Engaging in separatist feminism

[Tahar Joblis]

I agree on all points, being male or female.....life's no cakewalk.

No, but being born with tits and a vagina means you have extra special obstacles thrown into your path.

That depends on what you try to do with them. Becoming an elementary school teacher, for example, is made a great deal easier.

[Gauthier]

No, but being born with tits and a vagina means you have extra special obstacles thrown into your path.

That depends on what you try to do with them. Becoming an elementary school teacher, for example, is made a great deal easier.

But that's a patriarchy-assigned role for females damn you!

[Holy Marsh]

I am always thrilled to have men telling women how feminism ought to be defined.

Just as thrilled as when white people tell persons of colour how race ought to be defined.

Ah. Irony lost!

Sexism is sexism, no matter the gender. Racism is racism, no matter the race.

[Ganos Lao]

I am always thrilled to have men telling women how feminism ought to be defined.

Just as thrilled as when white people tell persons of colour how race ought to be defined.

Ah. Irony lost!

And I am always thrilled to have you ignore the women who've told you that your "feminism" is completely skewered. But we're not going to touch on that, are we? Nah, that'd be too difficult for you, my armchair philosopher of a friend, and I do think you probably have more mythical male demons to slay with your keyboard revolutionary skills, so I'll leave you to that.

[Holy Marsh]

I am always thrilled to have men telling women how feminism ought to be defined.

Just as thrilled as when white people tell persons of colour how race ought to be defined.

Ah. Irony lost!

And I am always thrilled to have you ignore the women who've told you that your "feminism" is completely skewered. But we're not going to touch on that, are we? Nah, that'd be too difficult for you, my armchair philosopher of a friend, and I do think you probably have more mythical male demons to slay with your keyboard revolutionary skills, so I'll leave you to that.

She probably has you on Ignore. Take that as a sign that you are right- if she can't argue against you philosophically, she will ignore you.

[RBP]

You'd better ditch your internet connection. Most users are male; oh no!

[Ganos Lao]

I actually think it's an antifeminist, attempting to discredit feminism.

Bit too much effort for too little gain.

I suppose it could be trolling, and if so, it's fairly dedicated and consistent trolling, which is certainly laudable, but it'd also be fairly subtle - the OP is, after all, not about starting a debate, not even a statement, but simply about 'Please give me tips on how to achieve this'.

Trolls are usually far less subtle than that.

If it's a troll, I tip my hat - excellent work. But I've my doubts. God knows, this forum sees even weirder notions and philosophies on a regular basis, without them being trolling.

If it's a troll, it's good at taking the piss out of the insanity of separatist "feminism."

If it's not a troll, then I honestly pity the person and her supporters and think that if they want their damned separation so much, that they should not even bother to use hospitals or the police or fire departments or schools or anything. There are men in those places and we don't want that.

[Gauthier]

I am always thrilled to have men telling women how feminism ought to be defined.

Just as thrilled as when white people tell persons of colour how race ought to be defined.

Ah. Irony lost!

And I am always thrilled to have you ignore the women who've told you that your "feminism" is completely skewered. But we're not going to touch on that, are we? Nah, that'd be too difficult for you, my armchair philosopher of a friend, and I do think you probably have more mythical male demons to slay with your keyboard revolutionary skills, so I'll leave you to that.

People like her make it harder to completely dismiss bloviating rants from jackasses like Limblob.

[Ashmoria]

not to go too far into something that i cant truly know much about but...havent you ever read books or essays by african americans who went to africa and found out something about themselves that they couldnt really know as a black person in a white country?

No. I expect them to be no more relevant than someone who goes to Europe and suddenly finds out more about how white they are.

you didnt think about that for one moment did you.6

[Femnipotent]

You'd better ditch your internet connection. Most users are male; oh no!

No, I'll just put the hostile ones, the ones who make shit up, who mansplain and who strawfeminist on ignore.

The last page only has about three viewable posts on it. Quite nice.

[Alaje]

I agree on all points, being male or female.....life's no cakewalk.

No, but being born with tits and a vagina means you have extra special obstacles thrown into your path.

I could say the same about having a penis and testicles.

[Motuka]

Why do I have this silly notion that OP is Neesika?

There are a few similarities. If it is her, it seems like she's attempting to explore this philosophy on a serious level, though -- it's not exactly HerPower again.

Fuck race identity. Fuck it. I'll accept no such nonsense.

I share this sentiment, being multi-ethnic I embrace many aspects of my different cultural heritages as well as enjoy experimentation into others.

Anyone who feels they can share this sentiment -- congratulations! You've been privileged by an accident of birth.

People who are widely or primarily defined by their race/gender/social class/etc can't easily say "fuck it, I refuse to buy into this" simply because they have internalised much of what they've been raised with. Hence why the idea of separating themselves from the privileged groups might appeal to them.

[Holy Marsh]

No, but being born with tits and a vagina means you have extra special obstacles thrown into your path.

I could say the same about having a penis and testicles.

Now that you disagree with her, prepare for the doom of ignore, her only response!

[Ashmoria]

Why do I have this silly notion that OP is Neesika?

i kinda assumed that but she wouldnt have been so reasonable over time as femni is being.

[Femnipotent]

I could say the same about having a penis and testicles.

As I would expect you to at this point.

Have we reached the point yet where we are all convinced that men, white men in particular, are the most downtrodden and oppressed group on earth, or are we still building up to it?

[Conserative Morality]

Anyone who feels they can share this sentiment -- congratulations! You've been privileged by an accident of birth.

People who are widely or primarily defined by their race/gender/social class/etc can't easily say "fuck it, I refuse to buy into this" simply because they have internalised much of what they've been raised with. Hence why the idea of separating themselves from the privileged groups might appeal to them.

If they want to abandon society, let them run like the cowards they are. Let them be forgotten by history while people who try to change society are remembered and praised.

[Nazis in Space]

I am always thrilled to have men telling women how feminism ought to be defined.

I define feminism as society's collective struggle to implement John Norman's ideals as closely as possible.

[Ganos Lao]

And I am always thrilled to have you ignore the women who've told you that your "feminism" is completely skewered. But we're not going to touch on that, are we? Nah, that'd be too difficult for you, my armchair philosopher of a friend, and I do think you probably have more mythical male demons to slay with your keyboard revolutionary skills, so I'll leave you to that.

She probably has you on Ignore. Take that as a sign that you are right- if she can't argue against you philosophically, she will ignore you.

I'm more intrigued by her supporters than her "arguments," Marsh. Just the idea of seeing people support such ideas and then calling people who listen to the media stupid? Ah, irony lost!

But this is the internet. Can't say I'm too surprised.

[The Emerald Legion]

I agree on all points, being male or female.....life's no cakewalk.

No, but being born with tits and a vagina means you have extra special obstacles thrown into your path.

And being born without them means you have different extra special obstacles.

Now you can try to complain about who's obstacles are worse.

Or you can become a Lunatic, cyborg wannabe, and try to annihilate nature.

So do you want to be right? Or Happy?

Because everyone knows that lifes not fair, because fair rhymes with air, and you need air to live, so you spend all your money on air and get no fair.

But if you were to spend your money on fairness, first of all you'd asphyxiate, but second fairness is treating everyone the same. And to treat everyone the same would be to treat people like carrots.

And that's cannabalism. Which is frowned on for obvious reasons.

*Nods wisely*

[Soheran]

There's a bit of a difference between a 'Safe Space' in the form of a sex/ ethnicity/ whatever-exclusive club that you spend a weekend a month in for giggles with that particular subset of your peer group, and choosing complete isolation for months - or maybe, potentially permanently -, don't you think?

Sure. And people with different needs and different experiences are going to make different choices about how far to go. Unless they involve actually oppressing or harming other people, I don't object to them.

[Tekania]

Just as thrilled as when white people tell persons of colour how race ought to be defined.

So, someone of a race isn't allowed to tell someone else of a race how to define pretty meaningless and fairly artificial racial constructs?

Racial identity is absurd because racial identity is absurd, there is no such thing as "racial identity" I could care less if the subject was being raised by a black man, or a member of the Aryan Brotherhood... There are certainly culutural/ethnic identities, but there is no "racial identity".

[Femnipotent]

There are a few similarities. If it is her, it seems like she's attempting to explore this philosophy on a serious level, though -- it's not exactly HerPower again.

I'd ask but I assume this is another 'you're trolling' thing.

Anyone who feels they can share this sentiment -- congratulations! You've been privileged by an accident of birth.

People who are widely or primarily defined by their race/gender/social class/etc can't easily say "fuck it, I refuse to buy into this" simply because they have internalised much of what they've been raised with. Hence why the idea of separating themselves from the privileged groups might appeal to them.

Exactly. You can do a lot of work to overcome external pressures and stereotypes, but the internal work is the hardest.

I feel like I expend a massive amount of energy trying to address gender inequality and to 'convince' people and 'explain' and 'justify' and then I have no energy left for me. I have done a lot of that work expected of me, but I'm here for me too and this is one way I think I can shore up my resources and put them to better work for my own well-being for once.

That this threatens and angers some is clear, but no matter what I did people have always been threatened and angered so...

[Holy Marsh]

There are a few similarities. If it is her, it seems like she's attempting to explore this philosophy on a serious level, though -- it's not exactly HerPower again.

I'd ask but I assume this is another 'you're trolling' thing.

Anyone who feels they can share this sentiment -- congratulations! You've been privileged by an accident of birth.

People who are widely or primarily defined by their race/gender/social class/etc can't easily say "fuck it, I refuse to buy into this" simply because they have internalised much of what they've been raised with. Hence why the idea of separating themselves from the privileged groups might appeal to them.

Exactly. You can do a lot of work to overcome external pressures and stereotypes, but the internal work is the hardest.

I know you have me on ignore but perhaps your supporters may answer this-
Why does this internal work require you to exist in a sexist lifestyle for a long period of time?

[Soheran]

Excuse me for believing in solidarity and teamwork in rectifying the situation at hand rather than just ditching it and refusing to deal with the cards you were dealt.

Excuse me for doubting the sincerity of people whose notion of "solidarity" appears to be telling other people what to do.

[The Deleted Chris]

I am always thrilled to have men telling women how feminism ought to be defined.

Just as thrilled as when white people tell persons of colour how race ought to be defined.

Ah. Irony lost!

And yet you and yours routinely define anything "white and male" as the fons et origo of everything you despise.