May 16, 1986 Machine Gun Owner's Protection Act

[Occupied Deutschland]

Machine gun owner's protection?

Isn't that what the gun's for?

Hear hear!

[The Murtunian Tribes]

The May 1986 FOPA was a debate that outlawed the personal ownership of Full-automatic weapons manufactured in may 16 1986 or later, meaning civiliance CANNOT own automatic weapons after that time, in my opinion, I think the law should be abolished, theres going to be people that'll get their hands on any kind of weapon, the pre-86 weapons are extremely expensive, one ak47 can cost you $20,000 plus $200 transfer tax when you can just go to war torn somalia or any place like that and get one for just $100 from a terrorist ,and the price gets higher each time its purchased and transfered. Its rediculous! Its like there giving criminals more rights than the law abiding citizens! Anyways whats your view of the ban,hould it be abolished, or should it be as it is, or should we have even stricter gun laws?

As much as would like to agree with you, I can't on the basis that you appear to be completely incapable of making a rational argument.

[Greed and Death]

Because the final protection of a people in a free society is the people's ability to overthrow the government.
If the need so arises the people need to be armed in a manner to give reasonably equal footing against a military equipped infantry member.

Automatic weapons are what made it possible for the victories in Libya and Egypt that have paved the way for Democracy in the mid east.
Society benefits by having this final protection against tyranny far more then a few crimes ever harms it.

The only thing libya prooves is that a rebellion has a better chance of succeeding if some outside power comes in and helps it. Were it not for nato, the libyan rebels would have been gunned down by government helicopters and tanks. They were able to fair much better once nato had cleared those obstacles and given time for the rebels to organize and start mounting a serious offensive with better trained troops.

As for egypt, well they seemed to have overthrown their government with a minimal amount of violance.
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And they look to be overthrowing it again because the military tried to Co-op their democracy.

[United Dependencies]

And they look to be overthrowing it again because the military tried to Co-op their democracy.

I don't see them running out the current government by force by themselves.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The only possible reason for owning an automatic weapon is to shoot it at a range

That isn't true. Full auto/select fire weapons are great investments as well, since there are a finite amount of such transferable weapons.

Sorry you don't get to go shoot off whatever you want down at the range but there is a larger population out there who also need their intrest looked out for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

Apparently, you can shoot off whatever you want to at the range, from machine pistols to mini-guns.

[Biop]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

How many of those things can kill dozens of people in a few minutes?

*points to 500,000$ sports car* i bet on a good crouded day you could get hundreds, and with a Full auto, not so much, probably firing a 5.56 round, its a small round,, and teh chances of killing someone are very low

[Biop]

The only possible reason for owning an automatic weapon is to shoot it at a range

That isn't true. Full auto/select fire weapons are great investments as well, since there are a finite amount of such transferable weapons.

Sorry you don't get to go shoot off whatever you want down at the range but there is a larger population out there who also need their intrest looked out for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

Apparently, you can shoot off whatever you want to at the range, from machine pistols to mini-guns.

Dont you just love anti gun folks?

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm.

My granddad supposedly had his old Sten somewhere. Maybe I should get it?

[United Dependencies]

The only possible reason for owning an automatic weapon is to shoot it at a range

That isn't true. Full auto/select fire weapons are great investments as well, since there are a finite amount of such transferable weapons.

Ok, it's a reason other than the one I posted. This gives the average joe two minute minor reasons to own automatic weapons.

Sorry you don't get to go shoot off whatever you want down at the range but there is a larger population out there who also need their intrest looked out for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

Apparently, you can shoot off whatever you want to at the range, from machine pistols to mini-guns.

That sounds like a cool event. It also has nothing to do with allowing people to own automatic rifles. Actually when you get right down to it, this should satisfy gun enthusiast whilst still allowing us to prohibit ownership.

Dont you just love anti gun folks?

Don't you just love false dichotomies?

[L3 Communications]

That isn't true. Full auto/select fire weapons are great investments as well, since there are a finite amount of such transferable weapons.

Ok, it's a reason other than the one I posted. This gives the average joe two minute minor reasons to own automatic weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

Apparently, you can shoot off whatever you want to at the range, from machine pistols to mini-guns.

That sounds like a cool event. It also has nothing to do with allowing people to own automatic rifles. Actually when you get right down to it, this should satisfy gun enthusiast whilst still allowing us to prohibit ownership.

Dont you just love anti gun folks?

Don't you just love false dichotomies?

1) An investment is not "minor" at all. Especially not a rifle that appreciates in value several thousand dollars per decade.
2) Prohibit gun ownership and I hope that America still has enough sense to burn the Capitol to the ground.
3) Look at your second sentence. See where it says "prohibit". Hardly false.

[United Dependencies]

1) An investment is not "minor" at all. Especially not a rifle that appreciates in value several thousand dollars per decade.
2) Prohibit gun ownership and I hope that America still has enough sense to burn the Capitol to the ground.
3)look at your second sentence. See where it says "prohibit". Hardly false.

1)It's basically something you or your heirs can sell down the road(which is true of many things). That does not in any way outweigh other concerns. In fact, the whole crux of the argument that people continue to not address is what possible reason is there for allowing future criminals access to guns that are cheaper and more reliable than their current stock. I can say with some certainty that being able to shoot whatever you want at some range and being able to invest in guns do not really outweigh the cost.
2)If such legislation passes it will be because the majority of Americans wanted it to do so.
3)This is ridiculous, I have never claimed to desire an outright ban on guns. I myself own a hunting rifle and a shotgun. All I'm asking for are limitations on weapons that serve no immediate purpose outside of killing a large number of people very quickly as well as some regulations to make sure we sell guns to those who will use them in a safe and legal manner.

My final statement is my frustration that, once again, I have been lumped with people who wish to ban guns outright.f

[Senestrum]

The amusing thing about people who are against the private ownership of fully automatic firearms is that they are incapable of providing a rational reason why they should be banned. There's really no real reason to ban automatic firearms for civilians; rapid-fire capability is actually a bad thing for criminals because it wastes an unnecessary amount of ammo. Semi-automatics are infinitely preferable for nearly every possible use (including practically all criminal uses) since they force the user to think about each shot, vastly increasing the effectiveness of a magazine's worth of ammo.

Clearly, any firearm which is not fully automatic should be banned for civilian use.

[Biop]

That isn't true. Full auto/select fire weapons are great investments as well, since there are a finite amount of such transferable weapons.

Ok, it's a reason other than the one I posted. This gives the average joe two minute minor reasons to own automatic weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

Apparently, you can shoot off whatever you want to at the range, from machine pistols to mini-guns.

That sounds like a cool event. It also has nothing to do with allowing people to own automatic rifles. Actually when you get right down to it, this should satisfy gun enthusiast whilst still allowing us to prohibit ownership.

Dont you just love anti gun folks?

Don't you just love false dichotomies?

If only i knew what the hell that was

[Biop]

The amusing thing about people who are against the private ownership of fully automatic firearms is that they are incapable of providing a rational reason why they should be banned. There's really no real reason to ban automatic firearms for civilians; rapid-fire capability is actually a bad thing for criminals because it wastes an unnecessary amount of ammo. Semi-automatics are infinitely preferable for nearly every possible use (including practically all criminal uses) since they force the user to think about each shot, vastly increasing the effectiveness of a magazine's worth of ammo.

Clearly, any firearm which is not fully automatic should be banned for civilian use.

Ok i have to say, Thats just as bad. Go hunting with a M16 (Gah shitty gun) on Full auto and tell me how it turns out

[Malgrave]

What is the purpose of this thread? I'd rather have the police cracking down harder on illegal firearms. I also assume the OP is American. I am rather thankful that the United Kingdom don't base it's gun laws on an old piece of paper.

[Cromarty]

one ak47 can cost you $20,000

If you're paying $20,000 for an AK47, you don't deserve guns nor money.

[Biop]

one ak47 can cost you $20,000

If you're paying $20,000 for an AK47, you don't deserve guns nor money.

If you can afford a 20,000 Soviet relic you deserve your guns and not your money, GIVE ME IT!

[Vetok]

If you're paying $20,000 for an AK47, you don't deserve guns nor money.

If you can afford a 20,000 Soviet relic you deserve your guns and not your money, GIVE ME IT!

No AK-47 costs $20,000. If it does, you've just been ripped off and conned into buying a Type-56.

My guess is "to look cool" in front of their friends, who are equally bad marksmen.

Yes its an-ak47 its chrome-plated and it has the smooth dust cover unlike the AKM whick its ribbed and my ak's sights are set to 800m max unlike 1000m for the akm.

And as for you...the effective range on one of those is 400 metres on semi-automatic, 300 metres on full-auto.

[Biop]

If you can afford a 20,000 Soviet relic you deserve your guns and not your money, GIVE ME IT!

No AK-47 costs $20,000. If it does, you've just been ripped off and conned into buying a Type-56.

Yes its an-ak47 its chrome-plated and it has the smooth dust cover unlike the AKM whick its ribbed and my ak's sights are set to 800m max unlike 1000m for the akm.

And as for you...the effective range on one of those is 400 metres on semi-automatic, 300 metres on full-auto.

I wouldnt say No. Cause ive seen people go bat shit insane and litterly Pimp out them.

[Vetok]

No AK-47 costs $20,000. If it does, you've just been ripped off and conned into buying a Type-56.



And as for you...the effective range on one of those is 400 metres on semi-automatic, 300 metres on full-auto.

I wouldnt say No. Cause ive seen people go bat shit insane and litterly Pimp out them.

Okay, why don't you take a pic and show it to us? That way the very knowledgeable people here can help you decide whether you've been ripped off or not?

[Unsolicited Hypocrites]

The amusing thing about people who are against the private ownership of fully automatic firearms is that they are incapable of providing a rational reason why they should be banned. There's really no real reason to ban automatic firearms for civilians; rapid-fire capability is actually a bad thing for criminals because it wastes an unnecessary amount of ammo. Semi-automatics are infinitely preferable for nearly every possible use (including practically all criminal uses) since they force the user to think about each shot, vastly increasing the effectiveness of a magazine's worth of ammo.

Clearly, any firearm which is not fully automatic should be banned for civilian use.

automatic weapons are scarier. if you hold up a place with a .38 then someone might try to be heroic and grab it from you or the guy might just not give you the money if it's privately owned. with a machine gun the game is changed. an automatic weapon sends the message that you are very very very prepared to kill someone. that you probably have killed someone before. that you're enough of a career criminal that you know the people who can get you those things. that your dangerous occupation has made you enough money to afford one. and machine guns are the perfect drive by weapon. if you want to kill a lot of people up close real fast then a machine gun is the way to go. no one is going to run away from you if you have a machine gun trained on them

[Gun Manufacturers]

That isn't true. Full auto/select fire weapons are great investments as well, since there are a finite amount of such transferable weapons.

Ok, it's a reason other than the one I posted. This gives the average joe two minute minor reasons to own automatic weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

Apparently, you can shoot off whatever you want to at the range, from machine pistols to mini-guns.

That sounds like a cool event. It also has nothing to do with allowing people to own automatic rifles. Actually when you get right down to it, this should satisfy gun enthusiast whilst still allowing us to prohibit ownership.

Dont you just love anti gun folks?

Don't you just love false dichotomies?

Actually, that event and others like it, have plenty to do with civilian ownership of full auto/select fire weapons. Who do you think owns those weapons? Shoots like that are a great place to buy/sell/trade/try out such weapons/accessories.

The people that lawfully own full auto/select fire weapons don't use them in crimes, there's no reason to ban them.

[Ovisterra]

"People have dangerous, illegal machine guns, therefore we need less gun regulation" is what you're trying to say?

Am I the only one who thinks this is a bad idea? Meh. I'm very pro-gun restriction. "People kill people, but people with guns kill more people, more quickly, and more efficiently" is how I roll.

[Unsolicited Hypocrites]

Ok, it's a reason other than the one I posted. This gives the average joe two minute minor reasons to own automatic weapons.

That sounds like a cool event. It also has nothing to do with allowing people to own automatic rifles. Actually when you get right down to it, this should satisfy gun enthusiast whilst still allowing us to prohibit ownership.


Don't you just love false dichotomies?

Actually, that event and others like it, have plenty to do with civilian ownership of full auto/select fire weapons. Who do you think owns those weapons? Shoots like that are a great place to buy/sell/trade/try out such weapons/accessories.

The people that lawfully own full auto/select fire weapons don't use them in crimes, there's no reason to ban them.

yeah I don't think any criminal with brain enough to fill a fingerbowl would use a legally bought gun in a crime. most criminals probably aren't allowed to get them anyway

[Biop]

I wouldnt say No. Cause ive seen people go bat shit insane and litterly Pimp out them.

Okay, why don't you take a pic and show it to us? That way the very knowledgeable people here can help you decide whether you've been ripped off or not?

nd you think im rich and dumb enough to buy a chromed and plated AK-47? Give me 25K and i gladely will