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Postby Revolutopia » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:33 pm

Caninope wrote:
Tahar Joblis wrote:As described in "The Triumph of Politics," by David Stockman, who was Reagan's "wunderkind" economic advisor, Reagan's economic policy boiled down to "yank government services and cut taxes." The idea was to shrink government. This neither actually happened, as Reagan rubber-stamped anything related to "security" and didn't have the political capital to touch Medicare or Social Security (resulting in no net reductions in government spending), and the abuse of the Laffer curve carried out by his budget team proved empirically incorrect when revenue time rolled around.

Which is why there was an increasing tax revenue as a % of the GDP during Reagan's term. I would say that the initial drop came from a combination of recession and of the implementation of the Kemp Roth tax cuts, which were soon supplemented by other tax changes. A Joint Economic Council of the House in '96 condoned the ERTA as beneficial to growth, at least in that decade. I'm not an economist though, and I don't feel like arguing, but go ahead and post your argument, anyways. It's always good to listen to other sides. Might learn something.


Inflation and natural population growth, tax revenue always increases no matter what congress does with its rate the previous year.
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Postby Caninope » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:34 pm

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Caninope wrote:Which is why there was an increasing tax revenue as a % of the GDP during Reagan's term. I would say that the initial drop came from a combination of recession and of the implementation of the Kemp Roth tax cuts, which were soon supplemented by other tax changes. A Joint Economic Council of the House in '96 condoned the ERTA as beneficial to growth, at least in that decade. I'm not an economist though, and I don't feel like arguing, but go ahead and post your argument, anyways. It's always good to listen to other sides. Might learn something.


Inflation and natural population growth, tax revenue always increases no matter what congress does with its rate the previous year.

But not as a % of the GDP.
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Postby Revolutopia » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:38 pm

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Revolutopia wrote:
Inflation and natural population growth, tax revenue always increases no matter what congress does with its rate the previous year.

But not as a % of the GDP.


Reagan also raised taxes 7 times during his presidency, thus it would be hard to credit only his cuts.
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Postby Caninope » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:51 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
Caninope wrote:But not as a % of the GDP.


Reagan also raised taxes 7 times during his presidency, thus it would be hard to credit only his cuts.

He changed the tax code several times. He raised taxes, he lowered them, he got rid of deductions, etc. It was by no means just tax cuts, and to say it was is a gross oversimplification of his tax and fiscal policy.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:37 pm

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Wikkiwallana wrote:I was under the impression that Stalin was in power into the 50's, and that the worst stuff started after WWII. If I'm wrong, please show me, I would be happy to learn and have my timelines straightened out.


Uh...no. Remember it was Khrushchev who dismantled the GULAG system Stalin created; that's not to say there wasn't oppression in the USSR but it wasn't like what went on during the Stalinist era. Not by any stretch of the imagination; in fact, part of the reason the Soviet system collapsed was how lax and corrupt it became allowing people both important and insignificant to steal from the country.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:40 pm

Caninope wrote:
Tahar Joblis wrote:As described in "The Triumph of Politics," by David Stockman, who was Reagan's "wunderkind" economic advisor, Reagan's economic policy boiled down to "yank government services and cut taxes." The idea was to shrink government. This neither actually happened, as Reagan rubber-stamped anything related to "security" and didn't have the political capital to touch Medicare or Social Security (resulting in no net reductions in government spending), and the abuse of the Laffer curve carried out by his budget team proved empirically incorrect when revenue time rolled around.

Which is why there was an increasing tax revenue as a % of the GDP during Reagan's term. I would say that the initial drop came from a combination of recession and of the implementation of the Kemp Roth tax cuts, which were soon supplemented by other tax changes. A Joint Economic Council of the House in '96 condoned the ERTA as beneficial to growth, at least in that decade. I'm not an economist though, and I don't feel like arguing, but go ahead and post your argument, anyways. It's always good to listen to other sides. Might learn something.

Ok, how's this for an argument? After the initial cut he raised them several times. That's where the extra money came from. Did you not see the big drop between '82 and '83? How about the fact that they didn't reach '82 levels again until the late Clinton Years?
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Postby Jagalonia » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:11 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:No one ever really said that Americans were smart....>.>


Trolling effort 1/10.

Seriously, put some effort into it.

I was being serious....I've never heard anyone say Americans were smart....>.>
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:11 am

Jagalonia wrote:I was being serious....I've never heard anyone say Americans were smart....>.>

Americans are smart.

Never make that claim again.
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Postby Keronians » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:16 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:I was being serious....I've never heard anyone say Americans were smart....>.>

Americans are smart.

Never make that claim again.


Well, he didn't exactly hear you, did he? ;)
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:18 am

Jagalonia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Trolling effort 1/10.

Seriously, put some effort into it.

I was being serious....I've never heard anyone say Americans were smart....>.>


I agree. This is why its best Universities are amongst the lowest regarded in the world.

I mean fuck, my Cat got into Princeton just the other week. My FUCKING Cat! :palm:
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Postby Keronians » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:21 am

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Jagalonia wrote:I was being serious....I've never heard anyone say Americans were smart....>.>


I agree. This is why it's best Universities are amongst the lowest regarded in the world.

I mean fuck, my Cat got into Princeton just the other week. My FUCKING Cat! :palm:


Wait, isn't Jagalonia American? I can't remember if he was American or Canadian. I remember him being in the armed forces of one of those nations, though.

Anyway, America's primary and secondary education system is crap relative to the rest of the developed world. Especially in maths and science. Tertiary is top notch, though.

You do 11th grade and 12th grade in the UK and come to the US for university and you go directly to your second year!
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:56 am

Genivaria wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/poll-economy-fix-americans-pick-reagan-over-roosevelt-164905667.html
Ronald Reagan beat out Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the former president Americans would like to see in the White House during these trying economic times, a new 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll finds.

Thirty-six percent of those polled said they wanted the Gipper to lead America out of the economic crisis, while 29 percent picked Roosevelt. Thomas Jefferson came in third place with the support of 14 percent of those polled, followed by Roosevelt’s successor Harry Truman at 8 percent. William Henry Harrison, who was inaugurated in March 1841 and died one month later, came in last with 1 percent support.

Reagan was the pick of 68 percent of Republicans, 16 percent of Democrats and 34 percent of independents surveyed. Sixteen percent of Republicans, 43 percent of Democrats and 26 percent of independents chose Roosevelt.

The poll also found that 68 percent of Americans think Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would make the best Democratic vice presidential candidate if Joe Biden doesn’t remain on the ticket next year. When asked what words they thought of when the heard the name Marco Rubio, 25 percent said “U.S. Senator” while 14 percent said “Major League Baseball player” and 7 percent said “Cuban musician.”
The poll was conducted September 28 and October 2 among 1,012 American adults.

I am both saddened and disturbed by the apparent fact that people want REAGAN back. Thoughts NS?

What's the big problem? Reagan wasn't that bad. Roosevelt isn't perfect, I don't know why you think that.
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Postby Volnotova » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:59 am

So would I.

Not that I think that Reagan was Captain Wise and Competent either.
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Postby Jagalonia » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:00 pm

Keronians wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:
I agree. This is why it's best Universities are amongst the lowest regarded in the world.

I mean fuck, my Cat got into Princeton just the other week. My FUCKING Cat! :palm:


Wait, isn't Jagalonia American? I can't remember if he was American or Canadian. I remember him being in the armed forces of one of those nations, though.

Anyway, America's primary and secondary education system is crap relative to the rest of the developed world. Especially in maths and science. Tertiary is top notch, though.

You do 11th grade and 12th grade in the UK and come to the US for university and you go directly to your second year!

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Postby Southern Babylonia » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:03 pm

Anyone can post online that Americans want Reagan back. I could post online that I'd been elected emperor of Bananaland, but does it mean Bananalanders really want me to rule them? I don't think so.
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Postby Keronians » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:05 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Genivaria wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/poll-economy-fix-americans-pick-reagan-over-roosevelt-164905667.html

I am both saddened and disturbed by the apparent fact that people want REAGAN back. Thoughts NS?

What's the big problem? Reagan wasn't that bad. Roosevelt isn't perfect, I don't know why you think that.


The fact that the current mess can make its way back to Ronald Reagan?
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Postby Jagalonia » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:05 pm

Southern Babylonia wrote:Anyone can post online that Americans want Reagan back. I could post online that I'd been elected emperor of Bananaland, but does it mean Bananalanders really want me to rule them? I don't think so.

I don't think the bananalanders would want a ruler that would eat them.....
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:07 pm

Keronians wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What's the big problem? Reagan wasn't that bad. Roosevelt isn't perfect, I don't know why you think that.


The fact that the current mess can make its way back to Ronald Reagan?

Roosevelt wasn't perfect either.
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Postby Keronians » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:09 pm

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Keronians wrote:
The fact that the current mess can make its way back to Ronald Reagan?

Roosevelt wasn't perfect either.


But he solved stuff.

Reagan created a mess.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:30 pm

Southern Babylonia wrote:Anyone can post online that Americans want Reagan back. I could post online that I'd been elected emperor of Bananaland, but does it mean Bananalanders really want me to rule them? I don't think so.

I don't think 60 minutes would go around making crap up for shits and giggles. It would kinda ruin their ability to stay in business.
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Postby Revolutopia » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:34 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:I don't think 60 minutes would go around making crap up for shits and giggles. It would kinda ruin their ability to stay in business.


Doesn't seem to hurt Fox News............Zing!
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:40 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:I don't think 60 minutes would go around making crap up for shits and giggles. It would kinda ruin their ability to stay in business.


Doesn't seem to hurt Fox News............Zing!

That's because they aren't in the same business. 60 Minutes is in the news business, but Fox News is in the propaganda business. It makes its money through sponsorship, not consumers.
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Postby Caninope » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:56 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Caninope wrote:Which is why there was an increasing tax revenue as a % of the GDP during Reagan's term. I would say that the initial drop came from a combination of recession and of the implementation of the Kemp Roth tax cuts, which were soon supplemented by other tax changes. A Joint Economic Council of the House in '96 condoned the ERTA as beneficial to growth, at least in that decade. I'm not an economist though, and I don't feel like arguing, but go ahead and post your argument, anyways. It's always good to listen to other sides. Might learn something.

Ok, how's this for an argument? After the initial cut he raised them several times. That's where the extra money came from. Did you not see the big drop between '82 and '83? How about the fact that they didn't reach '82 levels again until the late Clinton Years?

The big drop between '82 and '83 could also be attributed to the recession that occurred at the time, Wiki.

EDIT: It's hardly fair to say that the only real Reagan tax policy was the Kemp Roth cuts, too.
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Postby Caninope » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:59 pm

Keronians wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Roosevelt wasn't perfect either.


But he solved stuff.

Reagan created a mess.

Well, uh, it could certainly be argued that Roosevelt's policies caused the dip in '37. Also, FDR created plenty of messes.
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Postby Revolutopia » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:02 pm

Caninope wrote:
Keronians wrote:
But he solved stuff.

Reagan created a mess.

Well, uh, it could certainly be argued that Roosevelt's policies caused the dip in '37. Also, FDR created plenty of messes.

That more had to do with Roosevelt being convinced by the fiscal conservatives of his day to but a premature end to his policies.
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.-FDR

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