Why would god hate an athiest?

[Bluth Corporation]

Which is not a teaching compatible with those of the Christ.

I've never heard this one before. People trot out the "Jesus never preached against it" line all the time, but how can you say it's not compatible with his teachings?

Don't confuse Jesus with the Christ.

[Salandriagado]

Which is not a teaching compatible with those of the Christ.

I've never heard this one before. People trot out the "Jesus never preached against it" line all the time, but how can you say it's not compatible with his teachings?

I would advise you to ask Bluth about his beliefs regarding Christianity (it's definition in particular) before you continue this discussion. It'll save a lot of time and confusion.

[Sanguinthium]

Do you wanna bet? he approves of the Mosaic Law, man

Jesus is not necessarily the Christ, but only an imperfect manifestation of it.

There are times when Jesus was not being the Christ. This is one of those times.

so, jesus is only christ when it suits you? what if he was never christ? that suits me.

[Bluth Corporation]

And, honestly, it should probably be done outside of this thread. I bear almost all the blame for this.

I'll set up a thread specifically for this in a little while.

[Salandriagado]

Jesus is not necessarily the Christ, but only an imperfect manifestation of it.

There are times when Jesus was not being the Christ. This is one of those times.

so, jesus is only christ when it suits you? what if he was never christ? that suits me.

See my above post. Bluth uses a different definition of the word "Christian" than the one I expect you think he is using.

[Anvilonia]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

It happens because you're supposed to believe in him without evidence. Faith and all that, don't you know. See, all the evidence you need is that Yahweh says he's the One True and Only God (that is whom we're discussing, right, the god of Abraham?).

I hate to break it to you but every single religion says that same thing. That if you really and truly believe then you'll pick the Christian God/Yahweh/Any God or whatever over any other religion or deity. If every single God demands that you only choose him and that you'll burn otherwise there is no way of choosing a religion apart from what your parents tell you. If you're brought up as a devout Muslim and you "hear the word of God" you're not just going to drop everything and convert, same goes for if a Christian "hears the word of {insert any god here}". The person is most likely to keep the religion that they grew up with an believe it is the only truth while claiming the others are fallacies.
Also, if someone on the street said they were Jesus/Yahweh incarnate and that you must help them convert the world, would you believe and follow them?

[Norstal]

I've never heard this one before. People trot out the "Jesus never preached against it" line all the time, but how can you say it's not compatible with his teachings?

Don't confuse Jesus with the Christ.

Gosh darnit Bluth, just explain your religion to prevent further confusion.

[Aesthetica]

Which is not a teaching compatible with those of the Christ.

"those of the Christ?"
Whom do you refer to?

You know, jewish bloke, lived in the middle east, nailed up by the Romans... Oh whats his name, tip of my tongue...

Cheesus? Jebus? something like that, suprised you havn't heard of him... Dead famous, oh and dead...

[Salandriagado]

It happens because you're supposed to believe in him without evidence. Faith and all that, don't you know. See, all the evidence you need is that Yahweh says he's the One True and Only God (that is whom we're discussing, right, the god of Abraham?).

I hate to break it to you but every single religion says that same thing. That if you really and truly believe then you'll pick the Christian God/Yahweh/Any God or whatever over any other religion or deity. If every single God demands that you only choose him and that you'll burn otherwise there is no way of choosing a religion apart from what your parents tell you. If you're brought up as a devout Muslim and you "hear the word of God" you're not just going to drop everything and convert, same goes for if a Christian "hears the word of {insert any god here}". The person is most likely to keep the religion that they grew up with an believe it is the only truth while claiming the others are fallacies.
Also, if someone on the street said they were Jesus/Yahweh incarnate and that you must help them convert the world, would you believe and follow them?

I think you might want to fix your sarcasm detector.

[Sanguinthium]

It happens because you're supposed to believe in him without evidence. Faith and all that, don't you know. See, all the evidence you need is that Yahweh says he's the One True and Only God (that is whom we're discussing, right, the god of Abraham?).

I hate to break it to you but every single religion says that same thing. That if you really and truly believe then you'll pick the Christian God/Yahweh/Any God or whatever over any other religion or deity. If every single God demands that you only choose him and that you'll burn otherwise there is no way of choosing a religion apart from what your parents tell you. If you're brought up as a devout Muslim and you "hear the word of God" you're not just going to drop everything and convert, same goes for if a Christian "hears the word of {insert any god here}". The person is most likely to keep the religion that they grew up with an believe it is the only truth while claiming the others are fallacies.
Also, if someone on the street said they were Jesus/Yahweh incarnate and that you must help them convert the world, would you believe and follow them?

not mine Forn Siðr has two distinct tribes of gods

[Farnhamia]

You said, "if they are athiest then they belive in neither heavan or hell so there for cannot go to hell if one does not belive." That tells me that as long as I do not believe in "God" I won't be punished.

well thats whaat the atheiest think and they will get what is comeing.

So when you wrote, "if they are athiest then they belive in neither heavan or hell so there for cannot go to hell if one does not belive," were you lying? Or just not paying attention to what you were typing?

[Aesthetica]

well thats whaat the atheiest think and they will get what is comeing.

I can't point out the flaws in these posts, the red squiggly lines underneath half the words distracts me.

I don't understand why you think God would "send" you to hell because you don't know him.

Not send him, send me...

He is on your side, apparently...

[Andaluciae]

I think you're confusing materialism as a pejorative describing excessive and spiritually self-destructive attachment to possessions, and materialism as a philosophical non-supernatural worldview.

No, I edited out one too many 'quote' tags by mistake, the original introduction of 'material' into this thread was by a theist re the idea that being alive and in the material world was 'bad'

This lead to a spinoff series of posts about spiritual vs material...

Problem is there is no evidence of this spiritual stuff they go on about, show me an image of Nirvana taken with the Hubble space telescope, or a sample of the atmosphere in heaven collected by some high altitude meteorology equipment, tell me the chemical formula for a soul...

Where is the evidence for any of this stuff they claim is 'better' than life in the real world?

Nooooo...

I argued that excess material attachment is viewed, by several faiths, as being derogatory to ones spiritual well being. Even a collection of non-theistic philosophies have held such an assumption. Whether it is classical stoicism as expressed by Aurelius, amongst others.

[Anvilonia]

I hate to break it to you but every single religion says that same thing. That if you really and truly believe then you'll pick the Christian God/Yahweh/Any God or whatever over any other religion or deity. If every single God demands that you only choose him and that you'll burn otherwise there is no way of choosing a religion apart from what your parents tell you. If you're brought up as a devout Muslim and you "hear the word of God" you're not just going to drop everything and convert, same goes for if a Christian "hears the word of {insert any god here}". The person is most likely to keep the religion that they grew up with an believe it is the only truth while claiming the others are fallacies.
Also, if someone on the street said they were Jesus/Yahweh incarnate and that you must help them convert the world, would you believe and follow them?

I think you might want to fix your sarcasm detector.

I imported repair parts a week a go and they're still not here.

[Polruan]

not mine Forn Siðr has two distinct tribes of gods

presumably in one of them it's Thor that controls the lightning, in the other it's static discharge from an electrical buildup in the clouds. Or possibly the almighty, the munificent Michael Fish

[Andaluciae]

Which is why the Catholic Church is such a powerful representative of humanity as a whole. A clearly human institution, with the standard human flaws, juxtaposed against some of the most striking positive examples of human achievement. From the Inquisition to Mother Theresa, from the persecution of Copernicus, to the work of Mendel, the Catholic Church represents humanity fairly well, and serves as a canvas upon which we can cast our own notions of our species upon.

the bible is the most violent book ever written
Seriously.
what is so peaceful about this

you cannot ignore the entire old testament

You have obviously never read any of the Kell's legend books. I'm still recovering from those...

[Polruan]

Someone should do a comparative study of the Book of Joshua and Blood Meridian in terms of violence

[Aesthetica]

well thats whaat the atheiest think and they will get what is comeing.

So when you wrote, "if they are athiest then they belive in neither heavan or hell so there for cannot go to hell if one does not belive," were you lying? Or just not paying attention to what you were typing?

Fixed...

[Sanguinthium]

not mine Forn Siðr has two distinct tribes of gods

presumably in one of them it's Thor that controls the lightning, in the other it's static discharge from an electrical buildup in the clouds. Or possibly the almighty, the munificent Michael Fish

wow, not nice bro
actually, its the Aesir and the Vanir. a group of about 12 deities total.

[Sanguinthium]

the bible is the most violent book ever written
Seriously.
what is so peaceful about this

you cannot ignore the entire old testament

You have obviously never read any of the Kell's legend books. I'm still recovering from those...

who? 0-0 never heard of him

[Aesthetica]

No, I edited out one too many 'quote' tags by mistake, the original introduction of 'material' into this thread was by a theist re the idea that being alive and in the material world was 'bad'

This lead to a spinoff series of posts about spiritual vs material...

Problem is there is no evidence of this spiritual stuff they go on about, show me an image of Nirvana taken with the Hubble space telescope, or a sample of the atmosphere in heaven collected by some high altitude meteorology equipment, tell me the chemical formula for a soul...

Where is the evidence for any of this stuff they claim is 'better' than life in the real world?

Nooooo...

I argued that excess material attachment is viewed, by several faiths, as being derogatory to ones spiritual well being. Even a collection of non-theistic philosophies have held such an assumption. Whether it is classical stoicism as expressed by Aurelius, amongst others.

Please bear in mind that I consider the Stoics to be a bunch of lazy fun hating old farts, sitting around in the sun trying to think about what to think about, while waiting for a servant to bring them their lunches...

[Andaluciae]

You have obviously never read any of the Kell's legend books. I'm still recovering from those...

who? 0-0

I was making a joke.

Last winter, Barnes and Noble did this whole 1 free book a week on Nook. One of those books was called Kell's Legend. Wild, insane, violence fiesta. Never claim a book is more violent than that trilogy, because, holy Fuck, non-stop axes, swords, stone lions, vampire cyborgs...it was fucking insane.

[Sanguinthium]

who? 0-0

I was making a joke.

Last winter, Barnes and Noble did this whole 1 free book a week on Nook. One of those books was called Kell's Legend. Wild, insane, violence fiesta. Never claim a book is more violent than that trilogy, because, holy Fuck, non-stop axes, swords, stone lions, vampire cyborgs...it was fucking insane.

vampire... cyborgs? im now questioning how this guy got published..
but dont forget the book of joshua depicts ethnic cleansing, and gods total killcount is around 100,000 people.

[Aesthetica]

presumably in one of them it's Thor that controls the lightning, in the other it's static discharge from an electrical buildup in the clouds. Or possibly the almighty, the munificent Michael Fish

wow, not nice bro
actually, its the Aesir and the Vanir. a group of about 12 deities total.

As in one group has a god of warriors, and the other a god of war... two pantheons intermingled, each from a slightly different proto germanic source, possibly derived from tales of bronze age diplomatic union against a common enemy...

Quite interesting, I keep meaning to find time to read up on it, but you know how it goes...

[Farnhamia]

It happens because you're supposed to believe in him without evidence. Faith and all that, don't you know. See, all the evidence you need is that Yahweh says he's the One True and Only God (that is whom we're discussing, right, the god of Abraham?).

I hate to break it to you but every single religion says that same thing. That if you really and truly believe then you'll pick the Christian God/Yahweh/Any God or whatever over any other religion or deity. If every single God demands that you only choose him and that you'll burn otherwise there is no way of choosing a religion apart from what your parents tell you. If you're brought up as a devout Muslim and you "hear the word of God" you're not just going to drop everything and convert, same goes for if a Christian "hears the word of {insert any god here}". The person is most likely to keep the religion that they grew up with an believe it is the only truth while claiming the others are fallacies.
Also, if someone on the street said they were Jesus/Yahweh incarnate and that you must help them convert the world, would you believe and follow them?

Not really. The only exclusionist monotheisms I know of - in the West, anyway - are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The Abrahamic religions, that is, the ones who follow Yahweh. The priests of Zeus didn't care if you also sacrificed to Athena; Innana didn't care if you dropped off a little gift at my temple. Yahweh is the only one who demands that you worship him and him alone, and whose followers have the gall to declare that all other deities don't exist.