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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:23 am

Germova wrote:
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Germova wrote:infact i don't like russia and i hate korean outposts

but yea if you think that way what ever you keep your estranged happiness
and i will use it against you

hmm possibly more propaganda against the world

right?

so where is this health care in america? or where are these picket fenced homes you often tell the neiboring world?


as the amerika tells lies and get all them puppets to deliver

i speak the honest truth


You're not an American. Considering how you can't even spell the name of the continent half the time.




haha like i said you people are uneducated

america is american spelling

europe and germany spells it amerika


I am very well educated, thank you.

You are typing in English. In English it is spelled America. And why are you switching back and forth?
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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:25 am

this is my post and forums if i want i can lock it up but i am not arrogant on social chats

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:25 am

Germova wrote:even in china a man can do or say what he wants any given time

there are even gay clubs here i had been told

In capital cities a couple are open,

i can walk down the street with one bottle of jack and another with a beer and skateboard and the police don't do anything

there goes for local born chinese too

every night shops are filled with in door/ out door eating and beer drinking funny men


The issue with living in China is that you're free to do what you want until someone more powerful decides they don't like you,

That differs from a set rule of law by which you can expect reasonable consistency in terms of justice.

People are certainly not free to just do what they like, that tends to be the view of foreigners who are privileged in terms of little contact with the system, often abusing it and giving foreigners a bad name in the process,
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Postby Rikese » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:25 am

haha like i said you people are uneducated

america is american spelling

europe and germany spells it amerika


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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:26 am

bilinguals can do what he wants

if i want to type in chinese i can do so as i wish

or german or english or anglis or englis or any such other grammar

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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:28 am

Barringtonia wrote:
Germova wrote:even in china a man can do or say what he wants any given time

there are even gay clubs here i had been told

In capital cities a couple are open,

i can walk down the street with one bottle of jack and another with a beer and skateboard and the police don't do anything

there goes for local born chinese too

every night shops are filled with in door/ out door eating and beer drinking funny men


The issue with living in China is that you're free to do what you want until someone more powerful decides they don't like you,

That differs from a set rule of law by which you can expect reasonable consistency in terms of justice.

People are certainly not free to just do what they like, that tends to be the view of foreigners who are privileged in terms of little contact with the system, often abusing it and giving foreigners a bad name in the process,



quite true
but on the other hand

many foreigners/expats are thrown out of china and never allowed back
much the same to any nation
but the original topic wasn't about freedom it was about china vs american economy

the user's just have false information and said their own views which have no sense into this matter

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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:29 am

Germova wrote:bilinguals can do what he wants

if i want to type in chinese i can do so as i wish

or german or english or anglis or englis or any such other grammar


So you have a source for this government data?
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Postby Allbeama » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:32 am

Germova wrote:bilinguals can do what he wants

if i want to type in chinese i can do so as i wish

or german or english or anglis or englis or any such other grammar


Then do not be surprised when no one takes you at all seriously....... :D
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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:33 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Germova wrote:bilinguals can do what he wants

if i want to type in chinese i can do so as i wish

or german or english or anglis or englis or any such other grammar


So you have a source for this government data?




here go and read

i can get more if you want

http://newledger.com/2009/08/china-tear ... dit-cards/

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:34 am

Germova wrote:quite true
but on the other hand

many foreigners/expats are thrown out of china and never allowed back
much the same to any nation
but the original topic wasn't about freedom it was about china vs american economy

the user's just have false information and said their own views which have no sense into this matter


Well China has grown because of America's economy, it's internal market is less developed than, say, India.

Chinese nationalism is as much a drag as American,
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Postby Rikese » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:36 am

Germova wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:
Germova wrote:even in china a man can do or say what he wants any given time

there are even gay clubs here i had been told

In capital cities a couple are open,

i can walk down the street with one bottle of jack and another with a beer and skateboard and the police don't do anything

there goes for local born chinese too

every night shops are filled with in door/ out door eating and beer drinking funny men


The issue with living in China is that you're free to do what you want until someone more powerful decides they don't like you,

That differs from a set rule of law by which you can expect reasonable consistency in terms of justice.

People are certainly not free to just do what they like, that tends to be the view of foreigners who are privileged in terms of little contact with the system, often abusing it and giving foreigners a bad name in the process,



quite true
but on the other hand

many foreigners/expats are thrown out of china and never allowed back
much the same to any nation
but the original topic wasn't about freedom it was about china vs american economy

the user's just have false information and said their own views which have no sense into this matter


That's what I believe he was addressing. Refer to my above post. When PRC's economy hits a serious rut, there will be issues. In any democratic country, the people take their anger out on the government's perceived failure by replacing the incumbent that was unfortunate enough to be. It's a godsend that the peons were allowed to vote in a president right after the housing crash to allay their fears. There could have been riots if it was mid term.
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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:38 am

this is the reason why i do not respect or admire many expats here as they do take advantage and screw it up for all the rest

but in all

china does give reasonable solution's


also if i would speak or type in any other language this is not my problem thus i suggest you learning a language and being able to learn and research on other matters

there for you wont be confused

even if you do not take me serious, again not my problem as this is why so many are arrogant.

you would rather read or hear from un official sources than those who are actually living in the place they are mentioning

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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:43 am

on the contrary if there were no votes the american soil would have been ruined as most can not live independently
there for would need some one to act as their guardian at litem

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Postby Rikese » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:46 am

Germova wrote:on the contrary if there were no votes the american soil would have been ruined as most can not live independently
there for would need some one to act as their guardian at litem


???
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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:54 am

Germova wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
Germova wrote:bilinguals can do what he wants

if i want to type in chinese i can do so as i wish

or german or english or anglis or englis or any such other grammar


So you have a source for this government data?




here go and read

i can get more if you want

http://newledger.com/2009/08/china-tear ... dit-cards/


Thank you
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Postby Nukeobis » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:01 am

You say they have more freedom than the U.S.?
At least U.S. doesn't filter google searches.
You all know who the tank man is/was?
The guy that stood in front of the Chinese tanks as a protest against communism?
Search him on Google china and he won't come up.
Do it on another Google and it will.

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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:01 am

a brief on chinese issues on modern military and social standards

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009- ... 977766.htm

nothing to do with economy but military actions, yes

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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:04 am

Nukeobis wrote:You say they have more freedom than the U.S.?
At least U.S. doesn't filter google searches.
You all know who the tank man is/was?
The guy that stood in front of the Chinese tanks as a protest against communism?
Search him on Google china and he won't come up.
Do it on another Google and it will.




wow keep upto date dude

i go on google all the time :clap:

but yea i can go on any website there is

and by the way


oh is this it http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/0 ... tiananmen/

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:08 am

Germova wrote:wow keep upto date dude

i go on google all the time :clap:

but yea i can go on any website there is

and by the way


oh is this it http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/0 ... tiananmen/


Facebook is currently blocked, Twitter is blocked, Google China has to tailor its results so various terms don't turn up,

Even on Xiaonei, groups cannot be termed under 'student' now, is the 60th anniversary of October 1st coming up?

Yes, yes it is,

Much the same as the fact that Tiananmen square is always 'closed for renovations' every June 4th,
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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:12 am

xiaonei is a chinese version of facebook

and yes ok what about other sites that america bans or had banned

but no one cares about facebook thats old news

if china really bans them then what about msn? or yahoo? or any more popular search engines or forums

you have it all wrong

if they really want to ban them then they would ban the most popular sites

students in china are more political than american students and most have learned to hack

so this is the case of being misinformed once again sorry to burst your bubble


i live in china and i can go on those sites

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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:14 am

Germova wrote:xiaonei is a chinese version of facebook

and yes ok what about other sites that america bans or had banned

but no one cares about facebook thats old news

if china really bans them then what about msn? or yahoo? or any more popular search engines or forums

you have it all wrong

if they really want to ban them then they would ban the most popular sites

students in china are more political than american students and most have learned to hack

so this is the case of being misinformed once again sorry to burst your bubble


i live in china and i can go on those sites


What websites have been banned in the US?
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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:17 am

website for right wing and east asian news sites
a few years back

but even if they dont fully ban the american pirated police will track your ip and dns

hmm didn't you know that china doesn't have their own internet nor ip ??!!!!!!


jeeze well yea they take it from australia and reroute it to beijing sourcing their own servers through out china

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:18 am

Germova wrote:xiaonei is a chinese version of facebook

and yes ok what about other sites that america bans or had banned

but no one cares about facebook thats old news

if china really bans them then what about msn? or yahoo? or any more popular search engines or forums

you have it all wrong

if they really want to ban them then they would ban the most popular sites

students in china are more political than american students and most have learned to hack

so this is the case of being misinformed once again sorry to burst your bubble


i live in china and i can go on those sites


First, even to be on the Internet, you're tracked, if you go to an Internet cafe you need to provide your ID so they can match, privacy is not alllowed,

Facebook and Twitter and others are blocked, blocked now despite the fact you can find a workaway around that,

Chinese netizens even make jokes about 'harmonising' the internet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKx1aenJK08

Oh wait, I think Youtube is blocked as well,

They're blocked because the Chinese government cannot bring retribution to foreign Internet companies whereas they can against the Sina's, Sohu's and etc., they cannot demand personal data either.

You're a fool if you think people are free to do what they want in China, while it's far freer than people expect, it also remains quite controlled,
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Postby Germova » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:26 am

showing of the id at net bars only happend 1 year ago and thats because students stay there all night

until a few too many times a students father had burned a netbar down

and there for all cps has warned all owners
but you do not have to show id of you have none
also the id is not for restriction's it is for safety and discountings

haha it seems you been to china???


or do you read it online? i also use proxy and steganos so they can catch me i dont care let them try

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:42 am

Germova wrote:haha it seems you been to china???


I lived in Beijing for 7 years, I've been in HK the last 3,

...or do you read it online? i also use proxy and steganos so they can catch me i dont care let them try


..and this is the problem with China, the restrictions force people into illegal actions, why get a license when it will cost you so much and take years to process, just open the business. Can't access a site, use an illegal proxy,

So it's fine, until you piss someone off and they've simply got something on you because if you actually followed the rules you'd get nothing done.

This was basically the complaint of Lai Changxing, vilified in China as the master criminal yet the fact remains that he could not have done what he did without the support and complicity of the government, without making huge bribes,

...and yet the Chinese government seems blameless, easy to point the finger and say how illegal and corrupt someone was when the system essentially forces you to be corrupt, when the system is corrupt..

We always joked that a contract is not settled until payment is made, the rule of law hardly exists, which makes for a very free society on the surface but an utterly restrictive society underneath,

Most foreigners skim the surface, never quite understanding the reality,
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