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by Sanguinthium » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:43 am
by Genivaria » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:02 am
Divine Unity wrote:Aesthetica wrote:
You know, jewish bloke, lived in the middle east, nailed up by the Romans... Oh whats his name, tip of my tongue...
Cheesus? Jebus? something like that, suprised you havn't heard of him... Dead famous, oh and dead...
Bluth also said "don't confuse Jesus with the Christ", so I'm surprised you didn't read that.
by Dyakovo » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:03 am
by Aesthetica » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:04 am
by Farnhamia » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:07 am
by Sanguinthium » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:11 am
by Aesthetica » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:15 am
by Bluth Corporation » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:16 am
by Andaluciae » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:17 am
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Divine Unity » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:18 am
Sanguinthium wrote:Divine Unity wrote:
I've already covered this. It's rather pointless to keep making the same argument when I already told you what my Church teaches.
True, there are other christian churches that do things differently, but there isn't much point in continuing to say how violent it is and how I can't ignore it.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm looking at it as a parable, a story, NOT a historically accurate series of documents.
if that is so, mister priest in training, why is it written as a historically accurate series of events/letters?
by Aesthetica » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:21 am
by Andaluciae » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:31 am
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Aesthetica » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:48 am
by Farnhamia » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:53 am
by Andaluciae » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:02 pm
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Divine Unity » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:19 pm
Andaluciae wrote:Farnhamia wrote:The entertainment side of Fox isn't bad. It's the Fox News Metwork you want to stay away from.
Yeah. Fox as a whole is an entirely different entity from Fox News. I would hardly day AD toes the republican party line, given that it starts off with a major character being arrested for a variety of white collar crimes.
by Aesthetica » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:24 pm
Divine Unity wrote:Andaluciae wrote:
Yeah. Fox as a whole is an entirely different entity from Fox News. I would hardly day AD toes the republican party line, given that it starts off with a major character being arrested for a variety of white collar crimes.
As much as I love Fox entertainment, this conversation is going off the rails....
by Divine Unity » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:29 pm
Aesthetica wrote:Divine Unity wrote:
As much as I love Fox entertainment, this conversation is going off the rails....
Nah we're just killing time while we wait for a Theist to tell us why we should fear the sky-daddy...
And I don't object to Fox comedies because of fox news, just because I dont find them funny as a rule, or most americn comedy for that matter. Only two american comedies that really make me laugh are 'big bang' and that episode of friends where cox had her head shoved up a turkey's bottom...
So where are all the theists tonight anyway...
by Aesthetica » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:38 pm
Divine Unity wrote:Aesthetica wrote:
Nah we're just killing time while we wait for a Theist to tell us why we should fear the sky-daddy...
And I don't object to Fox comedies because of fox news, just because I dont find them funny as a rule, or most americn comedy for that matter. Only two american comedies that really make me laugh are 'big bang' and that episode of friends where cox had her head shoved up a turkey's bottom...
So where are all the theists tonight anyway...
I'm not really sure...
Is there much left to debate?
I've made my argument, the rest of the world has made theirs...
Unless someone comes in here and starts arguing in favor of all Atheists burning in hell, the arguments feel rather exhausted.
Do you feel that way as well?
by Vexpold » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:50 pm
by Costa Liber » Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:07 pm
Archnar wrote:People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.
I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.
by Sanguinthium » Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:27 pm
Costa Liber wrote:Archnar wrote:People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.
I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.
God kinda seems like a psycho stalker, "she doesn't even know i exist."
by Caninope » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:46 pm
Aesthetica wrote:Caninope wrote:If God finds nothing wrong with it, I do not. But sin is punishment and a crime; sin is separation from God. Any time spent not in heaven, so to speak, is a punishment.
So time spent alive, which is time not spent in Heaven, is a 'punishment'...
You believe in a god who punishes his creations from the moment they are born, before they have a chance to do anything to earn that punishment?
Your god is a sadistic insecure bully, I wouldn't worship it even if it existed.
Our creator.
Prove that if you can before expecting that line to carry any weight with us.
Oh dear, where to start...
There is no evidence of the Hebrew Tribes being slaves in egypt, or even BEING in egypt. There are some traces of hebrew miners being employed on the border of egypt, but not untill well after their arrival in Caanan. The only 'link' betwwen the Hebrews and the Hyksos, is that the egyptians called the hyksos 'shepherd kings' which seems somewhat tenuous, especially bearing the comparative timeline in mind.
The Babylonians deported a large number of Hebrews to their empire as slaves, where according to Hebrew scholars of Biblical Hebrew in modern Israel, the story of exodus was INVENTED during the 70 odd years of captivity. The Religion that WROTE Exodus say it's a feelgood propaganda LIE...
The OT does IMPLY a flat earth, passages referring to it having 4 corners (approximate spheres generally don't have many corners) and all of it being visible from the top of a high mountain, can't do that on a globe...
"Hey sol, look at this thing I caught, what is it, is it a bird?"
"No Avram, birds have feathers n such, thats more like a mouse with leather flappy bits..."
So plants are bacteria? Go study some science.
Ah the old "Shit my magic book is wrong and my religion looks stupid, better cover my as here and make desperate claims that Genesis isn't the story of Creation (even though I just sorta claimed it was) but is actually late neolithic history and perfectly valid..." ploy...
Wow, I'm so scared of your reasoning skills...
It says day, are you calling the Bible a liar? That old "a day isnt a day, its a variable time period that varies according to how much crap I'm talking trying to refute science..." line cuts no ice with me either, sorry 0/10 for effort.
No, reading it in context suggests Adam named a bunch of animals, then god tells Adam to look them over for one suitable to use as a girlfriend, but Adam didn't fancy any of them, so god made him a girlfriend while he slept...
Read the crap before claiming to know it's 'context'
Well, hunter gatherers were actually larger than their agricultural counterparts, I might add.
That line wins you the Atheist Cadre Lifetime Achievement Award for promotion of Weapons Grade Theist Ignorance.
It is not only factually incorrect but quite possible racist, and heightist...
When asked if we are to believe in a boat made of gopher wood, some 450 ft (300 cubits, about 1.5 ft to the cubit) could have been built by one man and his 3 sons, a design which when judged by it's size alone would have suffered from just about every problem of maritime engineering except "squat", you reply...
It was probably referring the Proto-Semitic language.
... despite the fact that the timeline is once again out by a millennium or 3.
In reply to a biblical claim from Leviticus 11:3 you reply...*snip*
Ah the good old "Every culture on earth has a flood myth so that proves the global flood was true and god exists" routine, so nice to see a new approach to apologetics [/yawn]
Problem is, there is no evidence for a global flood, many peoples who do have flood myths don't have the same one, and some have really wild ones like the Egyptian one where mankind is SAVED by the flood, from a rampaging goddess, because the other gods spiked the flood with heavenly super beer and turned up the thermostat on the sun so the genocidal bitch would get thirsty while chopping people in half, and stop for a drink, pass out and then they could disarm her and drag her ass back to heaven...
Cyrus the Great, founder of the Persian Empire, conquered the Babylonians (and a lot of other people too), then expelled the Hebrew slaves from the place, sending them back to Judea, with a small bag of money (relative term) which they used to rebuild the Temple of Solomon, which is why they called him a Messiah...
by Farnhamia » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:02 pm
Caninope wrote:Aesthetica wrote:
So time spent alive, which is time not spent in Heaven, is a 'punishment'...
You believe in a god who punishes his creations from the moment they are born, before they have a chance to do anything to earn that punishment?
Your god is a sadistic insecure bully, I wouldn't worship it even if it existed.
Who are we to judge God, a being infinitely more powerful and knowing than we are?
Prove that if you can before expecting that line to carry any weight with us.
I was under the impression that the argument we were having about the nature of God required us to accept his existence, if only for the argument.Oh dear, where to start...
There is no evidence of the Hebrew Tribes being slaves in egypt, or even BEING in egypt. There are some traces of hebrew miners being employed on the border of egypt, but not untill well after their arrival in Caanan. The only 'link' betwwen the Hebrews and the Hyksos, is that the egyptians called the hyksos 'shepherd kings' which seems somewhat tenuous, especially bearing the comparative timeline in mind.
There's still much to be uncovered about Ancient Egypt.The Babylonians deported a large number of Hebrews to their empire as slaves, where according to Hebrew scholars of Biblical Hebrew in modern Israel, the story of exodus was INVENTED during the 70 odd years of captivity. The Religion that WROTE Exodus say it's a feelgood propaganda LIE...
Would you like to source that?The OT does IMPLY a flat earth, passages referring to it having 4 corners (approximate spheres generally don't have many corners) and all of it being visible from the top of a high mountain, can't do that on a globe...
Here is a good response to your argument."Hey sol, look at this thing I caught, what is it, is it a bird?"
"No Avram, birds have feathers n such, thats more like a mouse with leather flappy bits..."
The KJV was completed in 1611. Carl Linnaeus, founder of modern taxonomy wasn't born until 1708.So plants are bacteria? Go study some science.
Never argued that. Thank you.Ah the old "Shit my magic book is wrong and my religion looks stupid, better cover my as here and make desperate claims that Genesis isn't the story of Creation (even though I just sorta claimed it was) but is actually late neolithic history and perfectly valid..." ploy...
Wow, I'm so scared of your reasoning skills...
Love the perfect response to what I said, right there.It says day, are you calling the Bible a liar? That old "a day isnt a day, its a variable time period that varies according to how much crap I'm talking trying to refute science..." line cuts no ice with me either, sorry 0/10 for effort.
I'm not trying to refute science, but you can hardly have a solar day without a sun.No, reading it in context suggests Adam named a bunch of animals, then god tells Adam to look them over for one suitable to use as a girlfriend, but Adam didn't fancy any of them, so god made him a girlfriend while he slept...
Except that if you read the passage, it says helper. I wonder why animals were domesticated.Read the crap before claiming to know it's 'context'
I did.
That line wins you the Atheist Cadre Lifetime Achievement Award for promotion of Weapons Grade Theist Ignorance.
It is not only factually incorrect but quite possible racist, and heightist...
Except they were. There are many reasons to switch from hunter gathering to farming, but a better diet and better nutrition isn't one.When asked if we are to believe in a boat made of gopher wood, some 450 ft (300 cubits, about 1.5 ft to the cubit) could have been built by one man and his 3 sons, a design which when judged by it's size alone would have suffered from just about every problem of maritime engineering except "squat", you reply...
Hatshepshut's barge was built in 1500 BC and would have been approximately the same size, yet it was seaworthy.
... despite the fact that the timeline is once again out by a millennium or 3.
It's not really outside of the timeline, considering no timeline was really ever gave.In reply to a biblical claim from Leviticus 11:3 you reply...*snip*
Or maybe it might have something to do with less words in ancient languages than today, and the fact that a scholar isn't a biology expert.Ah the good old "Every culture on earth has a flood myth so that proves the global flood was true and god exists" routine, so nice to see a new approach to apologetics [/yawn]
More like, "Hey a major flood appeared!"Problem is, there is no evidence for a global flood, many peoples who do have flood myths don't have the same one, and some have really wild ones like the Egyptian one where mankind is SAVED by the flood, from a rampaging goddess, because the other gods spiked the flood with heavenly super beer and turned up the thermostat on the sun so the genocidal bitch would get thirsty while chopping people in half, and stop for a drink, pass out and then they could disarm her and drag her ass back to heaven...
That would hold so much more weight if I hadn't have said "Near East."Cyrus the Great, founder of the Persian Empire, conquered the Babylonians (and a lot of other people too), then expelled the Hebrew slaves from the place, sending them back to Judea, with a small bag of money (relative term) which they used to rebuild the Temple of Solomon, which is why they called him a Messiah...
Not arguing that.
by Caninope » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:25 pm
Farnhamia wrote:The Pharaoh's expedition to Pwenet used five ships of about 70 ft (21 m). That's about half the size of the Ark. And the point is not so much the size as the building of it by one man and his three sons.
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