Why would god hate an athiest?

[Sanguinthium]

Honestly. It's like asking Dwight Eisenhower if Hitler was a jerk.

What the fuck do you THINK he's going to say?

From what I know about Ike, he'd just look at you and move on to something with actual relevance to anything.

Why would God hate an atheist? I don't think that he would. Assuming we're talking about the God of Abraham, who covers Judaism and Christianity and Islam, he wants everyone to worship him, in return for which he makes various promises. His reason for this is that he is the only god there is, and he's loving and kind and merciful, so worshipping him should be a no-brainer. If a person denies his existence, that makes God sad and there are consequences, which make the non-believer even sadder, because they're going to be denied the wonderfulness of his ... wonderfulness. All this assuming you buy into the whole "I'm the only one" schtick.

dwight actually is the one who added the words "in god we trust" to our currency, and had the congress amend the pledge of allegiance (written by frances bellamy, an atheist socialist in 1892) to have the words "under god" added.

[Euronion]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

because many atheists I have seen have called God and Jesus terrible names, one person who got warned for flaming said "JESUS can suck my d***," not on this thread but another I have seen, not to mention atheists try to turn people away from God, and the definition of turning away from God is sin, a person who tries to turn you away from God is someone who is consorting with the devil, at least to some die hard christians, and therefore atheists go to hell. I think of it like this, you go where you beleive you will go, so as an atheist you beleive you will rot and turn to dust in your coffin, therefore that is what you will experience when you die, poof, your gone. However, if you are christian and believe in Heaven and Hell then you will be judged and will either go to Heaven or Hell. If you are Hindu, you go through the 40 day journey from death to rebirth ect. (except for Islam where you get 70 virgins or whatever it was because that comes from a mistranaslation of the Qu'ran) I believe this becuase in the bible it says that God is the one true God and he requires that you worship him, he does not say that other gods don;t exist but that he is the only one.

[Farnhamia]

From what I know about Ike, he'd just look at you and move on to something with actual relevance to anything.

Why would God hate an atheist? I don't think that he would. Assuming we're talking about the God of Abraham, who covers Judaism and Christianity and Islam, he wants everyone to worship him, in return for which he makes various promises. His reason for this is that he is the only god there is, and he's loving and kind and merciful, so worshipping him should be a no-brainer. If a person denies his existence, that makes God sad and there are consequences, which make the non-believer even sadder, because they're going to be denied the wonderfulness of his ... wonderfulness. All this assuming you buy into the whole "I'm the only one" schtick.

dwight actually is the one who added the words "in god we trust" to our currency, and had the congress amend the pledge of allegiance (written by frances bellamy, an atheist socialist in 1892) to have the words "under god" added.

No, he wasn't. While he may have approved of the change to the Pledge, it wasn't his idea. As for "In God We Trust," the history of that phrase in the US goes back to the early 19th century. Again, President Eisenhower approved the legislation adding it to the currency but it wasn't his idea.

[Farnhamia]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

because many atheists I have seen have called God and Jesus terrible names, one person who got warned for flaming said "JESUS can suck my d***," not on this thread but another I have seen, not to mention atheists try to turn people away from God, and the definition of turning away from God is sin, a person who tries to turn you away from God is someone who is consorting with the devil, at least to some die hard christians, and therefore atheists go to hell. I think of it like this, you go where you beleive you will go, so as an atheist you beleive you will rot and turn to dust in your coffin, therefore that is what you will experience when you die, poof, your gone. However, if you are christian and believe in Heaven and Hell then you will be judged and will either go to Heaven or Hell. If you are Hindu, you go through the 40 day journey from death to rebirth ect. (except for Islam where you get 70 virgins or whatever it was because that comes from a mistranaslation of the Qu'ran) I believe this becuase in the bible it says that God is the one true God and he requires that you worship him, he does not say that other gods don;t exist but that he is the only one.

Just so I understand you, the God of Abraham is not the only god, not the supreme ruler of the universe?

[Euronion]

According to the Bible we are all children of God, god would hate atheists because atheists are in effect trying to get the child to leave the father. It is like asking why a father/mother would be mad if their son's/daughter's friend kept on trying to convince their child to leave their home and run off never speaking or acknowledging the father/mother exists or has ever existed

[Euronion]

because many atheists I have seen have called God and Jesus terrible names, one person who got warned for flaming said "JESUS can suck my d***," not on this thread but another I have seen, not to mention atheists try to turn people away from God, and the definition of turning away from God is sin, a person who tries to turn you away from God is someone who is consorting with the devil, at least to some die hard christians, and therefore atheists go to hell. I think of it like this, you go where you beleive you will go, so as an atheist you beleive you will rot and turn to dust in your coffin, therefore that is what you will experience when you die, poof, your gone. However, if you are christian and believe in Heaven and Hell then you will be judged and will either go to Heaven or Hell. If you are Hindu, you go through the 40 day journey from death to rebirth ect. (except for Islam where you get 70 virgins or whatever it was because that comes from a mistranaslation of the Qu'ran) I believe this becuase in the bible it says that God is the one true God and he requires that you worship him, he does not say that other gods don;t exist but that he is the only one.

Just so I understand you, the God of Abraham is not the only god, not the supreme ruler of the universe?

He is the only TRUE God, not the only one, its dificult to explain, you believe what you believe, who is to say all the different religions aren't around the same God with just different names, and that it is man's interpretation that has changed it

[Naserath]

Is there a specific reason why "atheist" is so often misspelled as "athiest" on NSG?

I guess they're trying to turn it into the superlative.

I do the same thing with thier .. or is it their...dammit >.>

[Farnhamia]

According to the Bible we are all children of God, god would hate atheists because atheists are in effect trying to get the child to leave the father. It is like asking why a father/mother would be mad if their son's/daughter's friend kept on trying to convince their child to leave their home and run off never speaking or acknowledging the father/mother exists or has ever existed

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”

24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

But okay, yes, I suppose. Still, hatred seems awfully petty for an omnipotent being.

[Farnhamia]

Just so I understand you, the God of Abraham is not the only god, not the supreme ruler of the universe?

He is the only TRUE God, not the only one, its dificult to explain, you believe what you believe, who is to say all the different religions aren't around the same God with just different names, and that it is man's interpretation that has changed it

Very New Age, all gods are God, we're all special snowflakes. That's not how the Bible reads to me.

[The Archregimancy]

Don't try to prove anything about Christians by using Hitler.

2.1 billion people are also Christians. Are they also Nazis?

You might as well say people with blonde hair and blues eyes are also all Nazis.

1. i was trying to re-vitalize this thread by Godwining it

2. my point is that HITLER did what he did because of Christianity.

Sanguinthium, you are at this point skating on very thin ice, and the only reason I haven't locked this thread and formally warned you for both flaming and openly admitted trolling is because I'm so closely involved with the thread, which presents a conflict of interest.

I would also note that you cannot, contrary to your claim a page or two ago, change the site rules to suit you.

On your point 1 - don't. Intentional Godwins are neither clever nor funny, and are a rapid path to a thread lock.

On your point 2 - If you want to have that debate, start another thread, which you are very welcome to do.

If, however, you continue to insist that 'evilbible.com' websites are a superior source to actual historical works written by reputable historians, you'll likely find that you'll be taken as seriously in that thread as you currently are in this one.



As to Baldur and Christianity, I take absolutely no pleasure from seriously attacking the religious faith of others, but since you absolutely won't let it go, I recommend the following:

Page 316 of:

Andren, Anders, Kristina Jennbert and Catharina Raudvere
2006 Old Norse Religion in Long-Term Perspectives: Origins, Changes and Interactions, An International Conference in Lund, Sweden, June 3-7, 2004 Nordic Academic Press.

And also:

Turville-Petre, Gabriel
1964 Myth and Religion of the North: The Religion of Ancient Scandinavia. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston.

Balder has also been likened to Jesus Christ, likely due to the number of shared motifs between the two figures (a dying-and-rising god killed, though blameless, who heralds the arrival of a period of eternal peace). Such parallels (and even identifications) were especially striking in the versions of both tales that emerged from the Nordic world during the conversion of the region to Christianity - including a folk account of Christ being crucified on a mistletoe! However, "we need not go so far as [to] ... describe the cult of Balder as Christianity in pagan clothing, but it may well be allowed that Balder's character in the original Norse myth laid him open to Christian influences. Like Christ, Balder died, and like Christ he will return at the end of the world." (Turville-Petre 1964: 119).

Also note the Encyclopaedia Britannica entry on Baldur:

Balder, Old Norse Baldr, in Norse mythology, the son of the chief god Odin and his wife Frigg. Beautiful and just, he was the favourite of the gods. Most legends about him concern his death. Icelandic stories tell how the gods amused themselves by throwing objects at him, knowing that he was immune from harm. The blind god Höd, deceived by the evil Loki, killed Balder by hurling mistletoe, the only thing that could hurt him. After Balder’s funeral, the giantess Thökk, probably Loki in disguise, refused to weep the tears that would release Balder from death.

Some scholars believe that the passive, suffering figure of Balder was influenced by that of Christ...

And now that we've all had our fun, which includes a naughty little wristslap for myself, I would recommend - as advocated and attempted by Farnhamia and Dyakovo - focusing on the actual thread topic.

[Dyakovo]

I would recommend - as advocated and attempted by Farnhamia and Dyakovo - focusing on the actual thread topic.

Shh! Don't let it get out that I encourage trying to follow the rules... It'll ruin my reputation...

[Norstal]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

because many atheists I have seen have called God and Jesus terrible names, one person who got warned for flaming said "JESUS can suck my d***," not on this thread but another I have seen, not to mention atheists try to turn people away from God, and the definition of turning away from God is sin, a person who tries to turn you away from God is someone who is consorting with the devil, at least to some die hard christians, and therefore atheists go to hell.[1] I think of it like this, you go where you beleive you will go, so as an atheist you beleive you will rot and turn to dust in your coffin, therefore that is what you will experience when you die, poof, your gone. However, if you are christian and believe in Heaven and Hell then you will be judged and will either go to Heaven or Hell. If you are Hindu, you go through the 40 day journey from death to rebirth ect. (except for Islam where you get 70 virgins or whatever it was because that comes from a mistranaslation of the Qu'ran) I believe this becuase in the bible it says that God is the one true God and he requires that you worship him, he does not say that other gods don;t exist but that he is the only one.[2]

Punctuation dude. Seriously.

1. Don't judge others lest ye be judged.

2. So many contradictions. You can't just assimilate everything in your religion without contradictions or blaring logical dissonance.

[Norstal]

According to the Bible we are all children of God, god would hate atheists because atheists are in effect trying to get the child to leave the father. It is like asking why a father/mother would be mad if their son's/daughter's friend kept on trying to convince their child to leave their home and run off never speaking or acknowledging the father/mother exists or has ever existed

So after you moved away from your parents, you'd want your parents to track you down and purge you into a furnace.

Seems reasonable.

[Norstal]

He is the only TRUE God, not the only one, its dificult to explain, you believe what you believe, who is to say all the different religions aren't around the same God with just different names, and that it is man's interpretation that has changed it

Well, probably because the other ones doesn't condemn nonbelievers nor do all religions have gods.

[Euronion]

He is the only TRUE God, not the only one, its dificult to explain, you believe what you believe, who is to say all the different religions aren't around the same God with just different names, and that it is man's interpretation that has changed it

Very New Age, all gods are God, we're all special snowflakes. That's not how the Bible reads to me.

the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word, God did not write the Old Testiment, Jesus did not write the New Testiment. God is not a physical being, he is a spirit, he has no physical form, in fact 'he' is the incorrect pronoun, it should be 'it' fore if God cannot manifest in physical form, then God has no gender. The Bible as shown by the many denominations can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways

[Farnhamia]

Very New Age, all gods are God, we're all special snowflakes. That's not how the Bible reads to me.

the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word, God did not write the Old Testiment, Jesus did not write the New Testiment. God is not a physical being, he is a spirit, he has no physical form, in fact 'he' is the incorrect pronoun, it should be 'it' fore if God cannot manifest in physical form, then God has no gender. The Bible as shown by the many denominations can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways

I thought Jesus Christ was God manifested in physical form. Go away, Bluth, not playing your game here.

[The Alma Mater]

According to the Bible we are all children of God, god would hate atheists because atheists are in effect trying to get the child to leave the father. It is like asking why a father/mother would be mad if their son's/daughter's friend kept on trying to convince their child to leave their home and run off never speaking or acknowledging the father/mother exists or has ever existed

So after you moved away from your parents, you'd want your parents to track you down and purge you into a furnace.

Seems reasonable.

Don't be silly. Your dad should also kill your firstborn, and then drown all your neighbours and friends.
Cause he just can't let go
Cause he loves you so !

(cue music)

[Euronion]

the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word, God did not write the Old Testiment, Jesus did not write the New Testiment. God is not a physical being, he is a spirit, he has no physical form, in fact 'he' is the incorrect pronoun, it should be 'it' fore if God cannot manifest in physical form, then God has no gender. The Bible as shown by the many denominations can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways

I thought Jesus Christ was God manifested in physical form. Go away, Bluth, not playing your game here.

Jesus was divine, because the Holy Spirit manifested intslef within him and within the Virgin Mary. the Holy Spirit also manifested itself within the Saints such as Saint Peter which allowed them to perform miracles

[Farnhamia]

I thought Jesus Christ was God manifested in physical form. Go away, Bluth, not playing your game here.

Jesus was divine, because the Holy Spirit manifested intslef within him and within the Virgin Mary. the Holy Spirit also manifested itself within the Saints such as Saint Peter which allowed them to perform miracles

So Jesus was both human and divine? Okay, you're a Chalcedonian. Just checking. As for the pronoun to use, Jesus himself refers to "my father." He obviously perceived God as male.

[Ceannairceach]

Very New Age, all gods are God, we're all special snowflakes. That's not how the Bible reads to me.

the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word, God did not write the Old Testiment, Jesus did not write the New Testiment. God is not a physical being, he is a spirit, he has no physical form, in fact 'he' is the incorrect pronoun, it should be 'it' fore if God cannot manifest in physical form, then God has no gender. The Bible as shown by the many denominations can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways

Posts like this make me think that everyone passes through a Heinlein-esque Pantheist stage before crossing into disbelief.

[Farnhamia]

the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word, God did not write the Old Testiment, Jesus did not write the New Testiment. God is not a physical being, he is a spirit, he has no physical form, in fact 'he' is the incorrect pronoun, it should be 'it' fore if God cannot manifest in physical form, then God has no gender. The Bible as shown by the many denominations can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways

Posts like this make me think that everyone passes through a Heinlein-esque Pantheist stage before crossing into disbelief.

I grok you, man.

[Serrland]

Jesus was divine, because the Holy Spirit manifested intslef within him and within the Virgin Mary. the Holy Spirit also manifested itself within the Saints such as Saint Peter which allowed them to perform miracles

So Jesus was both human and divine? Okay, you're a Chalcedonian. Just checking. As for the pronoun to use, Jesus himself refers to "my father." He obviously perceived God as male.

I don't mean to go back to the Trinity, but (in my faith tradition) The Father =/= God. Christ the Son is just as much God as is the Father.

As for the gender thing, the Holy Ghost is often described as feminine while the other two are masculine.

[Farnhamia]

So Jesus was both human and divine? Okay, you're a Chalcedonian. Just checking. As for the pronoun to use, Jesus himself refers to "my father." He obviously perceived God as male.

I don't mean to go back to the Trinity, but (in my faith tradition) The Father =/= God. Christ the Son is just as much God as is the Father.

As for the gender thing, the Holy Ghost is often described as feminine while the other two are masculine.

Christological disputes! This is why I had a headache from the 4th century through the 6th!

Assuming Jesus is not referring to Joseph of Nazareth, who is his father, if not God?

[Ceannairceach]

Posts like this make me think that everyone passes through a Heinlein-esque Pantheist stage before crossing into disbelief.

I grok you, man.

And since all that groks is God, thou art God. And thou art also an atheist. And since you are both God and an atheist, "God" does not automatically hate atheists. Though you may hate some atheists. Or not. Or some other God may hate atheists or single atheists. Or not.

...

Holy shit, I think I just broke through the Matrix.

[Farnhamia]

I grok you, man.

And since all that groks is God, thou art God. And thou art also an atheist. And since you are both God and an atheist, "God" does not automatically hate atheists. Though you may hate some atheists. Or not. Or some other God may hate atheists or single atheists. Or not.

...

Holy shit, I think I just broke through the Matrix.

Just make sure you wash the goo off.