Breast Feeding in Public:Yay or Nay? (Poll Added)

[Norstal]

Where is the line drawn? Everything we do is a "bodily function". Oh, I suppose I can't whistle anymore because I have to use my mouth.

The thing is that I think you're over-generalizing the term after I said it. I felt it would have been clear that bodily functions in this case refer to acts that you normally wouldn't flaunt in public.

Pretty sure most people USED to breastfeed in public until SOME PEOPLE banned it due to their own selfish reasons.

But Dyakovo has this problem as well. He thinks eating and shitting/breast-feeding/probably everything is in the same field, since they are all "bodily functions" and therefore there are no distinctions drawn. By this argument, one could lobby for public masturbation. After all, one is fulfilling a "natural" function, and one can simply "look away" if they don't like it. If legislation was passed which enabled it, would you automatically just line up with it?

No, he thinks that you think that eating, shitting, etc. is in the same field.

This is very counter-intuitive, seeing as how you think breastfeeding is a sexual act by comparing it to masturbation.

[AiliailiA]

No, it's the fallacy of equivocation. Because you can find one phrase which covers both breastfeeding and defecation you try to treat both the same (as something obscene to be done in private).

This has already been addressed. They aren't just bodily functions, they are graphic as they entail the open exposure of body parts which are seen as needing to be covered up (boobs with breast-feeding, and the ass/dick when evacuating). It isn't a matter of "we only disallow public urination because it leaves waste", it's that PLUS people don't feel like staring at your hairy balls and dick while they are trying to eat, or walk their dog, or whatever.

It's hard to tell WHAT you have "already addressed" when you don't use the quote button to insert names and links to what you're replying to.

And frankly I won't consider you to have "addressed" that until you admit that you were wrong. Being a "bodily function" has nothing to do with it. That was equivocation and a faulty method of argument.

And no, I won't "agree to disagree". If that's what you want then stop replying to me. Let me have the last word and congratulate myself on winning the point, or else keep arguing. Your tone of moral superiority has put me in a state of mind where I don't feel like doing you the favor of agreeing to disagree.

You should look at Saint Jade IV's posts again. It really is possible to rise above your personal feelings and take a position on principles instead.

[New England and The Maritimes]

What we're doing is rejecting this "self-evident" assertion that there is anything wrong with doing anything to yourself or a consenting party in public.

[Scottstan]

I'll bet that you can find areas of the US that are the same.

Its bemusing to me that an act which has the best interests of another human being at heart is less culturally acceptable than male urination in public.

You probably could. I wouldn't go to those places and tell them that what they are doing is wrong. But I'm pretty sure that in the town I live in, it would be met with some snide derision. And I don't really like it :/. I think people should be allowed to live in the environments and ways that they desire, and not just conform to what one person wants to do.

I don't think either should be done in public. That's just me.

I don't know how you picture breastfeeding, but usually the boob is more covered than by most dresses that the young people like to wear nowadays. A breastfeeding mother has no need to actually remove her entire shirt, and unless she is an exhibitionist I doubt she would.

Seriously, what is your hang up with boobs? I don't get what is so scary about them...

Well, apparently even just a request for covering up is EVUL! I don't have a hang up with the boobs themselves. Boobs are cool. Dicks are kind of cool to have. Neither really have a place in public (barring nudist colonies of course, so we don't get into a huge debate on communities that allow nudity). It's a time-place thing.

[Pag-Aalisa]

It's as if people are going to suffocate if they see a pair of boobs. I'm glad "manners" are falling off the face of the earth. They serve no purpose other than to make some people feel better than everybody else.

[Qazox]

Don't care.. and it should be covered up only to prevent the pervs out there from getting off on it.

[Saint Jade IV]

I'll bet that you can find areas of the US that are the same.

Its bemusing to me that an act which has the best interests of another human being at heart is less culturally acceptable than male urination in public.

You probably could. I wouldn't go to those places and tell them that what they are doing is wrong. But I'm pretty sure that in the town I live in, it would be met with some snide derision. And I don't really like it :/. I think people should be allowed to live in the environments and ways that they desire, and not just conform to what one person wants to do.

I don't think either should be done in public. That's just me.

I don't know how you picture breastfeeding, but usually the boob is more covered than by most dresses that the young people like to wear nowadays. A breastfeeding mother has no need to actually remove her entire shirt, and unless she is an exhibitionist I doubt she would.

Seriously, what is your hang up with boobs? I don't get what is so scary about them...

Well, apparently even just a request for covering up is EVUL! I don't have a hang up with the boobs themselves. Boobs are cool. Dicks are kind of cool to have. Neither really have a place in public (barring nudist colonies of course, so we don't get into a huge debate on communities that allow nudity). It's a time-place thing.

I'm confused as to what you think can be seen by a breastfeeding mother, even when she doesn't. The baby's head covers more of the breast than some of my dresses.

[AiliailiA]

Don't care.. and it should be covered up only to prevent the pervs out there from getting off on it.

I don't even see the harm in that, if the woman doesn't mind.

I'd consider it rude to stare (it is generally) but the principle cuts the other way in this case. Does the discomfort of the woman stared at outweigh the perv's right to look at things which occur in public? I'd say not. If the woman takes measures to try to protect her privacy and the perv goes out of his way to circumvent those, then it's getting into the realm of things that something should be done about. Unlike California (if that law stood, I'm not sure) I'm not at all eager to try to define what is "staring" and what is just "looking at".

[Grave_n_idle]

Because it's okay for YOU to impose your wants on them, but not for their needs to impose on you?

Yes, that does indeed describe the logic of the average American liberal.

I think the 'average American liberal' would probably suggest that they feel it's okay to impose NEED on you, but not for you to impose your WANT on them - or, exactly the opposite of what you suggest.

Not that that is relevant, of course... you're semi-trolling, I suspect. And not in an imaginative or intellectually honest... or even amusing... fashion.

[Grave_n_idle]

Because it's okay for YOU to impose your wants on them, but not for their needs to impose on you?

Obviously

I personally find breastfeeding not so pleasant. The idea of it is somewhat distasteful to me.

You know what I think is more disgusting or distasteful? The idea of a baby eating in a toilet.

Agreed. To be honest, I have no interest in seeing naked people when I'm trying to do my shopping, walking round town, or grabbing a coffee. But I think babies should eat. And I don't see why anyone has to suffer inhospitable conditions for it.

[Grave_n_idle]

Because it's okay for YOU to impose your wants on them, but not for their needs to impose on you?

What I have suggested is that mothers satisfy the needs of their babies in a way that is sensitive to the wants of others. Is that not a fair compromise?

No.

Fuck people who would be offended by babies being fed. They deserve no compromise.

[Wikkiwallana]

shitting with their tits

Dear Jesus, that is mental image Hell.

Not just mental, there's art of it. Rule 34 is a double-edged sword.

[Norstal]

Dear Jesus, that is mental image Hell.

Not just mental, there's art of it. Rule 34 is a double-edged sword.

Wikki, please don't draw that.

Please. Don't.

[Scottstan]

Pretty sure most people USED to breastfeed in public until SOME PEOPLE banned it due to their own selfish reasons.

It isn't banned, it's legal in most states. The anti-pbf sentiment is more a matter of social stigma.

No, he thinks that you think that eating, shitting, etc. is in the same field.

This is very counter-intuitive, seeing as how you think breastfeeding is a sexual act by comparing it to masturbation.

I didn't compare the two as sexual acts. It isn't. I compared them as things that ought not to be done openly.

It's hard to tell WHAT you have "already addressed" when you don't use the quote button to insert names and links to what you're replying to.

Sorry. I'm new to the forums, and I'm still getting used to the features. When I press the quote button, it doesn't allow me to type anything underneath the quoted text. I'm probably just missing something.

And frankly I won't consider you to have "addressed" that until you admit that you were wrong. Being a "bodily function" has nothing to do with it. That was equivocation and a faulty method of argument.

I don't see how I'm wrong. There are plenty of bodily functions that are acceptable and unacceptable in public. Pbf would reasonably fall under the latter area. You can make the argument of "eating and talking are bodily functions, too!" all you want, but you're grasping at straws. People generally regard boobs as something that ought to be covered up, not the mouth.

And no, I won't "agree to disagree". If that's what you want then stop replying to me. Let me have the last word and congratulate myself on winning the point, or else keep arguing. Your tone of moral superiority has put me in a state of mind where I don't feel like doing you the favor of agreeing to disagree.

You should look at Saint Jade IV's posts again. It really is possible to rise above your personal feelings and take a position on principles instead.

I like how you complain that I'm being condescending and then dismiss the idea of my views being based on principles, however you disagree with them. I don't see how I have a tone of moral superiority by having a contrasting opinion.

[Norstal]

Pretty sure most people USED to breastfeed in public until SOME PEOPLE banned it due to their own selfish reasons.

It isn't banned, it's legal in most states. The anti-pbf sentiment is more a matter of social stigma.

No, he thinks that you think that eating, shitting, etc. is in the same field.

This is very counter-intuitive, seeing as how you think breastfeeding is a sexual act by comparing it to masturbation.

I didn't compare the two as sexual acts. It isn't. I compared them as things that ought not to be done openly.

Yes, and you do know why masturbation can't be done openly, right?

[Scottstan]

No.

Fuck people who would be offended by babies being fed. They deserve no compromise.

Fuck people who can't take five seconds to re-locate to a better area. Their children will probably grow up to be spoiled and messed up anyway with such a self-centered, stubborn parent guiding them.

[Maineiacs]

If the sight of a woman breast feeding her baby causes you to have "naughty thoughts", that's your problem. Why should an infant be denied sustanence simply because some people are too immature to handle it like adults?

[You-Gi-Owe]

So what does NS think of public breastfeeding?

Personally, I dont see the big deal as long as the mom covers herself properly. Maybe its a bit weird to see it in person, but you dont have to watch if you dont want to.

I've gotten over my envy... let the little primates feed openly in public.

[Wikkiwallana]

Not just mental, there's art of it. Rule 34 is a double-edged sword.

Wikki, please don't draw that.

Please. Don't.

I can't draw a decent stick figure with a ruler and protractor, so you're safe from that. The art is already out there. Lots of it, and it's given me mental scars.

[Scottstan]

It isn't banned, it's legal in most states. The anti-pbf sentiment is more a matter of social stigma.



I didn't compare the two as sexual acts. It isn't. I compared them as things that ought not to be done openly.

Yes, and you do know why masturbation can't be done openly, right?

Public indecency....

[Maranaque]

I bet every guy on here is thinking, YES, YES, YES! BOOOOOOOOOOBS! \(0.0)/

But seriously, I see no problem with it.

[Saint Jade IV]

You should look at Saint Jade IV's posts again. It really is possible to rise above your personal feelings and take a position on principles instead.

[Saint Jade IV]

No.

Fuck people who would be offended by babies being fed. They deserve no compromise.

Fuck people who can't take five seconds to re-locate to a better area. Their children will probably grow up to be spoiled and messed up anyway with such a self-centered, stubborn parent guiding them.

I'm disgusted by people with bad table manners. Should they have to relocate to a better area, because I don't like the way they eat?

What would you consider a better area for a mother to breastfeed? Personally, considering the problems that most mothers have breastfeeding, I think they should be supported to do it anywhere they feel comfortable.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Not just mental, there's art of it. Rule 34 is a double-edged sword.

Wikki, please don't draw that.

Please. Don't.

Google "Shitting Dick Nipples."

[Milks Empire]

Wikki, please don't draw that.
Please. Don't.

Google "Shitting Dick Nipples."

I'm probably going to regret this, but... *looks it up*
...
I've seen worse. It's still nasty, but it's not Goatse bad.