne craignez point, monsieur, la tortue." ("Have no fear of the tortoise, sir.")
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Postby California Bay Area » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:36 pm

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Postby Maroza » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:43 pm

Going back in time to kill your ancestor. I see it in so many movies and story plots. If you went back in time to kill your father/mother before you were borne you never existed. However if you never existed then you will have never around to go back in time to kill them.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:12 pm

Tahitoa wrote:This statement is false.

Not all logicians agree that this is a paradox...
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Postby JJ Place » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:42 pm

United Casio wrote:Do you have paradoxes? I certainly do, I go over them in my mind over and over trying to find a loop hole. So NSG, do you have your own paradoxes? If so, post your own.

Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech

You do have the right to denounce freedom of speech. Hypocrisy does not equate to paradox.

United Casio wrote:Paradox #2: "Nothing is impossible": If truly nothing is impossible, then wouldn't it be possible for the impossibility to be truly impossible? Think about it, it annoys me. Can you find any loopholes?

Yes, because nothing is impossible, everything is possible, the abstract of the impossible is possible within the confines of a self-limited mind.

There, I provided an addition to both of your paradoxen. Have you any more paradonxi for my mind to bend, twist, and uncover?
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:43 pm

No, I don't have paradox. I'm a good mage, and I take care to avoid accumulating paradox when casting.
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:47 pm

Really, no one mentioned the omnipotence paradox yet?
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Postby Galloism » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:47 pm

United Casio wrote:Do you have paradoxes? I certainly do, I go over them in my mind over and over trying to find a loop hole. So NSG, do you have your own paradoxes? If so, post your own.

Paradox #1: Freedom of Speech, if the freedom of speech was correct, you also h have the ability to denounce you right to freedom of speech through the right of freedom of speech

Paradox #2: "Nothing is impossible": If truly nothing is impossible, then wouldn't it be possible for the impossibility to be truly impossible? Think about it, it annoys me. Can you find any loopholes?

Well, I'm lying.
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