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May 16, 1986 Machine Gun Owner's Protection Act

Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:02 pm

The May 1986 FOPA was a debate that outlawed the personal ownership of Full-automatic weapons manufactured in may 16 1986 or later, meaning civiliance CANNOT own automatic weapons after that time, in my opinion, I think the law should be abolished, theres going to be people that'll get their hands on any kind of weapon, the pre-86 weapons are extremely expensive, one ak47 can cost you $20,000 plus $200 transfer tax when you can just go to war torn somalia or any place like that and get one for just $100 from a terrorist ,and the price gets higher each time its purchased and transfered. Its rediculous! Its like there giving criminals more rights than the law abiding citizens! Anyways whats your view of the ban,hould it be abolished, or should it be as it is, or should we have even stricter gun laws?
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Yootwopia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:04 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:just go to war torn somalia or any place like that and get one for just $100 from a terrorist

I can see no potential customs issues arising from this.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:06 pm

huh?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Hassett » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:07 pm

Yootwopia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:just go to war torn somalia or any place like that and get one for just $100 from a terrorist

I can see no potential customs issues arising from this.

Just put it in baggage, its not he's bringing it as a carry-on.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:08 pm

Hassett wrote:
Yootwopia wrote:I can see no potential customs issues arising from this.

Just put it in baggage, its not he's bringing it as a carry-on.

You can't bring bullets, though, you have to post them home.
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Postby Yootwopia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:09 pm

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Yootwopia wrote:I can see no potential customs issues arising from this.

Just put it in baggage, its not he's bringing it as a carry-on.

Riiight, if it was as simple as say chartering a plane out to Mogadishu and popping down to the market why aren't the streets of America flooded with automatic rifles?
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Postby Unslavery » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:10 pm

Yootwopia wrote:
Hassett wrote:Just put it in baggage, its not he's bringing it as a carry-on.

Riiight, if it was as simple as say chartering a plane out to Mogadishu and popping down to the market why aren't the streets of America flooded with automatic rifles?

Have you never played GTA?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:11 pm

Well, the only way to get a post 86 weapon is by buying one as a dealer sample, meaning if u own a gunstore you can have one as a demo, or you can sell it to law enforcement, but you cant have it for personal collection and you gotta ''present it'' and you got to live in a certain state that allowes that.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:12 pm

Unslavery wrote:
Yootwopia wrote:Riiight, if it was as simple as say chartering a plane out to Mogadishu and popping down to the market why aren't the streets of America flooded with automatic rifles?

Have you never played GTA?


They are :palm: .... theyre not going to carry it out in the open, the criminals arent stupid.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Augustus Este » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:12 pm

Why the heck would you need a machine gun?
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:13 pm

I Fulkl heartedly agree, America is going ta hell i swear, anyway, I Owned an AK-47, Damn thing cost 4500$ the rounds are Very expensive, even though they are surplus from Russia
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:13 pm

Augustus Este wrote:Why the heck would you need a machine gun?

Why not? I MEan sure they cost a hell of a lot, But they are good clean fun for the masses, and if a criminal get one? Call up the Local redneck and kill him with the Ma Deuce
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:13 pm

theres tons of illegally owned MGs out there, the weapon smugglers arent going to ask the nearest might be off duty police guy to buy his merchendize.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:14 pm

Unslavery wrote:
Yootwopia wrote:Riiight, if it was as simple as say chartering a plane out to Mogadishu and popping down to the market why aren't the streets of America flooded with automatic rifles?

Have you never played GTA?

Reality check is needed in isal 3
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Postby Augustus Este » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:14 pm

Biop wrote:
Augustus Este wrote:Why the heck would you need a machine gun?

Why not? I MEan sure they cost a hell of a lot, But they are good clean fun for the masses, and if a criminal get one? Call up the Local redneck and kill him with the Ma Deuce


You and I must have very different definitions of "clean"
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Postby Elipida » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:15 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Unslavery wrote:Have you never played GTA?


They are :palm: .... theyre not going to carry it out in the open, the criminals arent stupid.


Some are though. The G20 (or was it G22?) summit in Toronto, two days before a man was arrested for carrying a loaded crossbow. his van was filled with moltovs, knives, etc
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:16 pm

Augustus Este wrote:
Biop wrote:Why not? I MEan sure they cost a hell of a lot, But they are good clean fun for the masses, and if a criminal get one? Call up the Local redneck and kill him with the Ma Deuce


You and I must have very different definitions of "clean"


Im a gun enthusiast, i like these kind of stuff, but im not some trigger happy desperate jail burden thats going to start a killing spree...
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:17 pm

Augustus Este wrote:
Biop wrote:Why not? I MEan sure they cost a hell of a lot, But they are good clean fun for the masses, and if a criminal get one? Call up the Local redneck and kill him with the Ma Deuce


You and I must have very different definitions of "clean"

Probably, My Idea of clean is my and ma good ol boys blowing shit up in our yards, making works bombs, and seeing who can shoot a quarter with my Best friends High Powered
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Postby Augustus Este » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:17 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Augustus Este wrote:
You and I must have very different definitions of "clean"


Im a gun enthusiast, i like these kind of stuff, but im not some trigger happy desperate jail burden thats going to start a killing spree...


Not everyone is like you unfortunately.
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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:19 pm

Augustus Este wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Im a gun enthusiast, i like these kind of stuff, but im not some trigger happy desperate jail burden thats going to start a killing spree...


Not everyone is like you unfortunately.

Human naure, ive shot Auto, its a lot of money, Very fast, But if your smart its safe as can be shooting a gun
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:19 pm

Augustus Este wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Im a gun enthusiast, i like these kind of stuff, but im not some trigger happy desperate jail burden thats going to start a killing spree...


Not everyone is like you unfortunately.


this is probrably another attempt by the politicians to ban all guns, once they banned semi auto rifles but was abolished in 2004 or 06?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:20 pm

Biop wrote:
Augustus Este wrote:
Not everyone is like you unfortunately.

Human naure, ive shot Auto, its a lot of money, Very fast, But if your smart its safe as can be shooting a gun


exactly!
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:30 pm

Yootwopia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:just go to war torn somalia or any place like that and get one for just $100 from a terrorist

I can see no potential customs issues arising from this.

You think you're making it back to customs after showing you're an American with money on you in Somalia?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:31 pm

if they just had more harsher punishments for gun law breakers, then the abolishment of the ban could be okay, ie. if you are guilty for having a firearm without the required license youll serve 10 years, that would decrease the amount of crime that involves weapons. and a license that has a harder requirement then everything should be good! then there wouldnt be a need to illegally buy one, since the price for legal machine guns out there would decrease significantly, now we could be able to have that M4 you always wanted for only 2,500 instead of a 5,000 dealer sample demo...
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Biop » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:36 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:if they just had more harsher punishments for gun law breakers, then the abolishment of the ban could be okay, ie. if you are guilty for having a firearm without the required license youll serve 10 years, that would decrease the amount of crime that involves weapons. and a license that has a harder requirement then everything should be good! then there wouldnt be a need to illegally buy one, since the price for legal machine guns out there would decrease significantly, now we could be able to have that M4 you always wanted for only 2,500 instead of a 5,000 dealer sample demo...

Ten years for owning aweapon you should be able to get? Abolish all gun laws, if someone wants a MK40 and has the money? Well i say ther are lucky bastards and should be able to
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