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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:00 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:I hear it's quite good but I haven't seen it. I have seen some criticism of it, just out of the corner of my eye, something about "Yeah, right, wearing all that crap in the heat of the Iraqi desert" from someone who served there. But like I say, just in passing.

You served, Thansk man, I Mean it, I May have no end of disdane for cops, But You guys are my heros, And they are talking about the Blaster suite, its made to...well...protect from explosions...amd at range it dose from shrapnel, But the shockwave still rips you to peices

You misunderstand me, I haven't served, the guy making the comment had, I think. I doubt my gender gets into EOD, anyway. You just be careful. I may not think much of what you posted here but I wouldn't wish physical harm on you for that. Cautious and alive is better than brave and dead.
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:02 pm

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Biop wrote:You served, Thansk man, I Mean it, I May have no end of disdane for cops, But You guys are my heros, And they are talking about the Blaster suite, its made to...well...protect from explosions...amd at range it dose from shrapnel, But the shockwave still rips you to peices

You misunderstand me, I haven't served, the guy making the comment had, I think. I doubt my gender gets into EOD, anyway. You just be careful. I may not think much of what you posted here but I wouldn't wish physical harm on you for that. Cautious and alive is better than brave and dead.

Brave? More like insanity, and ive seen Females get into EOD. Just not as often, Though i recomend the movie, And most the time they Explode the IED's than disarm
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:03 pm

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But, you wouldnt kill someone packing firepower now would ya?

If I would kill them without it? Sure. Guns don't stop people from shooting you.

but atleast its better than being at the mercy of time when calling the police, igtg yall, and salute to the guy that served!
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:04 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Biop wrote:You served, Thansk man, I Mean it, I May have no end of disdane for cops, But You guys are my heros, And they are talking about the Blaster suite, its made to...well...protect from explosions...amd at range it dose from shrapnel, But the shockwave still rips you to peices

You misunderstand me, I haven't served, the guy making the comment had, I think. I doubt my gender gets into EOD, anyway. You just be careful. I may not think much of what you posted here but I wouldn't wish physical harm on you for that. Cautious and alive is better than brave and dead.


oh :meh:
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:07 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You misunderstand me, I haven't served, the guy making the comment had, I think. I doubt my gender gets into EOD, anyway. You just be careful. I may not think much of what you posted here but I wouldn't wish physical harm on you for that. Cautious and alive is better than brave and dead.


oh :meh:

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This is why people like me are needed, Ide be glad ta die in a fiery explosion, ide rather not, But i wouldnt be pissed, just means a Ranger, or someone who dosent even want a war dosent get killed
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Postby Mosasauria » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:11 pm

Biop wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
oh :meh:

http://kahunasniper.deviantart.com/jour ... -265637204
This is why people like me are needed, Ide be glad ta die in a fiery explosion, ide rather not, But i wouldnt be pissed, just means a Ranger, or someone who dosent even want a war dosent get killed

So you have a death wish?
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:13 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
Biop wrote:http://kahunasniper.deviantart.com/jour ... -265637204
This is why people like me are needed, Ide be glad ta die in a fiery explosion, ide rather not, But i wouldnt be pissed, just means a Ranger, or someone who dosent even want a war dosent get killed

So you have a death wish?

I prefer the term Giving a fuck challenged, Not to mention, EOD is volontary, You dont get drafted, You Sign up, As soon as im in im signing up for EOD I Hope to hell i get in, Explosives are a passion of mine
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:14 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
Biop wrote:http://kahunasniper.deviantart.com/jour ... -265637204
This is why people like me are needed, Ide be glad ta die in a fiery explosion, ide rather not, But i wouldnt be pissed, just means a Ranger, or someone who dosent even want a war dosent get killed

So you have a death wish?

Nah man, a hero wish. Different motivation, same ends.

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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:So you have a death wish?

Nah man, a hero wish. Different motivation, same ends.

Thanks sex That to
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Postby Galla- » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:37 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
and why the hell is that? Do you think im going to run around shooting people? I have a .223 semi-auto rock river ar-15, and I never had any thouts of using it to take someone's life away, keep in mind that the 2nd amendment is what kept you safe from street hoodlums.

No, what keeps me - and you - safe from "street hoodlums" is this gentlemen and others like him:

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haha funny joke

The police can literally allow you to be murdered in your own home, because of that case. If you think US law enforcement is there to prevent crime and protect you, you are extremely naive. The police's job is to respond to crime, not all of it, though, and they have absolutely no obligation to protect you as an individual.

Tekania wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
and why the hell is that? Do you think im going to run around shooting people? I have a .223 semi-auto rock river ar-15, and I never had any thouts of using it to take someone's life away, keep in mind that the 2nd amendment is what kept you safe from street hoodlums.


The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with it really. I don't need a full-auto weapon to defend myself. I certainly didn't get "E" devices attached to my marksman medals by spraying targets with bullets. I did it by placing the entirety of my magazine in the targets heart or head, one shot at a time.


Civilians don't train to murder. If someone were taking that much time to sight in a weapon at a rifle range on a human target, I'd be more than slightly worried.

They have just as fair a reason to own machine guns as the state, perhaps moreso because, as you stated, automatic weapons do not grant marksmanship medals. Maybe civilians just want to have fun shooting off thousands of rounds at paper?

Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Listen, I will reluctantly admit there are legitimate reasons for people to own hunting rifles and handguns.

There is no reason for anyone to own an automatic weapon.


There have never been crimes committed by civilians owning legally transferred automatic weapons.

Ever.

Certainly no reason at all for someone to own something that doesn't contribute to crime at all. While we're at it, let's ban kitchen knives and microphones.
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Postby Anthoniland » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:59 pm

:palm: Wow for real? You need to look at statistics. Places with tougher gun control laws have lower violent crime rates.

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Postby New Conglomerate » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:01 pm

Anthoniland wrote::palm: Wow for real? You need to look at statistics. Places with tougher gun control laws have lower violent crime rates.

That's why Chicago has such low violent crime rates.

Oh wait...

The problem is poverty and a culture of violence, not "guns" in and of themselves.
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Postby Galla- » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:02 pm

Anthoniland wrote::palm: Wow for real? You need to look at statistics. Places with tougher gun control laws have lower violent crime rates.


New Hampshire has a lower homicide rate than Germany.

Your mind is blown.

New Conglomerate wrote:
Anthoniland wrote::palm: Wow for real? You need to look at statistics. Places with tougher gun control laws have lower violent crime rates.

That's why Chicago has such low violent crime rates.

Oh wait...

The problem is poverty and a culture of violence, not "guns" in and of themselves.


This.

Poors cause crime, not guns. Criminals are poor, they cannot afford transfer fees or take time to file paperwork with the ATF (especially the latter) to get legally transferred machine guns. Banning new machine guns does nothing, but requiring transfer fees and paperwork to be filled does do something.

If you want to ban guns, start by banning cheap .25 and .32 ACP pistols you can get for <$120.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:04 pm

Biop wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah man, a hero wish. Different motivation, same ends.

Thanks sex That to

That's not my name.

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Postby New Conglomerate » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:07 pm

Galla- wrote:Criminals are poor

Hardly. They can usually afford much more then the poverty-stricken individuals they prey on. It's just that there's a paper trail for legally-transferable automatic weapons as long as Ron Jeremy's penis.
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:08 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Biop wrote:Thanks sex That to

That's not my name.

Nope but i dont know your name, and i nick name folks i dont know their names, Mines Cole how are you, dont like your nickname dont respond to it, But i shal eep calling you, and anyone i see with that avatar Sex
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Postby New Conglomerate » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:10 pm

Biop wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's not my name.

Nope but i dont know your name, and i nick name folks i dont know their names, Mines Cole how are you, dont like your nickname dont respond to it, But i shal eep calling you, and anyone i see with that avatar Sex

Kind sir, we are not able to ascertain what thou art speaking about at this particular time.
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:12 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Biop wrote:Nope but i dont know your name, and i nick name folks i dont know their names, Mines Cole how are you, dont like your nickname dont respond to it, But i shal eep calling you, and anyone i see with that avatar Sex

Kind sir, we are not able to ascertain what thou art speaking about at this particular time.

Sorry its to late for me to be typing, ILL CONTINE THIS AFTER A NIGHTS REST! AND SOME COFEE!
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Postby Galla- » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:33 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Galla- wrote:Criminals are poor

Hardly. They can usually afford much more then the poverty-stricken individuals they prey on. It's just that there's a paper trail for legally-transferable automatic weapons as long as Ron Jeremy's penis.


Show me a crime where a legally transferred automatic weapon was used since the establishment of the 1968 GCA and FFL system.

Actually, since the 1934 NFA, when you became mandated to actually register and pay for your automatic weapons.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:41 pm

Biop wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's not my name.

Nope but i dont know your name...

Are you serious? It says "Ifreann wrote:" in your posts when you quote me, and you can't figure out what name I go by on these forums? That's fucking ridiculous.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Biop wrote:Nope but i dont know your name...

Are you serious? It says "Ifreann wrote:" in your posts when you quote me, and you can't figure out what name I go by on these forums? That's fucking ridiculous.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Are you serious? It says "Ifreann wrote:" in your posts when you quote me, and you can't figure out what name I go by on these forums? That's fucking ridiculous.

Oh, let it go Pinkie Pie.

You'll survive.


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Postby Marshmellowstan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:48 pm

Hopefuly this doesn't get in the way of buying one of my favorite cars: one of those African pickups with the machine guns on the back.
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Postby Galla- » Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:18 pm

Marshmellowstan wrote:Hopefuly this doesn't get in the way of buying one of my favorite cars: one of those African pickups with the machine guns on the back.


You mean a Toyota Tacoma with an American-made M2 Browning?

You can own that.
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Postby Tekania » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:48 am

Galla- wrote:Civilians don't train to murder. If someone were taking that much time to sight in a weapon at a rifle range on a human target, I'd be more than slightly worried.


Not usually a lot of time no. And it's my opinion in firearm defense, that if someone was in the need to defend themselves they would be more concerned about limiting the scope of damage, something done much better with semi-automatic or lesser weapons, than with fully-automatic weapons. I'm less concerned with people training to murder, there's no excuse for such a crime.
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