Furious Grandmothers wrote:Caninope wrote:Not exactly. If you take the view that something is moral because God wills it, then he is never wrong and thus infallible.
I'm sick of all these "it's moral because god wills it" "god cannot lie because he is perfect" arguments which are nothing but excuses. They point to absurdities like god can be both god and not god at the same time.
pshh. its obviously moral to sell your female children into sex slavery, because the cloud-daddy wills it to be.
Four-sided Triangles wrote:Asterdan wrote:There are plenty of good people in Hell too.
Then god didn't do a very good job setting things up, did he?I believe that all babies and children go to heaven if they die before they understand right from wrong.
Don't you believe it's your obligation to get as many souls to heaven as possible? Doesn't that mean that you should kill as many young children as you can, so that they can be guaranteed a spot in heaven, instead of risking them becoming old enough to think for themselves and possibly reject god? Shouldn't women deliberately get pregnant as often as possible in order to have as many abortions as they can? After all, every abortion is a guaranteed soul sent to heaven. So, are you against abortion? If so, then your system of reasoning is not self-consistent.And it's not his ego. It's who he is. He is perfect, because it is impossible for him to be imperfect. Heaven is perfect, so unforgiven sins cannot enter into Glory.
1. Define "perfect."
2. Explain why one can only be forgiven of sins if they accept the truth of a specific set of very hard-to-believe propositions without evidence. That's a ridiculous contingency to place upon forgiveness of sins.
3. Sins are not a substance that can attach to the person who committed wrong. Therefore, sins cannot really "enter" into heaven even if an unforgiven sinner goes there. Sins are just bad deeds. They can't be "washed" off of your body in any literal sense. Sins aren't a part of your physical makeup, so they can't really come with you when you go to heaven, because they aren't tangible things to begin with.
just thought i might add this to your argument..
imperfection cannot come from perfection; otherwise, either humans are perfect and god is perfect, or neither are perfect. that is one way to prove a universal negative (which is surprisingly easy- for example, there is no such thing as a cubic sphere, or certain Ionic configurations)
if god cannot abide sin, why did he create sin? presuming he is omnipotent and omniscient, he knows all and can do all (thus being 'perfect'). therefore, if he knows everything that will happen, he is responsible for it, as he did nothing to prevent it; hell, he CAUSED it to happen. like when he hardened the pharaohs heart so he wouldnt let the hebrews go, and then punished him for not letting the hebrews go (ending with a massive child-killing spree)
So? The universe may or may not be infinite.