May 16, 1986 Machine Gun Owner's Protection Act

[GreaterPacificNations]

Fuck it, I say. I don't see why this law was even passed. Fully automatic weapons didn't cause problems when they were legal.

I don't see that they'd be that useful to criminals anyhow. Assault rifles and the like are optimised for mass killing and suppression fire. Criminals don't need this. They need something small and indistinct, yet still intimidating and dangerous. Taking an AK47 to a bank robbery would be like having a lambourghini as your getaway car; sure it's faster, but really a white panel van is more discreet.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

Fuck it, I say. I don't see why this law was even passed. Fully automatic weapons didn't cause problems when they were legal.

I don't see that they'd be that useful to criminals anyhow. Assault rifles and the like are optimised for mass killing and suppression fire. Criminals don't need this. They need something small and indistinct, yet still intimidating and dangerous. Taking an AK47 to a bank robbery would be like having a lambourghini as your getaway car; sure it's faster, but really a white panel van is more discreet.

Actually with full automatic, you're more likely to miss your target than hit it.

Unless you're using a .22 Remington or something.

[GreaterPacificNations]

Fuck it, I say. I don't see why this law was even passed. Fully automatic weapons didn't cause problems when they were legal.

I don't see that they'd be that useful to criminals anyhow. Assault rifles and the like are optimised for mass killing and suppression fire. Criminals don't need this. They need something small and indistinct, yet still intimidating and dangerous. Taking an AK47 to a bank robbery would be like having a lambourghini as your getaway car; sure it's faster, but really a white panel van is more discreet.

Actually with full automatic, you're more likely to miss your target than hit it.

Unless you're using a .22 Remington or something.

Thus supression fire. They aren't useless for killing though, if used properly. Ah, we have another reason they aren't really superb choices for criminals, they require training to use well.

[Chernoslavia]

:palm: Wow for real? You need to look at statistics. Places with tougher gun control laws have lower violent crime rates.

You think criminals care about the law? If you do the math, you would see that places with tougher gun laws have high crime rates, i.e... lets say we ban all semi-autos, and handguns. That means the average law abiding citizen wont have a firearm, because they cant have handguns, and sice they cant have handguns they can atleast get a bolt action rifle/ pump action shotgun, and obviously you cant just carry a long rifle out in public, so the criminal is almost guaranteed to succeed in robbing somebody atleast at knifepoint, but criminals will carry guns regardless of the law. again, do the math.

[Avenio]

If you do the math, you would see that places with tougher gun laws have high crime rates,

Nope. Not really.

[Chernoslavia]

If you do the math, you would see that places with tougher gun laws have high crime rates,

Nope. Not really.

What country are you even talking about?

[Biop]

WOW! this is still kicking? I Still hold to my ideals. Auto weapons should be legal, Why? More tax's from Ammo sellers, and hell, who dosent want a Full auto for the hell of it?

[Chernoslavia]

If you do the math, you would see that places with tougher gun laws have high crime rates,

Nope. Not really.

And note that your only looking up on gun crimes in general, you probrably think that most gun crime is done by legally owned firearms, and ive said it a hundred times and ill say it again: Criminals DONT care about the LAW they get weapons illegally, you can ban every gun flat-out, you can have the law-abiding citizens turn in all guns and ammo to the police. And have the guns destroyed. Your only hurting innocent people and giving high demands for arms smuggling, and raising crime rate. If guns are banned gun runners will make more money selling weapons since theyre outlawed and since theyre outlawed then only outlaws will have them.

[Chernoslavia]

WOW! this is still kicking? I Still hold to my ideals. Auto weapons should be legal, Why? More tax's from Ammo sellers, and hell, who dosent want a Full auto for the hell of it?

Because politicians think that everyone is protected by armed bodyguards like themselves, they think the average citizen can afford a bodyguard. Either that or theyre just trying to ban gun little by little one small step at a time so when all guns are finally banned, they can rise to power and drive the country in another nazi germany

[Biop]

WOW! this is still kicking? I Still hold to my ideals. Auto weapons should be legal, Why? More tax's from Ammo sellers, and hell, who dosent want a Full auto for the hell of it?

Because politicians think that everyone is protected by armed bodyguards like themselves, they think the average citizen can afford a bodyguard. Either that or theyre just trying to ban gun little by little one small step at a time so when all guns are finally banned, they can rise to power and drive the country in another nazi germany

Da and when they try that All gun owners with passion ( Like me) Will rise up and fight for our rights to own guns (You have no idea how hard it was not to say PARTY!)

[Biop]

Nope. Not really.

And note that your only looking up on gun crimes in general, you probrably think that most gun crime is done by legally owned firearms, and ive said it a hundred times and ill say it again: Criminals DONT care about the LAW they get weapons illegally, you can ban every gun flat-out, you can have the law-abiding citizens turn in all guns and ammo to the police. And have the guns destroyed. Your only hurting innocent people and giving high demands for arms smuggling, and raising crime rate. If guns are banned gun runners will make more money selling weapons since theyre outlawed and since theyre outlawed then only outlaws will have them.

But...But THATS Agenst the law! XD O God thats their best argument dont you agree?

[Chernoslavia]

And note that your only looking up on gun crimes in general, you probrably think that most gun crime is done by legally owned firearms, and ive said it a hundred times and ill say it again: Criminals DONT care about the LAW they get weapons illegally, you can ban every gun flat-out, you can have the law-abiding citizens turn in all guns and ammo to the police. And have the guns destroyed. Your only hurting innocent people and giving high demands for arms smuggling, and raising crime rate. If guns are banned gun runners will make more money selling weapons since theyre outlawed and since theyre outlawed then only outlaws will have them.

But...But THATS Agenst the law! XD O God thats their best argument dont you agree?

yeah, and I wonder if anti-gun people even know math. If you ban guns people WILL die. How do they think nations have armed forces? The same reason why we have the right to bear arms. To protect ourselves.

[Biop]

But...But THATS Agenst the law! XD O God thats their best argument dont you agree?

yeah, and I wonder if anti-gun people even know math. If you ban guns people WILL die. How do they think nations have armed forces? The same reason why we have the right to bear arms. To protect ourselves.

And for hunting, And for fun, Hell if i hadn't had some targets or stuff to destroy at range, i would of flipped shit Long ago

[SD_Film Artists]

Have you never played GTA?

Reality check is needed in isal 3

And in the OP. Are rural pests so numerous and organised now that farmers have to send 500 rounds down the field?

[North Calaveras]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

[Biop]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

Like that 500,000$ Sports car you drove to the Anti Guns assembly right?

[North Calaveras]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

Like that 500,000$ Sports car you drove to the Anti Guns assembly right?

exactly ^

[United Dependencies]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

What possible reason would your average person need for a device designed with the intent of putting a large amount of metal through a large number of people. You can defend your home with a pistol or a shotgun. The only possible reason for owning an automatic weapon is to shoot it at a range. Sorry you don't get to go shoot off whatever you want down at the range but there is a larger population out there who also need their intrest looked out for.

On that same note: I love people who go "when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns"
Yes they will still get guns, but you know what?

They will most likely get guns that are:
1)less reliable(no quality control)
2)more expensive(organizations will have monopolies on illegal guns in specific areas)
3)Able to serve as evidence that they are up to something illegal.

So why is it in anyone's best interest to allow people, who we already know are determined to aquire a weapon for their illicit purposes, to more easily aquire a gun that would be of a higher quality?

[Avenio]

And note that your only looking up on gun crimes in general,

You didn't look at the second link.

[Augustus Este]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

How many of those things can kill dozens of people in a few minutes?

[Greed and Death]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

What possible reason would your average person need for a device designed with the intent of putting a large amount of metal through a large number of people. You can defend your home with a pistol or a shotgun. The only possible reason for owning an automatic weapon is to shoot it at a range. Sorry you don't get to go shoot off whatever you want down at the range but there is a larger population out there who also need their intrest looked out for.

On that same note: I love people who go "when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns"
Yes they will still get guns, but you know what?

They will most likely get guns that are:
1)less reliable(no quality control)
2)more expensive(organizations will have monopolies on illegal guns in specific areas)
3)Able to serve as evidence that they are up to something illegal.

So why is it in anyone's best interest to allow people, who we already know are determined to aquire a weapon for their illicit purposes, to more easily aquire a gun that would be of a higher quality?

Because the final protection of a people in a free society is the people's ability to overthrow the government.
If the need so arises the people need to be armed in a manner to give reasonably equal footing against a military equipped infantry member.

Automatic weapons are what made it possible for the victories in Libya and Egypt that have paved the way for Democracy in the mid east.
Society benefits by having this final protection against tyranny far more then a few crimes ever harms it.

[Greed and Death]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

How many of those things can kill dozens of people in a few minutes?

Off the top of my head Cars and Planes.

[Occupied Deutschland]

i love people who go " You don't need that!"

What kind of excuse is that? We don't NEED a lot of things yet we still buy them.

How many of those things can kill dozens of people in a few minutes?

Planes, Cars, Semi-automatic weapons, bolt-action weapons, knives, propane, gasoline, welders, boilers, fertilizer, detcord, gunpowder, lye, compressed gases of almost any kind, and basically anything else used and invented by humanity since the dawn of civilization.

Edit: The underlines

[United Dependencies]

Because the final protection of a people in a free society is the people's ability to overthrow the government.
If the need so arises the people need to be armed in a manner to give reasonably equal footing against a military equipped infantry member.

Automatic weapons are what made it possible for the victories in Libya and Egypt that have paved the way for Democracy in the mid east.
Society benefits by having this final protection against tyranny far more then a few crimes ever harms it.

The only thing libya prooves is that a rebellion has a better chance of succeeding if some outside power comes in and helps it. Were it not for nato, the libyan rebels would have been gunned down by government helicopters and tanks. They were able to fair much better once nato had cleared those obstacles and given time for the rebels to organize and start mounting a serious offensive with better trained troops.

As for egypt, well they seemed to have overthrown their government with a minimal amount of violance.

As for the US or other western nations, I assume that your stint in law school has informed you about the various means by which the government is prevented from becoming tyrannical. Ways that are peaceful by and large.

[Knoxcrest]

Machine gun owner's protection?

Isn't that what the gun's for?