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Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich

Postby The Floridian Coast » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:49 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/pregnant-mom-says ... 07004.html

"Famished, the former Air Force staff sergeant picked up the two sandwiches that together cost $5. She openly munched on one while they shopped, saving the wrapper to be scanned at the register later.
But they forgot to pay for the sandwiches as they checked out with about $50 worth of groceries.
"When the security guard questioned us, I was really embarrassed, I was horrified," she said. They were led upstairs, where the couple expected to get a lecture, pay for the sandwiches, and be allowed on their way.
But store managers wouldn't allow them to pay for the sandwiches, she said.
"I asked to talk to a manager and he said it was against their policy to pay for items that left the store," she said. "The security guard said we were being charged with shoplifting."
Four hours later, a police officer arrived and read them their rights. A woman from the state Child Welfare Services arrived to take Zofia away.
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I think the saddest thing about this case isn't the pettiness of the store, or the ridiculous bureaucracy that led to them being arrested for a fourth degree misdemeanor and their kid being taken by the state for 18 hours, but this couple's ignorance of their rights. Look, I feel bad for them, but it took 4 hours for police to arrive, likely because even they knew this was so incredibly stupid and were dealing with more important things (Literally anything else).

Who the hell sits in a store office for 4 hours? Do Americans realize loss prevention officers have zero authority to detain them, and that if they so much as lay a hand on you, that you can press assault charges against them? Store security aren't cops, they have no authority to detain you. So most of all I'm sad that it even came to this, I doubt the couple could have even been arrested if they just flipped the store the bird and walked out.
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:52 pm

Should of just left 5 dollars on the counter, and said fuck you to the store. I wouldn't sit four hours anywhere because some rent a cop told me too. But the woman was probably just scared, albeit a little naive.
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Postby Hungramy » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:53 pm

So? your argument is invaild.

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Postby Volmachtia » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:53 pm

Bloody absurd and and slimy on the store's part.

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Postby Caninope » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:55 pm

The Floridian Coast wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/pregnant-mom-says-sandwich-arrest-horrifying-214407004.html

"Famished, the former Air Force staff sergeant picked up the two sandwiches that together cost $5. She openly munched on one while they shopped, saving the wrapper to be scanned at the register later.
But they forgot to pay for the sandwiches as they checked out with about $50 worth of groceries.
"When the security guard questioned us, I was really embarrassed, I was horrified," she said. They were led upstairs, where the couple expected to get a lecture, pay for the sandwiches, and be allowed on their way.
But store managers wouldn't allow them to pay for the sandwiches, she said.
"I asked to talk to a manager and he said it was against their policy to pay for items that left the store," she said. "The security guard said we were being charged with shoplifting."
Four hours later, a police officer arrived and read them their rights. A woman from the state Child Welfare Services arrived to take Zofia away.
"


I think the saddest thing about this case isn't the pettiness of the store, or the ridiculous bureaucracy that led to them being arrested for a fourth degree misdemeanor and their kid being taken by the state for 18 hours, but this couple's ignorance of their rights. Look, I feel bad for them, but it took 4 hours for police to arrive, likely because even they knew this was so incredibly stupid and were dealing with more important things (Literally anything else).

Who the hell sits in a store office for 4 hours? Do Americans realize loss prevention officers have zero authority to detain them, and that if they so much as lay a hand on you, that you can press assault charges against them? Store security aren't cops, they have no authority to detain you. So most of all I'm sad that it even came to this, I doubt the couple could have even been arrested if they just flipped the store the bird and walked out.

You can, legally have the authority to detain someone even if you aren't a sworn law enforcement officer. While I'm not familiar with Hawaii's citizen's arrest laws, I wouldn't doubt that they allow detention of the criminal.
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Postby The Floridian Coast » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:57 pm

Caninope wrote:You can, legally have the authority to detain someone even if you aren't a sworn law enforcement officer. While I'm not familiar with Hawaii's citizen's arrest laws, I wouldn't doubt that they allow detention of the criminal.


I believe most citizens' arrest laws are only valid for felonies, and in some cases, only in the case where the safety of others is at risk.

Nonetheless, they cannot be charged with any additional crime for walking out of the store.
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Postby Caninope » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:59 pm

The Floridian Coast wrote:
Caninope wrote:You can, legally have the authority to detain someone even if you aren't a sworn law enforcement officer. While I'm not familiar with Hawaii's citizen's arrest laws, I wouldn't doubt that they allow detention of the criminal.


I believe most citizens' arrest laws are only valid for felonies, and in some cases, only in the case where the safety of others is at risk.

Nonetheless, they cannot be charged with any additional crime for walking out of the store.

Nein. AFAIK, citizen's arrest laws are valid for all felonies (except in NC), and some states have provisions for misdemeanors too. And in walking out the store, she committed the crime.
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Postby Meowfoundland » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:59 pm

They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:01 pm

Meowfoundland wrote:They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?


Working in retail for three years I can safely tell you people do it all the time. They'll come up with empty wrappers, empty 20oz drinks, opened boxes of food etc.
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Postby Augustus Este » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:02 pm

Meowfoundland wrote:They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?


My grandma used to taste grapes. She got yelled at a few times.

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Postby Meowfoundland » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:02 pm

Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Meowfoundland wrote:They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?


Working in retail for three years I can safely tell you people do it all the time. They'll come up with empty wrappers, empty 20oz drinks, opened boxes of food etc.


It's just that I've never seen it done before.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:03 pm

Meowfoundland wrote:They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?


I used to all the time, it's nice to munch on a pie while shopping.

I didn't always pay either.

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Postby Osoaribbean » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:06 pm

Meowfoundland wrote:
Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Working in retail for three years I can safely tell you people do it all the time. They'll come up with empty wrappers, empty 20oz drinks, opened boxes of food etc.


It's just that I've never seen it done before.

I have seen, and done it myself, many times especially at convenience stores or mini marts. Drink/bag of chips/hot dog specials. You are halfway through the bag of chips and the drink and maybe have finished the hot dog by the time you get to the register to pay for it.

Just need to be careful that you make sure you tell/show the clerk everything that you just noshed.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:08 pm

I'm not even sure munching on a pie during a weekly shop at the supermarket is any worse than downloading an album or more.. frankly given profits at the large stores, I almost felt it my public duty to eat a pie, I should've started a cause..

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Postby Marcurix » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:10 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Meowfoundland wrote:They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?


I used to all the time, it's nice to munch on a pie while shopping.

I didn't always pay either.

I'll go hand myself in.


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Meowfoundland wrote:They should have remembered to pay. It was an overreaction on the store's part, though.

And do people actually eat things from a store before they pay for them?


Yes, one of my earliest memories is me munching on a baguette while going round the store.
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Postby William Walker » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:14 pm

Caninope wrote:
The Floridian Coast wrote:
I believe most citizens' arrest laws are only valid for felonies, and in some cases, only in the case where the safety of others is at risk.

Nonetheless, they cannot be charged with any additional crime for walking out of the store.

Nein. AFAIK, citizen's arrest laws are valid for all felonies (except in NC), and some states have provisions for misdemeanors too. And in walking out the store, she committed the crime.

Dude, pass me what you got going over there. No state allows a citizen's arrest for a misdemeanor that isn't disturbing the peace.

Honestly, it's an intuitive thing. Citizens can't go jumping on every "criminal" that commits one of (literally) dozens of misdemeanors.

"Look, that guy looks to be a bit drunk! Tackle him!" I mean, what could go wrong; right?
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Postby JuNii » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:15 pm

Sad. really. I think the store did over react. I've had people walk out with batteries in their pockets only to come back to pay for it.

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Postby Maroza » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:15 pm

William Walker wrote:
Caninope wrote:Nein. AFAIK, citizen's arrest laws are valid for all felonies (except in NC), and some states have provisions for misdemeanors too. And in walking out the store, she committed the crime.

Dude, pass me what you got going over there. No state allows a citizen's arrest for a misdemeanor that isn't disturbing the peace.

Honestly, it's an intuitive thing. Citizens can't go jumping on every "criminal" that commits one of (literally) dozens of misdemeanors.


Is having sex in public a misdemeanor?
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Postby William Walker » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:16 pm

Maroza wrote:
William Walker wrote:Dude, pass me what you got going over there. No state allows a citizen's arrest for a misdemeanor that isn't disturbing the peace.

Honestly, it's an intuitive thing. Citizens can't go jumping on every "criminal" that commits one of (literally) dozens of misdemeanors.


Is having sex in public a misdemeanor?


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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:17 pm

I'm surprised the store didn't demand the newborn baby in payment.
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Postby Hippy flowergirls » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:23 pm

Being pregnant is incidental to the case, it has no bearing on the crime.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:25 pm

Hippy flowergirls wrote:Being pregnant is incidental to the case, it has no bearing on the crime.


Well, it indicates she's slutty and has loose morals.
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Postby Maroza » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:28 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Hippy flowergirls wrote:Being pregnant is incidental to the case, it has no bearing on the crime.


Well, it indicates she's slutty and has loose morals.


or married and is starting a family
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Postby William Walker » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:30 pm

Maroza wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well, it indicates she's slutty and has loose morals.


or married and is starting a family


But did you see how she chowed down on that sandwich? That whore. Didn't even ask its name.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:30 pm

Maroza wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well, it indicates she's slutty and has loose morals.


or married and is starting a family


I concede that possibility.. >:(
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