For economy fix, Americans pick Reagan over Roosevelt

[Revolutopia]

probably bcause Roosevelt was a socialist who believed in a Federal Governemnt with all the power indicated by his elimination of the gold standard, besides Reagan pulled America out of a depression after Jimmy Carter failed to do so and Reagan was more recent.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was not a socialist! How often does this propaganda lie have to be dragged out before it just dies already.

[Euronion]

Now, I've practically idolised FDR, but his embargo on Japan pretty much led to Pearl Harbor.

Which was, though, IMO, a good thing. Without America, the outcome of the war in Europe is put into doubt, since the USA's manufacturing ability was a big factor in the USSR turning the tide on Nazi Germany.

The British Empire fighting Japan and Germany...

Not to mention that the Nazi's nuclear program was only a month behind ours and if they had no been pressured by the invasion of Normandy to stop the program, then WWII would've definately been changed. It may have been FDR that started war with Japan, but it was President Trueman who ended the bloos shed in the pacific and saved millions of lives on both sides

[Keronians]

probably bcause Roosevelt was a socialist who believed in a Federal Governemnt with all the power indicated by his elimination of the gold standard, besides Reagan pulled America out of a depression after Jimmy Carter failed to do so and Reagan was more recent.

Nixon eliminated the gold standard, not FDR.

FDR did temporarily take the US off the gold standard.

Between 1933 and 1934, IIRC.

[Kaizerxisiv]

Not to mention that the Nazi's nuclear program was only a month behind ours and if they had no been pressured by the invasion of Normandy to stop the program, then WWII would've definately been changed. It may have been FDR that started war with Japan, but it was President Trueman who ended the bloos shed in the pacific and saved millions of lives on both sides

Eh. That's only partially true. Iwo Jima was an example of how easily we could defeat the Japanese Imperials. They were so low on ammunition and so isolated that they had to switch to the desperate tactics of burying themselves in the mountain and hope to ambush American forces in a suicide-attack. In truth, Truman saved soldiers' lives, but in the longer term, our country now has the civilian bloodstains of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to deal with forever. A big blockade and they would have been starved into submission. Worst case, the Russians would have handled it for us; they were still pissed about the Russo-Japanese War...still are, actually.

[Kaizerxisiv]

Nixon eliminated the gold standard, not FDR.

FDR did temporarily take the US off the gold standard.

Between 1933 and 1934, IIRC.

True, but Nixon ended it indefinitely. That's why they call it 'The Nixon Shock'.

[Revolutopia]

Nixon eliminated the gold standard, not FDR.

FDR did temporarily take the US off the gold standard.

Between 1933 and 1934, IIRC.

Roosevelt just nationalized Gold, but didn't really take us off the standard.

edit:take not give

[Acroticus]

Roosevelt was a great President, in the top ten no doubt. However, if Roosevelt had the army we have today, he would have tried to conquer the world. American expansionalism and all that, since he did begin the Spanish-American War (not while he was President, bu while he was assistant secretary of the navy, and then he resigned tog go fight in it). When he was defeated, and there is no doubt he would be, he would be seen as another Napolean Ceasar, or Hitler, even.

You're talking about Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt [Charge of San Juan Hill], and I think everyone else is pretty much talking about Franklin Delano Roosevelt [Wheelchair President]. Both are awesome guys, to be sure.

Thankyou, I did mean TR. Someone else had mentioned him I thought.

[Caninope]

probably bcause Roosevelt was a socialist who believed in a Federal Governemnt with all the power indicated by his elimination of the gold standard, besides Reagan pulled America out of a depression after Jimmy Carter failed to do so and Reagan was more recent.

FDR wasn't a socialist. He is also consistently ranked as one of the best presidents in American history. Behind only Abraham Lincoln.

Reagan managed to get in office when a bubble was brewing, which he fed with Reaganomics.

Occasionally behind Washington.

[Coccygia]

Well, FDR was so long ago, like during the Civil War practically, and most Americans probably think he's the guy on Mt. Rushmore with glasses and a mustache, unless they think that's Groucho.

[Wikkiwallana]

probably bcause Roosevelt was a socialist who believed in a Federal Governemnt with all the power indicated by his elimination of the gold standard, besides Reagan pulled America out of a depression after Jimmy Carter failed to do so and Reagan was more recent.

You're hilarious, you should do stand up.

[Euronion]

Not to mention that the Nazi's nuclear program was only a month behind ours and if they had no been pressured by the invasion of Normandy to stop the program, then WWII would've definately been changed. It may have been FDR that started war with Japan, but it was President Trueman who ended the bloos shed in the pacific and saved millions of lives on both sides

Eh. That's only partially true. Iwo Jima was an example of how easily we could defeat the Japanese Imperials. They were so low on ammunition and so isolated that they had to switch to the desperate tactics of burying themselves in the mountain and hope to ambush American forces in a suicide-attack. In truth, Truman saved soldiers' lives, but in the longer term, our country now has the civilian bloodstains of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to deal with forever. A big blockade and they would have been starved into submission. Worst case, the Russians would have handled it for us; they were still pissed about the Russo-Japanese War...still are, actually.

Not true, Iwo Jima was a bloody bloody battle, yes they were low on ammunition and such but the only other way to stop the Japanese would've been an invasion of the Japanese homeland

Casualties for both Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 150,000 - 246,000 casualties in total
Projected Casualties for an invasion of the Japanese Homeland: 1,400,000 - 1,700,000 American Casualties and 400,000 - 800,000 American fatalities with an estimated 5,000,000 - 10,000,000 Japanese fatalities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

[Euronion]

probably bcause Roosevelt was a socialist who believed in a Federal Governemnt with all the power indicated by his elimination of the gold standard, besides Reagan pulled America out of a depression after Jimmy Carter failed to do so and Reagan was more recent.

You're hilarious, you should do stand up.

I don't see what is so funny about facts

[Wikkiwallana]

You're hilarious, you should do stand up.

I don't see what is so funny about facts

The fact that the post contained none?

[Whestion]

So there truly are intelligent people on this site.
Reagan shall always be better then Roosevelt!!

[Kaizerxisiv]

You're hilarious, you should do stand up.

I don't see what is so funny about facts

You've already been discredited, so move on.

Look up 'Nixon Shock'.

[Wikkiwallana]

So there truly are intelligent people on this site.
Reagan shall always be better then Roosevelt!!

Why?

[The Black Forrest]

Regan?

No thank you.

Hmmmm I wonder what the worshipers would think if they knew he admired FDR?

Hmmm. All this blather about the evils of deficit spending and they still worship him.

[Euronion]

I don't see what is so funny about facts

The fact that the post contained none?

Roosevelt eliminated the Private Gold Ownership http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
Ronald Reagan is more recent than Roosevelt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_date_of_birth

what else is there to say?

[Threlizdun]

I find it more suprising that that many Americans remembered who Roosevelt was.

[Euronion]

So there truly are intelligent people on this site.
Reagan shall always be better then Roosevelt!!

Why?

Because Reagan wasn't a person who advicated the government's right to trample on the Constitution like FDR

[Kaizerxisiv]

The fact that the post contained none?

Roosevelt eliminated the Private Gold Ownership http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
Ronald Reagan is more recent than Roosevelt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_date_of_birth

what else is there to say?

Two Words: NIXON. SHOCK.

1971, Nixon eliminates Gold Standard. Indefinitely. FDR reinstated after the SUSPENSION he placed on it. Learn your history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock

[Revolutopia]

The fact that the post contained none?

Roosevelt eliminated the Private Gold Ownership http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
Ronald Reagan is more recent than Roosevelt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_date_of_birth

what else is there to say?

Ending private gold ownership is not ending the gold standard, nor have you proven that he is a socialist.

[The Black Forrest]

I find it more suprising that that many Americans remembered who Roosevelt was.

Not really. Myth and politics are creating his memories now.

Especially now that the people who lived under him are dying off.

[Wikkiwallana]

The fact that the post contained none?

Roosevelt eliminated the Private Gold Ownership http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
Ronald Reagan is more recent than Roosevelt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_date_of_birth

what else is there to say?

How about you define socialism then explain how FDR met that definition. Then explain how eliminating private ownership of gold money means he "believed in a Federal Governemnt with all the power", whatever that means. Then finally show how it was Reagan got us out of a depression.

And you are right, there was A fact, Reagan was more recent. So my statement that it contained no facts was incorrect.

[Wikkiwallana]

Why?

Because Reagan wasn't a person who advicated the government's right to trample on the Constitution like FDR

And yet another thing you need to back up. How did FDR want to trample on the Constitution?