Why would god hate an athiest?

[Vazdania]

ALSO a metaphor. Let the Physical Body represent a glove...What lets that glove become active and uselful? Something needs to fit within the glove in order for it to move and work! that my dear friends is a hand! The hand in this case represents a spirit.
We need something to animate our physical bodies.

That metaphor is illogical. Our bodies are far more complicated than a simple glove, and we know the intricacies of what makes us tick. Most of it, anyway. A better comparison, if we must make one, would be an automation, a self operating machine.

Also, as to the "bless you" nonsense, other words regarding the same feeling of "Feel better" or "Don't worry, no one was bothered by that" or whatnot are fine substitutes. I believe someone mentioned "Gesundheit".

NO NO!!!it is "nothing happens after you die" to all atheists

[Ceannairceach]

That metaphor is illogical. Our bodies are far more complicated than a simple glove, and we know the intricacies of what makes us tick. Most of it, anyway. A better comparison, if we must make one, would be an automation, a self operating machine.

not really. This makes sense. our physical body can be related to a glove. Why cant it?

Because a glove is not intricate enough, and unlike a glove, a human can and does operate on its own. We process the resources we need on our own, we perform homeostasis on our own, and so on and so forth. No current evidence shows that we have some puppet-master doing all of this for us. We are biological automatons, not limp pieces of fabric or material.

[Ceannairceach]

That metaphor is illogical. Our bodies are far more complicated than a simple glove, and we know the intricacies of what makes us tick. Most of it, anyway. A better comparison, if we must make one, would be an automation, a self operating machine.

Also, as to the "bless you" nonsense, other words regarding the same feeling of "Feel better" or "Don't worry, no one was bothered by that" or whatnot are fine substitutes. I believe someone mentioned "Gesundheit".

NO NO!!!it is "nothing happens after you die" to all atheists

...So basically you're mad because atheists don't fit the bill of angry, misanthropic devils? Good to know. Do you even know why its common for us westerners to respond to a sneeze?

[Vazdania]

not really. This makes sense. our physical body can be related to a glove. Why cant it?

Because a glove is not intricate enough, and unlike a glove, a human can and does operate on its own. We process the resources we need on our own, we perform homeostasis on our own, and so on and so forth. No current evidence shows that we have some puppet-master doing all of this for us. We are biological automatons, not limp pieces of fabric or material.

no no...The physical body, can represent a glove..lets say you cut off one of the fingers of the glove. The glove thereafter is useless. similary if we took out our brain we would be useless
or..say again we cut off a finger of the glove it becomes LESS effective than it did before, similarly cut an arm off a person, they become less effective at typing and other things

[Avenio]

similary if we took out our brain we would be useless

So the brain is 'in control' of the body, not the spirit? Glad you agree.

[Vazdania]

NO NO!!!it is "nothing happens after you die" to all atheists

...So basically you're mad because atheists don't fit the bill of angry, misanthropic devils? Good to know. Do you even know why its common for us westerners to respond to a sneeze?

not mad at all...just making sure I accomadate all of you. there are conflicting origins of the "bless you"....some say it originated with the nuns who were to bless people after they sneezed becuase the devil could then invade the body...others say it was to stop disease from entering the body......so really we could say bless you because one of the many origins

[Vazdania]

similary if we took out our brain we would be useless

So the brain is 'in control' of the body, not the spirit? Glad you agree.

contol center of the PHYSICAL body...without our spirit we could not function...nor could we function with only a brain and spirit for very long XD
Body-Mind-Spirit

if any of these are not active then we are DEAD just DEAD not part of the Physical world anymore

[Ceannairceach]

Because a glove is not intricate enough, and unlike a glove, a human can and does operate on its own. We process the resources we need on our own, we perform homeostasis on our own, and so on and so forth. No current evidence shows that we have some puppet-master doing all of this for us. We are biological automatons, not limp pieces of fabric or material.

no no...The physical body, can represent a glove..lets say you cut off one of the fingers of the glove. The glove thereafter is useless. similary if we took out our brain we would be useless
or..say again we cut off a finger of the glove it becomes LESS effective than it did before, similarly cut an arm off a person, they become less effective at typing and other things

Fingerless gloves beg to differ. Also, an ineffectual comparison. A person with one arm cut off can and still acts without a puppet-master. He is not controlled or worn, like a glove.

[Ceannairceach]

So the brain is 'in control' of the body, not the spirit? Glad you agree.

contol center of the PHYSICAL body...without our spirit we could not function...nor could we function with only a brain and spirit for very long XD

I've functioned without a spirit all my life, unless you can prove differently.

[Vazdania]

no no...The physical body, can represent a glove..lets say you cut off one of the fingers of the glove. The glove thereafter is useless. similary if we took out our brain we would be useless
or..say again we cut off a finger of the glove it becomes LESS effective than it did before, similarly cut an arm off a person, they become less effective at typing and other things

Fingerless gloves beg to differ. Also, an ineffectual comparison. A person with one arm cut off can and still acts without a puppet-master. He is not controlled or worn, like a glove.

you miss my point. I am saying a person with an arm cut off is not as "effective" as a person with both arms. similarly a glove with a finger cut off is not as effective as a whole glove.

[Demonatrix]

oh, I couldnt do that..because your religion of science doesnt have room for anything that isn't accepted by science. If I saw a sky pixie im oviously insane SOOOOO Lets not talk about them since they obviously dont exist.

so you are in favor of me saying "Nothing happens when you die" rather than "bless you" HMM I might just start sying that then

ALSO a metaphor. Let the Physical Body represent a glove...What lets that glove become active and uselful? Something needs to fit within the glove in order for it to move and work! that my dear friends is a hand! The hand in this case represents a spirit.
We need something to animate our physical bodies.

1. Atheism is not a religion
2. Science is not a religion
3. "Achoo" "nothing happens when you die!" "thank you"... Seriously, dont be ridiculous. I'm more likely to say "dont sneeze on me you diseased christer, take your epidemic somewhere else..."
4. Assume the body is a biological organism, not a glove. Since it's not a glove, no need for the invisible spirit hand up your arse telling you what to do...


Prove the existance of 'spirits/souls' before claiming we need them.

[Avenio]

contol center of the PHYSICAL body...without our spirit we could not function...nor could we function with only a brain and spirit for very long XD

So by what mechanism does this 'spirit' control the body? And how is it that something that is utterly intangible can be so easily affected by physical substances?

[Ceannairceach]

...So basically you're mad because atheists don't fit the bill of angry, misanthropic devils? Good to know. Do you even know why its common for us westerners to respond to a sneeze?

not mad at all...just making sure I accomadate all of you. there are conflicting origins of the "bless you"....some say it originated with the nuns who were to bless people after they sneezed becuase the devil could then invade the body...others say it was to stop disease from entering the body......so really we could say bless you because one of the many origins

Wrong on all accounts, because I said "respond when one sneezes", not "bless you". Its because, in many ancient societies, people thought the body was near death when one sneezed. So, they would say "health", or when Christianity and other such religions purported a good, savior god, "bless you". Why not simply say "health," "salud", "gesundheit", or any variation?

[Ceannairceach]

Fingerless gloves beg to differ. Also, an ineffectual comparison. A person with one arm cut off can and still acts without a puppet-master. He is not controlled or worn, like a glove.

you miss my point. I am saying a person with an arm cut off is not as "effective" as a person with both arms. similarly a glove with a finger cut off is not as effective as a whole glove.

Ah, so you are saying a body can function without a spirit, as a person can without an arm and a glove can without a finger?

[Vazdania]

contol center of the PHYSICAL body...without our spirit we could not function...nor could we function with only a brain and spirit for very long XD

I've functioned without a spirit all my life, unless you can prove differently.

yes...you have...I say you put to much faith into science to explain everything...science like every other human invention is flawed
also...we give off energy as heat right? would not a spiritual body give off energy in the form XXX?

[Vazdania]

you miss my point. I am saying a person with an arm cut off is not as "effective" as a person with both arms. similarly a glove with a finger cut off is not as effective as a whole glove.

Ah, so you are saying a body can function without a spirit, as a person can without an arm and a glove can without a finger?

-_- gloves cannot be animated without a hand in any state

[Vazdania]

not mad at all...just making sure I accomadate all of you. there are conflicting origins of the "bless you"....some say it originated with the nuns who were to bless people after they sneezed becuase the devil could then invade the body...others say it was to stop disease from entering the body......so really we could say bless you because one of the many origins

Wrong on all accounts, because I said "respond when one sneezes", not "bless you". Its because, in many ancient societies, people thought the body was near death when one sneezed. So, they would say "health", or when Christianity and other such religions purported a good, savior god, "bless you". Why not simply say "health," "salud", "gesundheit", or any variation?

because...SCIENCE tells us that the body is obviously not near death when one sneezes...so again "NOTHING HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE"

[Ceannairceach]

I've functioned without a spirit all my life, unless you can prove differently.

yes...you have...I say you put to much faith into science to explain everything...science like every other human invention is flawed
also...we give off energy as heat right? would not a spiritual body give off energy in the form XXX?

Yes, it would. And it does not, as far as we know, give off energy, because it does not exist. Thank you for proving this fact.

I've been lacking a spirit long before I accepted atheism, friend. And of course science is flawed: it makes a provision about this, telling you how you can find these flaws and fix them. And since the concept of God, religion, and spirits is a human invention, they, too, are flawed, though far more so than science.

[Ceannairceach]

Ah, so you are saying a body can function without a spirit, as a person can without an arm and a glove can without a finger?

-_- gloves cannot be animated without a hand in any state

Wait, you said a glove without one of its fingers. Don't move the posts.

[Demonatrix]

So the brain is 'in control' of the body, not the spirit? Glad you agree.

contol center of the PHYSICAL body...without our spirit we could not function...nor could we function with only a brain and spirit for very long XD
Body-Mind-Spirit

if any of these are not active then we are DEAD just DEAD not part of the Physical world anymore

Fundamental flaw in your fallacy...

Christianity generally does not accept that animals have souls, and they seem to live just fine without them, not 'dead' at all...

Spirits needed to live - Auto Fail...

[/Insane Christer Glove Analogy Argument For Souls]

[Ceannairceach]

Wrong on all accounts, because I said "respond when one sneezes", not "bless you". Its because, in many ancient societies, people thought the body was near death when one sneezed. So, they would say "health", or when Christianity and other such religions purported a good, savior god, "bless you". Why not simply say "health," "salud", "gesundheit", or any variation?

because...SCIENCE tells us that the body is obviously not near death when one sneezes...so again "NOTHING HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE"

What does that have to do with sneezing, exactly? It sounds like the person saying that is more a pompous ass who wants to offend you more than anything.

[Vazdania]

oh, I couldnt do that..because your religion of science doesnt have room for anything that isn't accepted by science. If I saw a sky pixie im oviously insane SOOOOO Lets not talk about them since they obviously dont exist.

so you are in favor of me saying "Nothing happens when you die" rather than "bless you" HMM I might just start sying that then

ALSO a metaphor. Let the Physical Body represent a glove...What lets that glove become active and uselful? Something needs to fit within the glove in order for it to move and work! that my dear friends is a hand! The hand in this case represents a spirit.
We need something to animate our physical bodies.

1. Atheism is not a religion
2. Science is not a religion
3. "Achoo" "nothing happens when you die!" "thank you"... Seriously, dont be ridiculous. I'm more likely to say "dont sneeze on me you diseased christer, take your epidemic somewhere else..."
4. Assume the body is a biological organism, not a glove. Since it's not a glove, no need for the invisible spirit hand up your arse telling you what to do...


Prove the existance of 'spirits/souls' before claiming we need them.

1.) Athiesm is the disbelief in a god or gods
2.) its a beleif system...there is no doubt about this, you say it is a way to do things. but science is limited to the physical world. YOU cannot disprove anything that is not physical
3.)?
4.) the body and mind need something to function with, if the spirit leaves the body, then the physical body and mind die

[Ceannairceach]

contol center of the PHYSICAL body...without our spirit we could not function...nor could we function with only a brain and spirit for very long XD
Body-Mind-Spirit

if any of these are not active then we are DEAD just DEAD not part of the Physical world anymore

Fundamental flaw in your fallacy...

Christianity generally does not accept that animals have souls, and they seem to live just fine without them, not 'dead' at all...

Spirits needed to live - Auto Fail...

[/Insane Christer Glove Analogy Argument For Souls]

As a small threadjack for a moment, coincidentally, I lost my faith, what little was left, a few weeks after my dog died, because my priest told me dog's don't go to heaven.

[Demonatrix]

I've functioned without a spirit all my life, unless you can prove differently.

yes...you have...I say you put to much faith into science to explain everything...science like every other human invention is flawed
also...we give off energy as heat right? would not a spiritual body give off energy in the form XXX?

So you openly admit you were wrong and that Atheists can live without souls,m thank you your pointless participation in this thread is no longer required. Your argument just Auto-Failed.

[Avenio]

also...we give off energy as heat right? would not a spiritual body give off energy in the form XXX?

We'd be able to detect it. If it's in the form of electromagnetic energy, it would be a part of this spectrum. And, of course, if the spirit was a body that gave off entropy, it would have to obey the laws of physics, which has some unfortunate conclusions about how it will behave.