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Who Do You Think Is the Greatest Military Mind of All Time?

Postby Volkovgrad » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:52 am

What I mean is, who do you believe was the greatest military commander in terms of reign (length of conquest), intelligence (tactical ability), and notoriety (how much he was feared/respected).
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:56 am

Genghis Khan, I suppose, at least, he conquered quite a bit and was somewhat feared.
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Postby Zanarkenisia » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:58 am

Volkovgrad wrote:What I mean is, who do you believe was the greatest military commander in terms of reign (length of conquest), intelligence (tactical ability), and notoriety (how much he was feared/respected).

Greatest Military has to Carl Von Clausewitz.

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Postby Siorafrica » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:58 am

reign (length of conquest),
Alexander the Great.
intelligence (tactical ability),
Frederick the Great.
and notoriety (how much he was feared/respected).
Genghis Khan.
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Postby The Corparation » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:00 pm

Possibly Alexander the Great, also the Spanish Conquistadors outnumbered by thousands with only a few hundred out most they quashed large empires as big as those in Europe.
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Postby Zanarkenisia » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:02 pm

The Corparation wrote:Possibly Alexander the Great, also the Spanish Conquistadors outnumbered by thousands with only a few hundred out most they quashed large empires as big as those in Europe.

Most of the Indian deatlh was fucking not a intentional design of the Spanish at all.

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Postby Ea90 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:02 pm

Gonsalvo De Cordova

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:03 pm

Zanarkenisia wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Possibly Alexander the Great, also the Spanish Conquistadors outnumbered by thousands with only a few hundred out most they quashed large empires as big as those in Europe.

Most of the Indian deatlh was fucking not a intentional design of the Spanish at all.

But the conquest definitely was. It should be noted that they tended to have tons of Native allies helping them topple those empires.
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Postby Vestr-Norig » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:07 pm

Either it would be
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Harald Hardråde (nearly conquered Britain)
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Either that, or Storm Gard.
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Postby The Corparation » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:08 pm

Zanarkenisia wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Possibly Alexander the Great, also the Spanish Conquistadors outnumbered by thousands with only a few hundred out most they quashed large empires as big as those in Europe.

Most of the Indian deatlh was fucking not a intentional design of the Spanish at all.

The disease didn't help, but they were still out numbered. Had they not played their cars right they could easily of been wiped out.

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Zanarkenisia wrote:Most of the Indian deatlh was fucking not a intentional design of the Spanish at all.

But the conquest definitely was. It should be noted that they tended to have tons of Native allies helping them topple those empires.

Not for the Incas.Pizzaro moved fast and hard during that meet up with Atahualpa was genius. Snatch him up for ransom and scare off his men.
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Postby Zanarkenisia » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:09 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Zanarkenisia wrote:Most of the Indian deatlh was fucking not a intentional design of the Spanish at all.

But the conquest definitely was. It should be noted that they tended to have tons of Native allies helping them topple those empires.

Yeah which was more to do with the fact that the Aztecs were mad assholes than the Spanish, also they thought the Spanish as gods.

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Postby Milograd » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:10 pm

Obviously Storm Gard is the greatest military mind of all time.
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Postby Sidhae » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:13 pm

Several people come to mind:
Sargon I of Akkad (established the first professional army in history)
Sun Tzu (his "Art of War" is still relevant to modern military thought, 2000 years after publishing)
Alexander (self-explanatory)
Hannibal (one of the most brilliant strategists of all times)
Ghenghis Khan (the most successful conqueror of all time)
Hernando Cortez & Francisco Pizarro (conquered vast empires with but a handful of men)
Napoleon Bonaparte (self-explanatory)
Horatio Nelson (master of sail-ship tactics)
Heinz Guderian (laid down the basics of Blitzkrieg)
Ho Shi Minh (proved that asymmetric warfare can be won by the smaller side)
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Postby 5-star Generals » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:14 pm

I think Sun Tzu was.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Probably Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, or Scipio Africanus. Sherman wasn't a great tactician, but a great strategist.
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Postby Britanania » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Bonaparte.

Yes, he may have failed in the end, but he of the 70+ battles he fought, he won over 60, more than Hannibal, Caesar and Alexander combined.

Also, his strategies are still being taught and his opponents only beat him in combat by the skin of their teeth.
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Postby Zanarkenisia » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:15 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Zanarkenisia wrote:Most of the Indian deatlh was fucking not a intentional design of the Spanish at all.

The disease didn't help, but they were still out numbered. Had they not played their cars right they could easily of been wiped out.

Lackadaisical2 wrote:But the conquest definitely was. It should be noted that they tended to have tons of Native allies helping them topple those empires.

Not for the Incas.Pizzaro moved fast and hard during that meet up with Atahualpa was genius. Snatch him up for ransom and scare off his men.

Yeah, and beating a bunch of alienating primitives when yourself is thousands of years ahead in technology, fucking worshipped by some, and lucky enough to have a extremely effective biological wepon is supposed to be a extreme feat? In that case the British conquest of Zululand could be considered one of the greatest military feats of all time, they were vastly outnumbered in most of their battles and didn't have the help of disease or native allies.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:15 pm

Sidhae wrote:Sun Tzu (his "Art of War" is still relevant to modern military thought, 2000 years after publishing)

Sun Tzu is overrated. It's questionable if he even existed, and the Art of War is ridiculously praised simply because it's an early military manual.

De Re Militari and Von Clausewitz's On War are far superior works.
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Postby The Corparation » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:17 pm

Sidhae wrote:Ho Shi Minh (proved that asymmetric warfare can be won by the smaller side)

Ho Chin Min wasn't a military commander he was a politician. The biggest military thing he did was approve the disastrous Tet Offensive.

Britanania wrote:Bonaparte.

Yes, he may have failed in the end, but he of the 70+ battles he fought, he won over 60, more than Hannibal, Caesar and Alexander combined.

Also, his strategies are still being taught and his opponents only beat him in combat by the skin of their teeth.

Source on Him fighting more battles then Caesar and Alexander?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Sidhae wrote:Sun Tzu (his "Art of War" is still relevant to modern military thought, 2000 years after publishing)

Sun Tzu is overrated. It's questionable if he even existed, and the Art of War is ridiculously praised simply because it's an early military manual.

Thank you!

I've read it, and theres nothing amazing about it, most the principles were probably arrived at multiple times in history independent of the book.
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Postby The Corparation » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Socialist States Owen wrote:Obviously Colonel Sanders.

Nonsense, General Mills is a much better commander.
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Postby Zanarkenisia » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Sidhae wrote:Sun Tzu (his "Art of War" is still relevant to modern military thought, 2000 years after publishing)

Sun Tzu is overrated. It's questionable if he even existed, and the Art of War is ridiculously praised simply because it's an early military manual.

De Re Militari and Von Clausewitz's On War are far superior works.

The Art of Wars still ast throughout time since it's fucking skeletal. I've never read Von Krieg so I can't judge on that, but it's easy for your books to last in revelant when when you are vague and basic.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:19 pm

Ugg, Warlord of The Camp Over The Big Hill, No Not That Hill, The Other Hill, Yes That's The One, the first military mind.

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