So people should just stop?
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by New Sapienta » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:00 pm
by Chumblywumbly » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:01 pm
Four-sided Triangles wrote:It really doesn't. Someone enjoying something is insufficient justification.
by Motuka » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:01 pm
Four-sided Triangles wrote:Motuka wrote:It requires that free will be false.
I've found that whenever people start making arguments that require the negation of free will I sort of tune out. That debate's a festering pit of logical fallacies (mostly, affirming the consequent).
How is it a fallacy to reject free will?
by Four-sided Triangles » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:01 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Sorry, really?
by Norstal » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:01 pm
Femnipotent wrote:Norstal wrote:Depends on what you view as feminist or masculinist. If you explained this earlier, sorry I don't have the heart to trawl back the 11 pages of the thread.
I would try just living in a women's shelter. Those are usually free, I think. Does the 6 months have to be continuous? If not, you can rent out an RV for one month and live somewhere isolated, then do it again once you have the money.
I don't need to live in one, I work at one, but a woman's shelter is not actually the best place to deconstruct gender roles as the women there are just struggling to survive and don't have the luxury of such intellectual explorations yet.
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by Four-sided Triangles » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:02 pm
New Sapienta wrote:So people should just stop?
by Femnipotent » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:03 pm
Hydesland wrote:
So anyone who presents something (very thoroughly well sourced and argued by the way) that differs from your fundamental preconceptions is to be ignored? You want this whole thread to just be a circle jerk?
by Trotskylvania » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:03 pm
Femnipotent wrote:
Thanks for asking, I did not want to make the first post a huge, rambling novel that absolutely no one would read.
I want to be as physically removed from men and male influence as possible. However, I live in a large city and do not have the means to actually truly physically isolate myself, so I have to find other means.
There is a very large Orthodox Jewish community here and while they live among non-Jews, they manage to 'avoid' them very well. Orthodox Jewish men are not allowed, for example, to speak to or even look at non-Jewish women. So when you walk by them on the street, they merely ignore your presence. I have no doubt that after a lifetime of practice, they literally do not even take note of your presence anymore. This is one skill I wish to cultivate to help me when I am outside my home and unable to physically avoid men.
My job is fine, because I work only with women and female clients, so that is a good space for me.
To further avoid male influence, I have already given my television to a friend and I do not consume print media anyway so that should be easy.
I am looking now for more suggestions as to how I can accomplish this.
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Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by New Sapienta » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:03 pm
by The Deleted Chris » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:03 pm
by Demonatrix » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:04 pm
by Motuka » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:05 pm
by The Emerald Legion » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:05 pm
by Four-sided Triangles » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:06 pm
New Sapienta wrote:What happens when the population starts to decline?
by Chumblywumbly » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:06 pm
Four-sided Triangles wrote:Without free will, which is basically philosophically impossible, there is no consent, so all sex is non-consensual.
by Nazis in Space » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:07 pm
Providing highly specific fringe-examples when you're making a universal claim isn't going to cut it, I'm afraid. And that's not even touching the issue of missrepresenting what I wrote - mutual enjoyment - and implying that I meant something that amounts to 'Right of the strongest'.
by Trotskylvania » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:07 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Norstal » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:07 pm
Toronto Sun wrote:Best poster ever. ★★★★★
New York Times wrote:No one can beat him in debates. 5/5.
IGN wrote:Literally the best game I've ever played. 10/10
NSG Public wrote:What a fucking douchebag.
by Norstal » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:08 pm
Toronto Sun wrote:Best poster ever. ★★★★★
New York Times wrote:No one can beat him in debates. 5/5.
IGN wrote:Literally the best game I've ever played. 10/10
NSG Public wrote:What a fucking douchebag.
by Four-sided Triangles » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:09 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:You are way too smart to be seriously taking the position that the absence of free will implies the absence of choice.
by Four-sided Triangles » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:09 pm
by New Sapienta » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:09 pm
by Femnipotent » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:10 pm
Ashmoria wrote:
did you read what i wrote.
she will still relate to them as men using her own societal programming. she is trying to get away from that to see what she is/how she would behave in a situation where there are no men to worry about in any way including her own ways.
its 6 months, not forever. she isnt going to set up a quebecois matriarchy.
by Motuka » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:10 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:... Look your troll thread got shot down by mods three times.
Your response? Hijack another.
We are having an interesting argument here... So shush.
Femnipotent wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
did you read what i wrote.
she will still relate to them as men using her own societal programming. she is trying to get away from that to see what she is/how she would behave in a situation where there are no men to worry about in any way including her own ways.
its 6 months, not forever. she isnt going to set up a quebecois matriarchy.
So before I get sidetracked trying to catch up, I went shopping and attempted to use that 'filter' that I imagine Orthodox Jewish men using, you know except I was trying to use it on me.
Okay that was extremely difficult. First of all I found myself being hyper aware of every man that I walked by. I realised just how many I was surrounded by. That was awkward, so I focused first on the ground, then when that didn't work I looked to the side when I passed, and when that didn't work I tried to shift my attention to the women around me instead. At which point I became hyper aware of the way those women were dressed.
Our market is very small and cramped so avoiding men was not really an option. Going to have to figure out how to filter better. It was nerve-wracking.
by Four-sided Triangles » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:11 pm
Motuka wrote:Mods are self-important dicks, and it's a slightly interesting argument anyway. But, I admit, not as interesting as this one.
So yeah, back on the wagon with me. Sorry, UT.
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