Why would god hate an athiest?

[Sanguinthium]

i saw it in your sig thought it was where you were, not a region

No, it's where I am. I'm the delegate of the region founded by members of Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas. Or whatever our full name is... Jesuit Dallas is what we go by. Sometimes Jesuit Prep.... The Prep...
Rep the Prep?

Close enough.

i sense a meme opportunity..
always did admire you jesuits dedication, with moving into totally hardcore places. i wouldnt go half the places you guys do if my life depended on it!

[Norstal]

No, it's where I am. I'm the delegate of the region founded by members of Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas. Or whatever our full name is... Jesuit Dallas is what we go by. Sometimes Jesuit Prep.... The Prep...
Rep the Prep?

Close enough.

i sense a meme opportunity..
always did admire you jesuits dedication, with moving into totally hardcore places. i wouldnt go half the places you guys do if my life depended on it!

I admire them for their inability for them to sing this song.

[Divine Unity]

No, it's where I am. I'm the delegate of the region founded by members of Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas. Or whatever our full name is... Jesuit Dallas is what we go by. Sometimes Jesuit Prep.... The Prep...
Rep the Prep?

Close enough.

i sense a meme opportunity..
always did admire you jesuits dedication, with moving into totally hardcore places. i wouldnt go half the places you guys do if my life depended on it!

Well, frankly, neither world I. Which is part of the reason I'm not going to actually be a Jesuit, but rather a Diocesan Priest.

[Caninope]

Who are we to judge God, a being infinitely more powerful and knowing than we are?

His might and knowing doesn't really prevent anyone from judging him.

Except it gives him a much different perspective on the order of things than what a mere human would have.

And to be fair, these stories were collected from older oral traditions, so they could easily be exaggerated.

Why couldn't god's might and intelligence be exaggerated as well?

I believe God is an omnipotent deity (albeit one who has left things to run, so to speak). You can't exaggerate the powers of omnipotence.

[Norstal]

His might and knowing doesn't really prevent anyone from judging him.

Except it gives him a much different perspective on the order of things than what a mere human would have.

That still doesn't prevent a person from judging him. People judge scientists all the time, even if they have more perspective than the normal layman.

That judgement could be right or wrong, but that won't prevent them from judging.

I believe God is an omnipotent deity (albeit one who has left things to run, so to speak). You can't exaggerate the powers of omnipotence.

What do you based that on other than the scriptures?

Because if you do based that belief on the scriptures, the possibility of the exaggeration is high.

[Divine Unity]

Except it gives him a much different perspective on the order of things than what a mere human would have.

That still doesn't prevent a person from judging him. People judge scientists all the time, even if they have more perspective than the normal layman.

That judgement could be right or wrong, but that won't prevent them from judging.

I believe God is an omnipotent deity (albeit one who has left things to run, so to speak). You can't exaggerate the powers of omnipotence.

What do you based that on other than the scriptures?

Because if you do based that belief on the scriptures, the possibility of the exaggeration is high.

You don't necessarily need anything besides scripture. The wonderful thing about what you believe is that it is so specific and tailor made to yourself, that you only need what you need.

That's also the big drop-off between those of ANY faith, and those of none, or those who are not sure.
I don't think most Atheists are actually positive that there ISN'T a deity. They just lack enough supporting evidence to say there is, combined with other factors...

[Caninope]

Except it gives him a much different perspective on the order of things than what a mere human would have.

That still doesn't prevent a person from judging him. People judge scientists all the time, even if they have more perspective than the normal layman.

That judgement could be right or wrong, but that won't prevent them from judging.

And I'm perfectly consistent on that; people shouldn't really resort to doing that.

I believe God is an omnipotent deity (albeit one who has left things to run, so to speak). You can't exaggerate the powers of omnipotence.

What do you based that on other than the scriptures?

Because if you do based that belief on the scriptures, the possibility of the exaggeration is high.

A mix of scripture, and personal experience leads me to believe he exists. My reasoning for calling him an omnipotent deity lies in a belief that he lies outside the universe, he is older than the universe, etc. Which makes him omnipotent, because he isn't restrained by the rules.

[Norstal]

You don't necessarily need anything besides scripture. The wonderful thing about what you believe is that it is so specific and tailor made to yourself, that you only need what you need.

Fair point. I'm just planting the seeds of doubt that Yahweh is actually omnipotent.

That's also the big drop-off between those of ANY faith, and those of none, or those who are not sure.
I don't think most Atheists are actually positive that there ISN'T a deity. They just lack enough supporting evidence to say there is, combined with other factors...

I am an agnostic atheist, but I do think that the likelihood of a deity existing is near 0%, that Occam's Razor can be applied to dispel the existence of such beings.

Besides, Mythbusters already proved God doesn't exist.

[Norstal]

That still doesn't prevent a person from judging him. People judge scientists all the time, even if they have more perspective than the normal layman.

That judgement could be right or wrong, but that won't prevent them from judging.

And I'm perfectly consistent on that; people shouldn't really resort to doing that.

I suppose I have to agree with that.

A mix of scripture, and personal experience leads me to believe he exists. My reasoning for calling him an omnipotent deity lies in a belief that he lies outside the universe, he is older than the universe, etc. Which makes him omnipotent, because he isn't restrained by the rules.

Well, yeah, that would be valid. I'm just saying that the Bible can make exaggerations on the omnipotence of Yahweh.

[Divine Unity]

And I'm perfectly consistent on that; people shouldn't really resort to doing that.

I suppose I have to agree with that.

A mix of scripture, and personal experience leads me to believe he exists. My reasoning for calling him an omnipotent deity lies in a belief that he lies outside the universe, he is older than the universe, etc. Which makes him omnipotent, because he isn't restrained by the rules.

Well, yeah, that would be valid. I'm just saying that the Bible can make exaggerations on the omnipotence of Yahweh.

I can't really see a way (or point) in arguing on that. I believe God knows everything, all that has happened, is happening, and will happen. I believe God decided to allow humanity to choose its own path (while knowing which path would be taken), entirely out of Love. There are times in your life when you've given someone a choice, known what they would choose, and let them make their decision.

[Norstal]

I suppose I have to agree with that.


Well, yeah, that would be valid. I'm just saying that the Bible can make exaggerations on the omnipotence of Yahweh.

I can't really see a way (or point) in arguing on that. I believe God knows everything, all that has happened, is happening, and will happen. I believe God decided to allow humanity to choose its own path (while knowing which path would be taken), entirely out of Love. There are times in your life when you've given someone a choice, known what they would choose, and let them make their decision.

If god is not omnipotent, you have the chance to "dethrone" God, giving humanity as a whole a higher free-will.

If not, then everything would be deterministic.

If God would really allow humanity choose its own path, that means all path must be possible. That means, He would love us so much that He would allow humanity to take God's place. So, his omnipotence is important in that, in the absence of such powers, it would actually shows that He really does love everyone he creates to the point that He would sacrifice himself by creating creatures that would rebel against Him.

Just something to think about. A believe in a non-omnipotent god gives greater emphasis of one's personal relationship with their god.

[Lunara-Lyca]

just for the record 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV) says "9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
however in Romans it begins to explain this stuff, I should also note that no part of the Bible was ever meant to be taken out of context.
Romans 1:18-32 (NIV)
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 2 (NIV)
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

[Divine Unity]

I can't really see a way (or point) in arguing on that. I believe God knows everything, all that has happened, is happening, and will happen. I believe God decided to allow humanity to choose its own path (while knowing which path would be taken), entirely out of Love. There are times in your life when you've given someone a choice, known what they would choose, and let them make their decision.

If god is not omnipotent, you have the chance to "dethrone" God, giving humanity as a whole a higher free-will.

If not, then everything would be deterministic.

If God would really allow humanity choose its own path, that means all path must be possible. That means, He would love us so much that He would allow humanity to take God's place. So, his omnipotence is important in that, in the absence of such powers, it would actually shows that He really does love everyone he creates to the point that He would sacrifice himself by creating creatures that would rebel against Him.

Just something to think about. A believe in a non-omnipotent god gives greater emphasis of one's personal relationship with their god.

He doesn't control us, but he knows what we're going to do. That's a key point.
I'm free to do whatever the hell I want, and He won't stop me. But he knows what I'm going to do.

[Divine Unity]

just for the record 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV) says "9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
however in Romans it begins to explain this stuff, I should also note that no part of the Bible was ever meant to be taken out of context.
Romans 1:18-32 (NIV)
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 2 (NIV)
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Ok, I can go read a whole chapter of the Bible too... I think I'm missing what you were trying to say... after reading that.

[Norstal]

If god is not omnipotent, you have the chance to "dethrone" God, giving humanity as a whole a higher free-will.

If not, then everything would be deterministic.

If God would really allow humanity choose its own path, that means all path must be possible. That means, He would love us so much that He would allow humanity to take God's place. So, his omnipotence is important in that, in the absence of such powers, it would actually shows that He really does love everyone he creates to the point that He would sacrifice himself by creating creatures that would rebel against Him.

Just something to think about. A believe in a non-omnipotent god gives greater emphasis of one's personal relationship with their god.

He doesn't control us, but he knows what we're going to do. That's a key point.
I'm free to do whatever the hell I want, and He won't stop me. But he knows what I'm going to do.

So, in your view, do you think that God can be killed?

[Divine Unity]

He doesn't control us, but he knows what we're going to do. That's a key point.
I'm free to do whatever the hell I want, and He won't stop me. But he knows what I'm going to do.

So, in your view, do you think that God can be killed?

Loaded question: Jesus was. He died FOR us. Course, He also rose, and God is Three Persons (which is complicated), so I don't really know how to explain it better.

Killed again?
Probably not. He already sacrificed himself for love of us.

[Norstal]

So, in your view, do you think that God can be killed?

Loaded question: Jesus was. He died FOR us. Course, He also rose, and God is Three Persons (which is complicated), so I don't really know how to explain it better.

Killed again?
Probably not. He already sacrificed himself for love of us.

Well, I meant like, Satan being able to take over heaven or something. But I suppose that would be out the scope of any mortal's mind.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Loaded question: Jesus was. He died FOR us.

No, he died due to his own personal hangups about forgiving people without an elaborate and pointless ritual. He could have just forgiven his creations for being as flawed as he made them, but instead he had to sacrifice himself to himself in order to appease himself.

God is Three Persons (which is complicated),

In other words, Christianity is polytheistic. However, you can't admit to that, so you play silly word games to try and retain monotheism while having more than one entity.

[Caninope]

In other words, Christianity is polytheistic. However, you can't admit to that, so you play silly word games to try and retain monotheism while having more than one entity.

They are one entity, but distinct in person.

[Volkovgrad]

1) If god made everyone... and some people are athiest... then god made athiests! 2) If god loves all of his childeren... and if 1 is true ... then god loves athiests!

[Pryssilvalia]

just for the record 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV) says "9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
however in Romans it begins to explain this stuff, I should also note that no part of the Bible was ever meant to be taken out of context.
Romans 1:18-32 (NIV)
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 2 (NIV)
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Blah, blah, you're all gonna suffer in hell, blah blah, unless you give the church/synanogue/temple/whateveryoumightcallit 100$/month, blah.

[The Alma Mater]

1) If god made everyone... and some people are athiest... then god made athiests! 2) If god loves all of his childeren... and if 1 is true ... then god loves athiests!

Fritzl claimed he loved his daughter. He claimed that often, like every time he beat her, raped her, or killed one of the children that had resulted from him raping her.

"Love" is a funny word. Someone saying they "love you" might not mean what you think it means.

[Aesthetica]

Oh dear, where to start...

There is no evidence of the Hebrew Tribes being slaves in egypt, or even BEING in egypt. There are some traces of hebrew miners being employed on the border of egypt, but not untill well after their arrival in Caanan. The only 'link' betwwen the Hebrews and the Hyksos, is that the egyptians called the hyksos 'shepherd kings' which seems somewhat tenuous, especially bearing the comparative timeline in mind.

There's still much to be uncovered about Ancient Egypt.

"Shit, the athiest bitch knows more about Ancient Egypt than I do, erm, erm, make off hand dismissive remark suggesting that the evidence for my crap does exist, it just hasn't been found yet..."

Thank you, I accept your concession of defeat on that point...

The Babylonians deported a large number of Hebrews to their empire as slaves, where according to Hebrew scholars of Biblical Hebrew in modern Israel, the story of exodus was INVENTED during the 70 odd years of captivity. The Religion that WROTE Exodus say it's a feelgood propaganda LIE...

Would you like to source that?

I don't exclusivly use googled web sources, so I don't have a link for you, but, you could try asking the relevant scholars at the universities in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv...

The OT does IMPLY a flat earth, passages referring to it having 4 corners (approximate spheres generally don't have many corners) and all of it being visible from the top of a high mountain, can't do that on a globe...

Here is a good response to your argument.

What did I tell you about using low IQ bible-belt apologetics websites written by one unqualified man to promote his book sales, tektonics agan...

Lets sum up his arguent
"Gawd new the earth wus a sphere, so his profits new it too, but hebrew aint got no wurd for sphere, that why they dunt use the sphere wurd, tho they di hav a wurd fur round..."

Look, TG Divine Unity, he studies with Jesuits, he's bond to have a good quality Apologetics website you can use, one written by people with IQ's larger than their hat size.

Ah the old "Shit my magic book is wrong and my religion looks stupid, better cover my as here and make desperate claims that Genesis isn't the story of Creation (even though I just sorta claimed it was) but is actually late neolithic history and perfectly valid..." ploy...

Wow, I'm so scared of your reasoning skills...

Love the perfect response to what I said, right there.

But you still don't actually have any real evidence or facts do you, laughing boy...

It says day, are you calling the Bible a liar? That old "a day isnt a day, its a variable time period that varies according to how much crap I'm talking trying to refute science..." line cuts no ice with me either, sorry 0/10 for effort.

I'm not trying to refute science, but you can hardly have a solar day without a sun.

So, we can't have a measured period of time without the sun... Not even going to bother arguing with that rubbish.

No, reading it in context suggests Adam named a bunch of animals, then god tells Adam to look them over for one suitable to use as a girlfriend, but Adam didn't fancy any of them, so god made him a girlfriend while he slept...

Except that if you read the passage, it says helper. I wonder why animals were domesticated.

Read the crap before claiming to know it's 'context'

I did.

Really, so the term used to describe Eve, adams wife is the same as the term used to describe an animal, wrong answer, Adam is asked to choose a 'helpmeet' and refuses ALL the animals, so god makes Eve s the 'helpmeet'

The only way that passage could be claimed to refer to domestication of animals is if the only animal domesticated is 'woman'.

So now you are a sexist as well as a racist and heightist, speaking of which...

That line wins you the Atheist Cadre Lifetime Achievement Award for promotion of Weapons Grade Theist Ignorance.

It is not only factually incorrect but quite possible racist, and heightist...

Except they were. There are many reasons to switch from hunter gathering to farming, but a better diet and better nutrition isn't one.

I said nothing about nutrition, I was referring to your racist heightist crap in support of 'biblical giants'

Let's see what your 'source' has to say on giants...

"One straight forward example of what paleopathologists have learned from skeletons concerns historical changes in height. Skeletons from Greece and Turkey show that the average height of hunger-gatherers toward the end of the ice ages was a generous 5' 9'' for men, 5' 5'' for women. With the adoption of agriculture, height crashed, and by 3000 B. C. had reached a low of only 5' 3'' for men, 5' for women. By classical times heights were very slowly on the rise again, but modern Greeks and Turks have still not regained the average height of their distant ancestors."

Oh I'm impressed, especially since it also mentions Kalahari bushmen, in the paper, a tribe not noted for their gigantic stature...

Apparently you think they are too short to be hunter gatherers...

When asked if we are to believe in a boat made of gopher wood, some 450 ft (300 cubits, about 1.5 ft to the cubit) could have been built by one man and his 3 sons, a design which when judged by it's size alone would have suffered from just about every problem of maritime engineering except "squat", you reply...

Hatshepshut's barge was built in 1500 BC and would have been approximately the same size, yet it was seaworthy.

Sorry, but half the size, and river worthy... do try to get it right...
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/riverboats.htm

... despite the fact that the timeline is once again out by a millennium or 3.

It's not really outside of the timeline, considering no timeline was really ever gave.

That's because you don't give facts because you don't have any... The timeline is given by the people who study proto-semitic, as in a millennium or 3 before your scruffy nomadic sheep herders god supposedly sent the flood...

In reply to a biblical claim from Leviticus 11:3 you reply...*snip*

Or maybe it might have something to do with less words in ancient languages than today, and the fact that a scholar isn't a biology expert.

The concordance links I posted were to all four of the 'insect names' in the original hebrew, I think they had enough words to clearly show that the bible supports at least 4 species of insect having 4 legs... which makes the bible wrong, get over it.

Ah the good old "Every culture on earth has a flood myth so that proves the global flood was true and god exists" routine, so nice to see a new approach to apologetics [/yawn]

More like, "Hey a major flood appeared!"

Problem is, there is no evidence for a global flood, many peoples who do have flood myths don't have the same one, and some have really wild ones like the Egyptian one where mankind is SAVED by the flood, from a rampaging goddess, because the other gods spiked the flood with heavenly super beer and turned up the thermostat on the sun so the genocidal bitch would get thirsty while chopping people in half, and stop for a drink, pass out and then they could disarm her and drag her ass back to heaven...

That would hold so much more weight if I hadn't have said "Near East."

Ohhhhhhhh, right...... There was this Major Flood that JUST covered the entire middle east, ahhhhh thats different...
And a complete pile of crap...

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THERE IS EVIDENCE ON MOUNT SIANAI OF THE ARK, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT WELL READ INTO THE STORY. GO just GO away. of the ark we have evidence, of Jesus we have evidence

Oh here we go again, Mount Sinai, except it's Mt. Ararat which one, there are at least two...

Hmm, judging from the grammar, use of capslock, etc., I'll assume you mean the one in turkey, with the hanging glacial valley, tht a well known pseudo-archeologist "bible scientist", Ron "the liar" made a discovery channel documentary about using a home movie camera and a wooden box with a volt meter on the side, which he claimed was "geophysics detector" that proved that Noah's Ark had landed there...

He claimed he knew it was the ark because it was TWICE the size of the ark listed in the bible (to silence those damn atheists who go on about fitting all the animals in) and had a frame made of iron...

No wooden planked iron frames or traces of such have been found on that mountain by anyone.

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ARE YE STALKIN' ME?
It's not worth the effort, I'm not that exciting.

We know...[/covert surveillance]