Engaging in separatist feminism

[Femnipotent]

Very much, though sexism sadly has crept within the left every now and then.

Oh, I'd argue that it's more than 'now and then'.

Edit: I was searching for this article.

[Norstal]

Thinking individuals? I have no problem with judging people. I also have no problem with being judged.

I don't know, CM. I have a feeling that if it were me coming here and saying, "I'm going to see if I can eliminate men from my life as much as possible so I can concentrate on the idea of separatist feminism and see if it works for me," you wouldn't be quite as judgmental.

You wouldn't ignore people just because they're males, would you?

[Demonatrix]

maybe you should try googling for techniques used by strict religious groups. there must be some people out there giving advice for their followers.

Tricky asking the Amish for tips on "shunning" since most of them wont use a computer...

Could ask a Mennonite, since *some* of them use IT, but they tend to be the non shunning kind...

Why are there never any "Bad Amish" around when you need one...

[Conserative Morality]

I don't know, CM. I have a feeling that if it were me coming here and saying, "I'm going to see if I can eliminate men from my life as much as possible so I can concentrate on the idea of separatist feminism and see if it works for me," you wouldn't be quite as judgmental.

I think you underestimate my willingness to viciously judge and argue with people I like. My friends tried starting an argument with me about what constitutes torture one night. I gave no mercy, I ripped apart their arguments and then destroyed the very foundations for the arguments. I had them agree with me and then just as quickly turn that on them to show that their very agreement deconstructed their argument. When I argue/disagree/judge, I don't pull punches.

I'd still have an overall good opinion of you, and I'd still like you, I'd just think that what you're doing is completely idiotic, same as here.

[Farnhamia]

I don't know, CM. I have a feeling that if it were me coming here and saying, "I'm going to see if I can eliminate men from my life as much as possible so I can concentrate on the idea of separatist feminism and see if it works for me," you wouldn't be quite as judgmental.

You wouldn't ignore people just because they're males, would you?

*looks around* I thought I heard someone say something.

I might if I wanted to do an experiment for a few months, which is what Femnipotent is talking about. I might if that were part of the experiment.

[Ashmoria]

so you think that true socialists would be defacto feminists working for gender equality?

Very much, though sexism sadly has crept within the left every now and then.

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its better than it used to be before feminism came along but socialism has been as sexist as captalism is.

[Trotskylvania]

Very much, though sexism sadly has crept within the left every now and then.

Oh, I'd argue that it's more than 'now and then'.

It's not so much that it "crept in", but rather that it was always there to begin with.

I have inadvertently schism-ed more than one socialist group by insisting that feminism and racial issues not be marginalized by the vulgar Marxists and manarchists.

[New Sapienta]

Very much, though sexism sadly has crept within the left every now and then.

Oh, I'd argue that it's more than 'now and then'.

I would like you to please answer my other post, unless you ignored, of course.

[Norstal]

You wouldn't ignore people just because they're males, would you?

*looks around* I thought I heard someone say something.

I might if I wanted to do an experiment for a few months, which is what Femnipotent is talking about. I might if that were part of the experiment.

I should've put males in quotes, as she just ignores anyone who disagrees with her.

[Ashmoria]

i dont think so.

since men are men and women are women they are not exactly the same. the trick is to find a way to see them as people AND as their gender but not foist your own preconceptions onto them.

wicked tricky.

Except she explicitly said she's not here to fix men. Only women. Yet, if men are still subjugated in this patriarchal society, what she wants is to actually free women and subjugate men.

So, although you might be right, I'm saying the OP has a different idea.

well ya know....

it makes sense for women to work on women first. in many ways the movement of women away from the hearth and home has promted change in men.

if men dont want to change--and many really dont--it makes no sense for women to devote themselves to it. if men DO want to change its better to get together with other men who want to change and work on it themselves.

[Conserative Morality]

well ya know....

it makes sense for women to work on women first. in many ways the movement of women away from the hearth and home has promted change in men.

if men dont want to change--and many really dont--it makes no sense for women to devote themselves to it. if men DO want to change its better to get together with other men who want to change and work on it themselves.

Ah, the way some people advocate for the schisming of society along lines of sex/gender.

[Ashmoria]

dont you ever wonder how much of that is really "you" and how much of it is societal programming?

Are the two really so separate?

theres no way to know unless you do that work for yourself.

i assume that it differs from person to person.

[Farnhamia]

*looks around* I thought I heard someone say something.

I might if I wanted to do an experiment for a few months, which is what Femnipotent is talking about. I might if that were part of the experiment.

I should've put males in quotes, as she just ignores anyone who disagrees with her.

If so, that's unfortunate. As much as I've been tempted - believe me, I've been tempted - I've never put anyone on Ignore.

[Femnipotent]

It's not so much that it "crept in", but rather that it was always there to begin with.

Thank you.

I have inadvertently schism-ed more than one socialist group by insisting that feminism and racial issues not be marginalized by the vulgar Marxists and manarchists.

"Manarchists!" LOVE!

[Femnipotent]

well ya know....

it makes sense for women to work on women first. in many ways the movement of women away from the hearth and home has promted change in men.

if men dont want to change--and many really dont--it makes no sense for women to devote themselves to it. if men DO want to change its better to get together with other men who want to change and work on it themselves.

I wonder if I am also damned because I work with battered women and not battered men?

[Conserative Morality]

theres no way to know unless you do that work for yourself.

i assume that it differs from person to person.

I don't see why people separate 'Environmental influences' and 'Genetic influences'. Or rather, separate 'Environmental influences' and 'Self', as if they don't overlap. Who we are is shaped by what is around us in large part. I see no problem in accepting that.

[Norstal]

Except she explicitly said she's not here to fix men. Only women. Yet, if men are still subjugated in this patriarchal society, what she wants is to actually free women and subjugate men.

So, although you might be right, I'm saying the OP has a different idea.

well ya know....

it makes sense for women to work on women first. in many ways the movement of women away from the hearth and home has promted change in men.

if men dont want to change--and many really dont--it makes no sense for women to devote themselves to it. if men DO want to change its better to get together with other men who want to change and work on it themselves.

I don't understand why multitasking is such a foreign concept in this world.

[Farnhamia]

well ya know....

it makes sense for women to work on women first. in many ways the movement of women away from the hearth and home has promted change in men.

if men dont want to change--and many really dont--it makes no sense for women to devote themselves to it. if men DO want to change its better to get together with other men who want to change and work on it themselves.

I wonder if I am also damned because I work with battered women and not battered men?

You have to ask? You should make a list of your faults and then turn yourself in at the nearest re-education center. They have those in Canada, don't they?

[Ashmoria]

I should've put males in quotes, as she just ignores anyone who disagrees with her.

If so, that's unfortunate. As much as I've been tempted - believe me, I've been tempted - I've never put anyone on Ignore.

i have no problem ignoring people without putting them on ignore.

[Demonatrix]

If so, that's unfortunate. As much as I've been tempted - believe me, I've been tempted - I've never put anyone on Ignore.

*nods*

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer..."

How do you know what they are upto if you can't see or hear them...

[Norstal]

You have to ask? You should make a list of your faults and then turn yourself in at the nearest re-education center. They have those in Canada, don't they?

Just a note, I didn't actually damned her or anything. I posed a question, and she puts me on her ignore list for whatever reason.

[Femnipotent]

You have to ask? You should make a list of your faults and then turn yourself in at the nearest re-education center. They have those in Canada, don't they?

Yup. I think they are called Strip Clubs.

So while I was walking today I seriously imagined what it would be like to wear a full body veil like Ashmoria had suggest. Then I passed an older white man and imagined him screaming at me in French about it and dismissed it entirely I wonder if there is some way I could do a similar thing without it being so attention drawing?

[Ashmoria]

well ya know....

it makes sense for women to work on women first. in many ways the movement of women away from the hearth and home has promted change in men.

if men dont want to change--and many really dont--it makes no sense for women to devote themselves to it. if men DO want to change its better to get together with other men who want to change and work on it themselves.

I don't understand why multitasking is such a foreign concept in this world.

i dont even know what thats supposed to mean

is she to be a mother theresa to men, sacrificing the rest of her life to make them better? she is a woman so she works on herself as a woman. she doesnt need to work with every possible downtrodden group in the world. one might suppose she has a whole rest of her life to live outside of her feminist experiments.

[Farnhamia]

You have to ask? You should make a list of your faults and then turn yourself in at the nearest re-education center. They have those in Canada, don't they?

Yup. I think they are called Strip Clubs.

I almost added that. Truly, I did.

[New Sapienta]

Since you seem to to have ignored me femnipotent, I would like someone she hasn't to please tell her of this post, and if not, fine, she decided to ignore me.

To be honest your post are somewhat ignorant. You have basically blocked everyone who has a slightly differing opnion, to the point almost all of the eposters of been ignored. Ihave nothing aginst what you are doing, by why are you using the godanm forum if you don't want people to express their opinon unless it is completely toe-to-toe on line with yours.

Blocking someone who types something like ALL FEMINISTS SUCK is one thing, but blocking someone who wanted to express their opinion is another.

I hope you learn to do better.

Sincerly,
New Sapienta