Why would god hate an athiest?

[Farnhamia]

Then what do you think? (Or did I miss your post giving your thoughts?)

Babylonian priest (or whoever they stole the story from) wants a story to scare the peasants with, remembers the guy who lived in the next house when the priest was a kid, who kept his goats on a raft during the annual 4 ft river flood, so he wouldnt have to share the roof of his house with them.

Priest inflates story to a really big raft, with loads of goats not just two, and a really big flood, then uses this to scare the city folk at the temple he works at into being extra pius and extra generous with the priests free lunch offerings to the gods.

Jewish tourist steals myth for use in own tribe.

Yeah ... no. I'll stick with my theory. A story where the gods are sorry they did it isn't terribly scary. The god of the Hebrews actually promised not to do it again, and the gods and goddesses of Sumeria were perishing of hunger.

[Caninope]

You don't actually know what an Ad Hominem is do you?

Yes, I do, and I'm pretty sure that "sexist," "racist," and "laughing boy" would fit under it.

The Jews regard the Torah as holy, not just in its meaning, but the actual written form it's self, they are VERY careful when making copies by hand, as if they make a mistake, the page cannot be thrown away because it might have a holy name on it, and that would be blasphemy, so they copy letter by letter, not word by word, or sentence by sentence.There are copies of Torah that predate Christian documents, and the text has remained remarkably consistant, and for the old testament, thats as close to an original copy as you are likely to find...

And there's no possibility of it changing in the thousands of years that it was copied, or the thousands of years that it was an oral traditions?

As for the hunter gather thing, your earlier post claimed hunter gatherers were TALLER than agrarians, and you posted a link to support this, now you claim that agrairians overtake hunter gatherers, and that the same link supports this also...

During the switch the agriculture, they were. After farmers became the majority, became organized, and started to form associations, they were able to systematically outperform the hunter gatherers in disputes over land, pushing the hunter gatherers into the worst spots; accordingly, the height of the hunter gatherers went down as they were forced on worse and worse land.

[Demonatrix]

You don't actually know what an Ad Hominem is do you?

Yes, I do, and I'm pretty sure that "sexist," "racist," and "laughing boy" would fit under it.

The Jews regard the Torah as holy, not just in its meaning, but the actual written form it's self, they are VERY careful when making copies by hand, as if they make a mistake, the page cannot be thrown away because it might have a holy name on it, and that would be blasphemy, so they copy letter by letter, not word by word, or sentence by sentence.There are copies of Torah that predate Christian documents, and the text has remained remarkably consistant, and for the old testament, thats as close to an original copy as you are likely to find...

And there's no possibility of it changing in the thousands of years that it was copied, or the thousands of years that it was an oral traditions?

As for the hunter gather thing, your earlier post claimed hunter gatherers were TALLER than agrarians, and you posted a link to support this, now you claim that agrairians overtake hunter gatherers, and that the same link supports this also...

During the switch the agriculture, they were. After farmers became the majority, became organized, and started to form associations, they were able to systematically outperform the hunter gatherers in disputes over land, pushing the hunter gatherers into the worst spots; accordingly, the height of the hunter gatherers went down as they were forced on worse and worse land.

You own supplied source, clearly disproves your claim on hunter/gatherers vs agrairians.

Read the section on the Bushmen where it states they have an easier life and better standard of nutrition than their agrarian neighbors, but the bushmen are shorter.

There are manuscript copies of the torah that are older than christian scriptures, and they remain almost unchanged, due to the method of reproduction, and the regard jews have for the torah as a sacred item in it's own right rather than just a book about the sacred.

Christian scholars tended to copy manuscripts the way we do today when making copies by hand, one sentence at a time, not one letter at a time. comparisons between modern copies and ancient copies shows clearly it has not under gone anything like as many changes as christian scripture.

And an ad hominem is an attack on an argument via a person as in saying their argument is wrong BECAUSE they are whatever, simply stating that somebody is racist or sexist is not an ad hominem, dont throw terms around if you dont know what they mean, and if you think laughing boy is an ad hominem, then you are very very sadly mistaken.

[Genivaria]

What if God smoked cannabis
Do you 'spose He had a buzz
When He made the platypus
When He created both our homes

[Sociobiology]

Yes, I do, and I'm pretty sure that "sexist," "racist," and "laughing boy" would fit under it.


And there's no possibility of it changing in the thousands of years that it was copied, or the thousands of years that it was an oral traditions?


During the switch the agriculture, they were. After farmers became the majority, became organized, and started to form associations, they were able to systematically outperform the hunter gatherers in disputes over land, pushing the hunter gatherers into the worst spots; accordingly, the height of the hunter gatherers went down as they were forced on worse and worse land.

You own supplied source, clearly disproves your claim on hunter/gatherers vs agrairians.

Read the section on the Bushmen where it states they have an easier life and better standard of nutrition than their agrarian neighbors, but the bushmen are shorter.

lets consider a fight, I am bigger and stronger, but you have six friends fighting with you and better made weapons due to specialization. who will most likely win? having orders of magnitude more calories beets out slightly better nutrition when your fielding an army. heck agriculture gives you a food surplus which means you can have a standing army, which means you win because unlike the hunter/gatherers your army do not need to stop fighting. hunter gatherers can't stay combat ready all the time because they will starve if they do not go hunt and/or gather.

[Demonatrix]

You own supplied source, clearly disproves your claim on hunter/gatherers vs agrairians.

Read the section on the Bushmen where it states they have an easier life and better standard of nutrition than their agrarian neighbors, but the bushmen are shorter.

lets consider a fight, I am bigger and stronger, but you have six friends fighting with you and better made weapons due to specialization. who will most likely win? having orders of magnitude more calories beets out slightly better nutrition when your fielding an army. heck agriculture gives you a food surplus which means you can have a standing army, which means you win because unlike the hunter/gatherers your army do not need to stop fighting. hunter gatherers can't stay combat ready all the time because they will starve if they do not go hunt and/or gather.

Quite true and quite irrelevant, the fraudulent claim was that hunter gatherers are TALLER than agrarians and that this proves the Old Testament claim of the earth having "giants" on it.

[Divine Unity]

lets consider a fight, I am bigger and stronger, but you have six friends fighting with you and better made weapons due to specialization. who will most likely win? having orders of magnitude more calories beets out slightly better nutrition when your fielding an army. heck agriculture gives you a food surplus which means you can have a standing army, which means you win because unlike the hunter/gatherers your army do not need to stop fighting. hunter gatherers can't stay combat ready all the time because they will starve if they do not go hunt and/or gather.

Quite true and quite irrelevant, the fraudulent claim was that hunter gatherers are TALLER than agrarians and that this proves the Old Testament claim of the earth having "giants" on it.

*sighs*
Why is this even an argument?

Anyway, our Biology classes taught us that height (average regional height) seems to have derived a lot more from CLIMATE than mere eating habits. Not that Eating didn't play a part, but hotter regions tended to have a need for taller skinnier people (more surface area to let heat out) while cold regions tended to be better suited for shorter fatter people.

[Kazomal]

God doesn't hate anyone.

[Divine Unity]

God doesn't hate anyone.

[Caninope]

Anyway, our Biology classes taught us that height (average regional height) seems to have derived a lot more from CLIMATE than mere eating habits. Not that Eating didn't play a part, but hotter regions tended to have a need for taller skinnier people (more surface area to let heat out) while cold regions tended to be better suited for shorter fatter people.

It has a lot to do with diet. Malnutrition stunts growth. This is why the Norse countries all have some of the tallest people on average.

[Divine Unity]

Anyway, our Biology classes taught us that height (average regional height) seems to have derived a lot more from CLIMATE than mere eating habits. Not that Eating didn't play a part, but hotter regions tended to have a need for taller skinnier people (more surface area to let heat out) while cold regions tended to be better suited for shorter fatter people.

It has a lot to do with diet. Malnutrition stunts growth. This is why the Norse countries all have some of the tallest people on average.

Yes, I acknowledge that, but I stand by my original statement.
Regardless, I don't see why we're actually debating the historical merit of the Bible...

[Sanguinthium]

Try to look at it this way: allmost all religions warn for false gods, the blieve in those obviously fake beings should be fought. If you are an agressive atheïst you are fighting all of them (and the right on too but we'll ignore that for a moment). What's better than that right? Save your soul, fight religion!

Atheists tend to believe souls don't exist, either.

the only soul is music- and that music is just blues to a piano. and it SUCKS

[Sanguinthium]

Anyway, our Biology classes taught us that height (average regional height) seems to have derived a lot more from CLIMATE than mere eating habits. Not that Eating didn't play a part, but hotter regions tended to have a need for taller skinnier people (more surface area to let heat out) while cold regions tended to be better suited for shorter fatter people.

It has a lot to do with diet. Malnutrition stunts growth. This is why the Norse countries all have some of the tallest people on average.

the Norse, being highly agrarian, therefore prove that farmers are taller than hunter gatherers. which contradicts your own point that you put forth to begin with. try again.

Quite true and quite irrelevant, the fraudulent claim was that hunter gatherers are TALLER than agrarians and that this proves the Old Testament claim of the earth having "giants" on it.

*sighs*
Why is this even an argument?

Anyway, our Biology classes taught us that height (average regional height) seems to have derived a lot more from CLIMATE than mere eating habits. Not that Eating didn't play a part, but hotter regions tended to have a need for taller skinnier people (more surface area to let heat out) while cold regions tended to be better suited for shorter fatter people.

which is also why us nords tend to have a little blubber around the middle!

[Sanguinthium]

God doesn't hate anyone.

Oh, Really?

Babylonian priest (or whoever they stole the story from) wants a story to scare the peasants with, remembers the guy who lived in the next house when the priest was a kid, who kept his goats on a raft during the annual 4 ft river flood, so he wouldnt have to share the roof of his house with them.

Priest inflates story to a really big raft, with loads of goats not just two, and a really big flood, then uses this to scare the city folk at the temple he works at into being extra pius and extra generous with the priests free lunch offerings to the gods.

Jewish tourist steals myth for use in own tribe.

Yeah ... no. I'll stick with my theory. A story where the gods are sorry they did it isn't terribly scary. The god of the Hebrews actually promised not to do it again, and the gods and goddesses of Sumeria were perishing of hunger.

NEWSFLASH: He intends to do it again (revelation)

[Divine Unity]

It has a lot to do with diet. Malnutrition stunts growth. This is why the Norse countries all have some of the tallest people on average.

the Norse, being highly agrarian, therefore prove that farmers are taller than hunter gatherers. which contradicts your own point that you put forth to begin with. try again.

*sighs*
Why is this even an argument?

Anyway, our Biology classes taught us that height (average regional height) seems to have derived a lot more from CLIMATE than mere eating habits. Not that Eating didn't play a part, but hotter regions tended to have a need for taller skinnier people (more surface area to let heat out) while cold regions tended to be better suited for shorter fatter people.

which is also why us nords tend to have a little blubber around the middle!

Nords? Nords?!
11/11/11

[Sanguinthium]

the Norse, being highly agrarian, therefore prove that farmers are taller than hunter gatherers. which contradicts your own point that you put forth to begin with. try again.



which is also why us nords tend to have a little blubber around the middle!

Nords? Nords?!
11/11/11

you sir, are by far the most badass priest or priest in training or whatever. SKYRIM!
im not sure if thats the proper term, but i know norse only refers to one nation, of 4.

[Dyakovo]

Atheist don't really exist anyway, they're just agnostics that followed statistics 101.

Fail.

[United low territories]

Atheist don't really exist anyway, they're just agnostics that followed statistics 101.

Fail.

You know, some people use arguments when they say other people are wrong.

[New Rogernomics]

Atheist don't really exist anyway, they're just agnostics that followed statistics 101.

Fail.

ULT is probably trolling, but I don't hang around here much.

[Johz]

Fail.

You know, some people use arguments when they say other people are wrong.

Gotta admit, that was rather amusing...

[United low territories]

Fail.

ULT is probably trolling, but I don't hang around here much.

And some people don't talk about others like they haven't posted the message before them.

My point is that here are very few people who are absolutely convinced that there is no god because for instance they read it in a book and therefor it must be true. By far most atheïsts come to their viewpoint by understanding how astronomicaly small the odds are that the entire universe was created for us by what essentially is superman.

But hey, it's always easier to get someone warned for trolling than to take them serious right. Why do you guys in that case even respond to me?

[Dyakovo]

Fail.

You know, some people use arguments when they say other people are wrong.

Not all athiests are agnostic.
Writing "fail" was a quicker and easier response to a stupid statement.
Oh, and not all agnostics are atheists. Hell, agnostic doesn't even answer the same question.

[Distruzio]

Yeah, but a dead god that just revives from the dead isn't really dead.

Indeed. And what's the big deal about rising from the dead? There were plenty of gods in the old days who did that, and some of them on a regular basis in the Spring.

Well, according to Orthodox theology, Christ didn't merely die on the cross. He entered Hell itself and sundered the gates. He defeated deaths grip on humanity. He undid the damage that Adam did, being the second Adam as He is. Hence the saying that "in Christ one lives eternal?" The thing that made Christianity unique among the ancient rise from death interpretations was that God is Christ and Christ is man. None of the other faiths made that claim. They each maintained that man could not be God and man at the same time. Christianity differs, in that regard. Or, at least, Orthodoxy does.

---

Fun fact, of all the sects of Christianity, aside from the Catholics, Anglicans and Methodists, only the Mormons approximate the theosis that Orthodoxy proclaims is the purpose of life - although their interpretation on it is.... odd.

[New Rogernomics]

ULT is probably trolling, but I don't hang around here much.

And some people don't talk about others like they haven't posted the message before them.

My point is that here are very few people who are absolutely convinced that there is no god because for instance they read it in a book and therefor it must be true. By far most atheïsts come to their viewpoint by understanding how astronomicaly small the odds are that the entire universe was created for us by what essentially is superman.

But hey, it's always easier to get someone warned for trolling* than to take them serious right. Why do you guys in that case even respond to me?

I am an atheist, but it wasn't astronomical data, reading the bible, or personal experience that made me come to that decision, but the fact religion has never been a part of my life and I have never sought it to become part of my life. I never believed in Santa Claus or had an invisible friend either. To me the concept of a god is irrational and delusional, but to others who have spent their lives believing in a god I can see how someone not believing as they do is disconcerting.

*I haven't posted a topic in the moderation section.

[Bitchkitten]

The Christian god is vain and jealous. Probably couldn't stand the idea of someone who did't even aknowledge his exitence.