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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:22 pm

Bottle wrote:Frankly, I'm a lot less worried about god's hatred than I am about the hatred of the laundry gnomes. They keep chewing up my favorite t-shirts, in their wrath, and the only way I can appease them seems to be by feeding them my favorite pair of jeans.

Really? Mine prefer socks and anything made of silk.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bottle wrote:Frankly, I'm a lot less worried about god's hatred than I am about the hatred of the laundry gnomes. They keep chewing up my favorite t-shirts, in their wrath, and the only way I can appease them seems to be by feeding them my favorite pair of jeans.

Really? Mine prefer socks and anything made of silk.

Hmm. I haven't got anything silk, but it's entirely possible they're stealing socks...I never bother to count mine, I just shove any survivors in the drawer once they're dry.
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:25 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Really? Mine prefer socks and anything made of silk.

Hmm. I haven't got anything silk, but it's entirely possible they're stealing socks...I never bother to count mine, I just shove any survivors in the drawer once they're dry.


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:25 pm

Bottle wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Really? Mine prefer socks and anything made of silk.

Hmm. I haven't got anything silk, but it's entirely possible they're stealing socks...I never bother to count mine, I just shove any survivors in the drawer once they're dry.

Silk next to the skin ... That might almost make me believe there is a benevolent god. :)
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Postby Caninope » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:25 pm

Sanguinthium wrote:1. 1277 was not the 14th century.
2. Fillippo said that dante was divinely inspired, as did Dante (a devote catholic), claiming the texts as him writing down a prophetic vision. i remember reading that the church had a positive position on the poems.

1. The Divine Comedy was wrote between 1308 and 1321, making it indeed 14th Century.
2. Filippo who?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:28 pm

Caninope wrote:
Sanguinthium wrote:1. 1277 was not the 14th century.
2. Fillippo said that dante was divinely inspired, as did Dante (a devote catholic), claiming the texts as him writing down a prophetic vision. i remember reading that the church had a positive position on the poems.

1. The Divine Comedy was wrote between 1308 and 1321, making it indeed 14th Century.
2. Filippo who?

I knew a Filippo when I lived in Nola during the 8th century. He had a butcher shop in town but always made deliveries out to my villa. Of course, my cook, Martina, was pretty cute.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:35 pm

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This is why I screen my calls.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:39 pm

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You know who else said that? Bush. I didn't much like his rule either.

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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:42 pm

Sanguinthium wrote:
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Sanguinthium, for how long are you going to persist in posting demonstrably incorrect facts that have been proven to be demonstrably incorrect, and which you have previously accepted are demonstrably incorrect?

Re-read this post from page 25:

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No one has ever put Tiberius in heaven. A medieval legend which no one currently believes in, but which was repeated by Dante, holds that Gregory the Great prayed for the salvation of Trajan. Dante himself also chose to put one of Aeneas' pagan colleagues in heaven.

As several people have noted on several occasions, Dante is in no way shape or form dogma or canon law for Catholics, never mind the totality of Christians. Dante was never beatified, never canonised, and nothing in the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Dante suggests that he was 'divinely inspired' in any manner which would make anyone take the Divine Comedy as a factual representation of official doctrine, as opposed to an allegory which draws extensively upon Catholic doctrine, and in some cases reinforced and popularised Catholic doctrine - but which has never defined said doctrine, and is more than slightly irrelevant to non-Catholics anyway.

Unlike - say - Farnhamia, the Alma Mater, Dyakovo, or numerous others who have disagreed with Christianity in this thread, the more you post here, the more you demonstrate that you have little to no understanding of Christian doctrine, Dante, medieval church history, or even - ironically enough given the amount of time you've spent criticising Christians in this thread for not knowing enough about their own religion - the roots of medieval Norse paganism and the Baldur myth.

Constantly repeating something after other people have proven it to be false - and after you've even accepted something to be false in some cases - does not suddenly make it true.


damnit i keep mixing them it!
Tiberius, trajen.. so similar! again, meant Trajan. sorry :palm: at me...

and you know absolutely nothing about norse paganism. just because you say you do doesnt make it right. just like how i keep mixing Tiberius and Trajen up, and presenting it as fact :?
anyway, just because YOU claim it to be legend doesnt mean that nobody believes it. my local priest said he exhumed to remains of Trajen. in his ashes. wonder how that one worked :o besides...
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Baldr is not anything close to Nordic Jesus.

Baldr predates Christianity in scandinavia. Thor is the only Norse god who would qualify as a Jesus is either Tyr or Thor.

Hitler, However was a christian.

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As Divine Unity has already sort of pointed out (except that we're talking about the Paradiso rather than the Inferno), I wasn't aware that an 8th-century legend and 14th-century Florentine literature had achieved the status of pan-Christian canon.

You must enlighten us with more detail as to when this took place.


forgot to respond to this-
1. 1277 was not the 14th century.
2. Fillippo said that dante was divinely inspired, as did Dante (a devote catholic), claiming the texts as him writing down a prophetic vision. i remember reading that the church had a positive position on the poems.


Having no knowledge of Norse religions, I will avoid that topic.

However, regarding the poems, find me a Church document that says the poems are Dogma, then we can talk. The church also has a positive position on The Simpsons, but that doesn't make it Dogma.
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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:49 pm

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mmmmmmkay...
They have other threads relating to the USA and Religion... I don't remember any debates here on USA and Religion....
So was there a point you meant to make?
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Divine Unity wrote:
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mmmmmmkay...
They have other threads relating to the USA and Religion... I don't remember any debates here on USA and Religion....
So was there a point you meant to make?

Sry, wrong thread. :oops:

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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:54 pm

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Divine Unity wrote:

mmmmmmkay...
They have other threads relating to the USA and Religion... I don't remember any debates here on USA and Religion....
So was there a point you meant to make?

Sry, wrong thread. :oops:


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Postby Seperates » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:58 pm

Divine Unity wrote:
Sanguinthium wrote:
damnit i keep mixing them it!
Tiberius, trajen.. so similar! again, meant Trajan. sorry :palm: at me...

and you know absolutely nothing about norse paganism. just because you say you do doesnt make it right. just like how i keep mixing Tiberius and Trajen up, and presenting it as fact :?
anyway, just because YOU claim it to be legend doesnt mean that nobody believes it. my local priest said he exhumed to remains of Trajen. in his ashes. wonder how that one worked :o besides...


Baldr is not anything close to Nordic Jesus.

Baldr predates Christianity in scandinavia. Thor is the only Norse god who would qualify as a Jesus is either Tyr or Thor.

Hitler, However was a christian.



forgot to respond to this-
1. 1277 was not the 14th century.
2. Fillippo said that dante was divinely inspired, as did Dante (a devote catholic), claiming the texts as him writing down a prophetic vision. i remember reading that the church had a positive position on the poems.


Having no knowledge of Norse religions, I will avoid that topic.

However, regarding the poems, find me a Church document that says the poems are Dogma, then we can talk. The church also has a positive position on The Simpsons, but that doesn't make it Dogma.

I'm quite frankly shocked that the Church would even have a positive position on that... If only they accepted the use of conctraception...
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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:18 pm

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Divine Unity wrote:
Having no knowledge of Norse religions, I will avoid that topic.

However, regarding the poems, find me a Church document that says the poems are Dogma, then we can talk. The church also has a positive position on The Simpsons, but that doesn't make it Dogma.

I'm quite frankly shocked that the Church would even have a positive position on that... If only they accepted the use of contraception...


Sorry, typo. It hurts me though... Grammar Nazi.

Anyway, The Church has a list of reasons not to use Contraception, some make sense, some I scratch my head at.
Regardless, getting into a debate on contraception is the LAST thing I want to do. It's just... not a pretty argument. Names are called, items are thrown, babies cry.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:25 pm

Divine Unity wrote:
Seperates wrote:I'm quite frankly shocked that the Church would even have a positive position on that... If only they accepted the use of contraception...


Sorry, typo. It hurts me though... Grammar Nazi.

Anyway, The Church has a list of reasons not to use Contraception, some make sense, some I scratch my head at.
Regardless, getting into a debate on contraception is the LAST thing I want to do. It's just... not a pretty argument. Names are called, items are thrown, babies cry.

(Damn, hit the "c" key one too many times... and I missed on my proof-reading. Double damn.) Agreed. Just remember... every sperm is sacred.
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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:27 pm

Seperates wrote:
Divine Unity wrote:
Sorry, typo. It hurts me though... Grammar Nazi.

Anyway, The Church has a list of reasons not to use Contraception, some make sense, some I scratch my head at.
Regardless, getting into a debate on contraception is the LAST thing I want to do. It's just... not a pretty argument. Names are called, items are thrown, babies cry.

(Damn, hit the "c" key one too many times... and I missed on my proof-reading. Double damn.) Agreed. Just remember... every sperm is sacred.


Try texting using my phone then... It's got the AZERTY set up... Oh and is in German.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:30 pm

Divine Unity wrote:
Seperates wrote:(Damn, hit the "c" key one too many times... and I missed on my proof-reading. Double damn.) Agreed. Just remember... every sperm is sacred.


Try texting using my phone then... It's got the AZERTY set up... Oh and is in German.

I only have one phrase for something like that... Why on earth would you do that?
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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:33 pm

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Divine Unity wrote:
Try texting using my phone then... It's got the AZERTY set up... Oh and is in German.

I only have one phrase for something like that... Why on earth would you do that?


It makes me smile... And it totally screws up anyone's attempts to do anything to my phone. They can't type normally, and the don't understand the words to try to screw up my settings.

It's the little things that get me through the day. The "what-the-fuck?!" looks I get count as the little things.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:36 pm

Divine Unity wrote:
Seperates wrote:I only have one phrase for something like that... Why on earth would you do that?


It makes me smile... And it totally screws up anyone's attempts to do anything to my phone. They can't type normally, and the don't understand the words to try to screw up my settings.

It's the little things that get me through the day. The "what-the-fuck?!" looks I get count as the little things.

They most definitly do.
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Postby Divine Unity » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:42 pm

Seperates wrote:
Divine Unity wrote:
It makes me smile... And it totally screws up anyone's attempts to do anything to my phone. They can't type normally, and the don't understand the words to try to screw up my settings.

It's the little things that get me through the day. The "what-the-fuck?!" looks I get count as the little things.

They most definitly do.



So I feel when this is what the thread has come to, that the arguments are done...

Toodles, unless somebody comes in here and starts up a non-repetitive debate. (i.e. that we haven't already covered on this topic)
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Postby Seperates » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:43 pm

Divine Unity wrote:
Seperates wrote:They most definitly do.



So I feel when this is what the thread has come to, that the arguments are done...

Toodles, unless somebody comes in here and starts up a non-repetitive debate. (i.e. that we haven't already covered on this topic)

Or we just wait until, like herpes, the whole cycle starts up again.
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Postby Cameroi » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:46 pm

why would fanatics tell the lie that god would? could it possibly be for their own blindly self centered interests?
god, the last time i checked, and with pretty much the entire spectrum of beliefs which have a god, LOVES atheists, and loves them far more then fanatics of any stripe.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:49 pm

Cameroi wrote:why would fanatics tell the lie that god would? could it possibly be for their own blindly self centered interests?
god, the last time i checked, and with pretty much the entire spectrum of beliefs which have a god, LOVES atheists, and loves them far more then fanatics of any stripe.

Because we actually look for them, and not at their holy books?
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