Why would god hate an athiest?

[Norstal]

I'm curious, does it actually say in the Bible that we should interpret it as best as we can? I thought it was the teaching of the church.

Not that I'm against personal interpretations.

I think at the end of the bible (literally last page) it says its a sin to change any of the words in the bible, so I think that could be interpreted as you can't have your own interpretations. I think thats why no one was allowed to translate it for ages.

But I'm not Christian so I may be wrong.

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

[Johz]

The Bible ( i mean the new testament ) is not very much about sex, so the teaching of the church is pretty much strange when speaking about that.
In Churches, nearly no one speaks about that.
Some conservative believers are against homosexuals.
Some progressive believers are in favor of Gay Civil Marriage.
I'm a libertarian christian, i disapprove civil marriage in general and i don't give a fuck about what homosexuals are doing or not doing.

I'm not sure if that answers the question. It's good to do that, to have your own views, but does the Bible actually say that you can have your own interpretations? I know that in the Quran, for example, you're not supposed to do this.

It might not say you can, but it's hard not to have various interpretations on the Bible, considering the number of contradictions you can have. It's hard for most logical, coherant people to believe, for example, that the world was created on a Thursday at 5:15pm, as I'm sure someone once suggested. But then if you start taking metaphors, where does metaphor end? And does Leviticus still apply? It revolves a lot around the way society worked at the time, and would be extremely hard to bring about if the second most important rule were taken as our measurement stick: love your neighbour as yourself. Indeed, wasn't Paul told that a new testament had come, although I'm not going to find it, because, and I'm really sorry Norstal, I'm not really in the mood.

So interpretation has to exist. One's own interpretation can, presumably, be backed up by the Bible, but so can most people's, and as the same passage can mean thirty different things to ten different people, maybe that's not the decider of right and wrong.

[Johz]

I think at the end of the bible (literally last page) it says its a sin to change any of the words in the bible, so I think that could be interpreted as you can't have your own interpretations. I think thats why no one was allowed to translate it for ages.

But I'm not Christian so I may be wrong.

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

[Norstal]

I'm not sure if that answers the question. It's good to do that, to have your own views, but does the Bible actually say that you can have your own interpretations? I know that in the Quran, for example, you're not supposed to do this.

It might not say you can, but it's hard not to have various interpretations on the Bible, considering the number of contradictions you can have. It's hard for most logical, coherant people to believe, for example, that the world was created on a Thursday at 5:15pm, as I'm sure someone once suggested. But then if you start taking metaphors, where does metaphor end? And does Leviticus still apply? It revolves a lot around the way society worked at the time, and would be extremely hard to bring about if the second most important rule were taken as our measurement stick: love your neighbour as yourself. Indeed, wasn't Paul told that a new testament had come, although I'm not going to find it, because, and I'm really sorry Norstal, I'm not really in the mood.

So interpretation has to exist. One's own interpretation can, presumably, be backed up by the Bible, but so can most people's, and as the same passage can mean thirty different things to ten different people, maybe that's not the decider of right and wrong.

I guess that have to suffice. I was just wondering since the Quran, too, have the same flaws as the Bible. Yet, we don't see such a large schism in the Muslim world, which leads me to believe that the Bible does permit you to interpret it independently (seeing how the text requires a clergy or a church to do that anyways).

It might then be the reason that is of cultural origins if the Bible doesn't have such verses. Thanks anyways, Johz.

[Vectron (Ancient)]

I think at the end of the bible (literally last page) it says its a sin to change any of the words in the bible, so I think that could be interpreted as you can't have your own interpretations. I think thats why no one was allowed to translate it for ages.

But I'm not Christian so I may be wrong.

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

Found these in revelations:
22:18: I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.

22:19: If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Source: http://www.needprayer.com/bible/bible.asp
(Go to revalations, then chapter 22, its near the bottom)

[Norstal]

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

Here you go: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Then it is just as I feared. I wanted to formulate a theory why the Muslim world is so theocratic, but if it doesn't stem from their holy texts, then it must be for cultural or other reasons.

[Norstal]

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

Found these in revelations:
22:18: I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.

22:19: If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Source: http://www.needprayer.com/bible/bible.asp
(Go to revalations, then chapter 22, its near the bottom)

Alright, thanks. I got to go, so I'll read these later.

[Vectron (Ancient)]

Found these in revelations:
22:18: I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.

22:19: If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Source: http://www.needprayer.com/bible/bible.asp
(Go to revalations, then chapter 22, its near the bottom)

Alright, thanks. I got to go, so I'll read these later.

I checked out the skeptic bible too, found same thing:
22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Source: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/22.html

I guess you didn't beleive me when I said last page, anyway bye.

[Johz]

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

Here you go: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Then it is just as I feared. I wanted to formulate a theory why the Muslim world is so theocratic, but if it doesn't stem from their holy texts, then it must be for cultural or other reasons.

Much as I hate the translations the writer has chosen to use, they do have quite a nice style, don't they? I might dip in later and see what there is to shout about.

But yeah, I hate it when some anoying thing comes up that completely destroys my theories. Make a thread about it later, it is an interesting point you raise.

[Demonatrix]

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com It also has sections on the Quran and Book of Mormon too...

As for zero interpretation rights... There is 2 Peter 1:20 as well...

You might also like

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm It has a handy search engine, multiple version support, and a full concordance to the original greek and hebrew text, with a word by word translation feature, and a bible dictionary function that searches 10 separate biblical dictionaries. Oh and it's a christian run site, so no accusation of "Evil Atheist Bias"

[Sanguinthium]

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com It also has sections on the Quran and Book of Mormon too...

As for zero interpretation rights... There is 2 Peter 1:20 as well...

You might also like

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm It has a handy search engine, multiple version support, and a full concordance to the original greek and hebrew text, with a word by word translation feature, and a bible dictionary function that searches 10 separate biblical dictionaries. Oh and it's a christian run site, so no accusation of "Evil Atheist Bias"

the SAB is the greatest website ever. the book of mormon section is almost like stand-up on the absurdities

you know what i still dont get? gambling a sin; god plagues the shit out of Job to win a bet..?

[Hendrion]

I don't know, but if the supposedly all-loving Lord would punish someone for not believing, I wouldn't want to be his follower. Something that illogical and cruel isn't worth worship.

[Dyakovo]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com It also has sections on the Quran and Book of Mormon too...

As for zero interpretation rights... There is 2 Peter 1:20 as well...

You might also like

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm It has a handy search engine, multiple version support, and a full concordance to the original greek and hebrew text, with a word by word translation feature, and a bible dictionary function that searches 10 separate biblical dictionaries. Oh and it's a christian run site, so no accusation of "Evil Atheist Bias"

the SAB is the greatest website ever. the book of mormon section is almost like stand-up on the absurdities

you know what i still dont get? gambling a sin; god plagues the shit out of Job to win a bet..?

SAB would be better if it didn't use the KJV....
As to the second part, Yahweh is very much into "do as I say, not as I do"…

[Neutraligon]

Like all the other tribes God commanded the Hebrews to kill, rape, plunder.
Let us just say; in the Old Testament, love is not really in the air...

But then Jews don't really believe in hell or Satan. At least not along the lines that Christians do. The afterlife is actually not talked about in the torah. (By the way for those who think the old testament and the Torah are the same, there not). Plus Jews never claimed God was benevolent. He is the "protector of Jews and a father figure," but definitely not benevolent. Just think about the 10 plagues. What sort of benevolent god would do that sort of thing to innocents(first born).

There are a few examples of a hell like location for Jews, although it is not widely believed(as far as I know). The place is called Gehenna and all those that do sins are sent there for a limited period of time. The debate is between 49 days or 12 months. People are then able to rise to heaven. People go to Gehenna, but for many reasons. Non-believers go to Gehenna the same as believers, and the deeds of their life,good or bad, affect what happens there. In Human history there are a very limited number (4 or 5) who must remain in Gehenna.

As for atheists, since I'm not Christian I can't answer that.

[Genivaria]

Like all the other tribes God commanded the Hebrews to kill, rape, plunder.
Let us just say; in the Old Testament, love is not really in the air...

But then Jews don't really believe in hell or Satan. At least not along the lines that Christians do. The afterlife is actually not talked about in the torah. (By the way for those who think the old testament and the Torah are the same, there not). Plus Jews never claimed God was benevolent. He is the "protector of Jews and a father figure," but definitely not benevolent. Just think about the 10 plagues. What sort of benevolent god would do that sort of thing to innocents(first born).

There are a few examples of a hell like location for Jews, although it is not widely believed(as far as I know). The place is called Gehenna and all those that do sins are sent there for a limited period of time. The debate is between 49 days or 12 months. People are then able to rise to heaven. People go to Gehenna, but for many reasons. Non-believers go to Gehenna the same as believers, and the deeds of their life,good or bad, affect what happens there. In Human history there are a very limited number (4 or 5) who must remain in Gehenna.

As for atheists, since I'm not Christian I can't answer that.

Agreed. As was said in God on Trial.

'Our God is not good. He is not good, he was not ever good. He was only on our side. God is not good...when God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son, Abraham should have said 'NO'! We should have taught our God the justice that was in our hearts."

[Salandriagado]

1: Can you disprove it?
3: Essentially, it's the same way with bosses. People have their job, and their boss.

1. No, since it isn't a maths problem. To the greatest degree of "proof" as you understand it, yes, trivially.
3. People have two jobs, and two bosses. Hell, people have one job and several bosses.

[Volkovgrad]

1) If god made everyone... and some people are athiest... then god made athiests! 2) If god loves all of his childeren... and if 1 is true ... then god loves athiests!

Fritzl claimed he loved his daughter. He claimed that often, like every time he beat her, raped her, or killed one of the children that had resulted from him raping her.

"Love" is a funny word. Someone saying they "love you" might not mean what you think it means.

Of course. I personally think God is a bullshit concept. To think that one entity has full control over every aspect of my life, every action I make, everything that I do, is just nonsense. And to think that high above our heads, a man/woman/hermaphrodite (don't care) kills the ones we love, takes all we have, tortures us, plagues us with disease, and lets us all twist in the wind is fucking cruel. I refuse to believe I have no true meaning and I can't control my own life. I refuse to love and accept something that has cursed the majority of the general population with blind ignorance and stupidity. So yeah, in a way he does love us; HE FUCKS US EVERY DAY!

[Johz]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com It also has sections on the Quran and Book of Mormon too...

As for zero interpretation rights... There is 2 Peter 1:20 as well...

You might also like

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm It has a handy search engine, multiple version support, and a full concordance to the original greek and hebrew text, with a word by word translation feature, and a bible dictionary function that searches 10 separate biblical dictionaries. Oh and it's a christian run site, so no accusation of "Evil Atheist Bias"

the SAB is the greatest website ever. the book of mormon section is almost like stand-up on the absurdities

you know what i still dont get? gambling a sin; god plagues the shit out of Job to win a bet..?

It's a fairy tale - the book practically begins with the words 'once upon a time'. More importantly, it's written in traditional poetic style, but you knew that already, right?

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com It also has sections on the Quran and Book of Mormon too...

As for zero interpretation rights... There is 2 Peter 1:20 as well...

You might also like

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm It has a handy search engine, multiple version support, and a full concordance to the original greek and hebrew text, with a word by word translation feature, and a bible dictionary function that searches 10 separate biblical dictionaries. Oh and it's a christian run site, so no accusation of "Evil Atheist Bias"

I'll have to try the second one. I might even be able to sound like I know what I'm talking about for once...

the SAB is the greatest website ever. the book of mormon section is almost like stand-up on the absurdities

you know what i still dont get? gambling a sin; god plagues the shit out of Job to win a bet..?

SAB would be better if it didn't use the KJV....

This. The KJV is beautiful, if fairly faulty. I know some Christians do insist on using it, but sinking to that kind of level is truly excruciating. It physically hurts, having a theological argument with the KJV. It's a book of beauty, not of arguing incessently about the minor details of whether Paul was actually a mass-murdering gay paedophile...

[Distruzio]

It may be, but the Pope, Cardinals, Pastors, and all them robe-wearing peoples consider it as a sin to the simple fact that the "more developed" countries have ridded themselves of the act.

I suppose Yahweh changed his mind. Or can he?

He never does. The individual comes to a better understanding of the Truth and the difference between sinful and sinless.

[Caninope]

So God's a slave owner now? Isn't that sin upon itself and isn't God supposed to have no sin?

Yahweh approves of slavery.

Unless, for whatever reason, God changed his mind.

[Caninope]

I highly doubt that it's in Revelations, so it might be on the church who commissioned the Bible itself.

I can't find such verses in Skeptics Annotated Bible either, so I'm not sure.

Found these in revelations:
22:18: I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.

22:19: If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Source: http://www.needprayer.com/bible/bible.asp
(Go to revalations, then chapter 22, its near the bottom)

That's just prophecy of Revelations, not the Bible in general.

[Sociobiology]

there are parts that say if you are a slave you should not seek freedom, but should be a good slave for your master.
so if it does say it is bad in the old testament (I would guess in exodus) somewhere then it is contradicted in the new testament. so if anything Yahweh changed his mind to supporting slavery.
Timothy 6:1, Ephesians 6:5
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have utmost regard for their master. Obey your earthly masters with respect, fear, and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Ephesians 6:6
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord.

Titus 2:9
Slaves are to be obedient to their masters in all matters, and do what is wanted without argument.

I'm not a good with the old testament, that's why I left it out. It overlaps to much with the koran an torah so I get the exact phrasing mixed up.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

so... more support for slavery.

[Sociobiology]

There's a Bible for skeptics? 0.o I want one...

But yes, it is a real verse, and, having no Bible with me, I can only make a guess and say I'm fairly sure it's in Revelations. But yes, it is real, and it did hold up the translation of the Bible for a while, I think until the reformation era, although don't quote me on that. Bonus points to Vectron...

Here you go: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Then it is just as I feared. I wanted to formulate a theory why the Muslim world is so theocratic, but if it doesn't stem from their holy texts, then it must be for cultural or other reasons.

well you should remember that Muslims do have sections not shared by Christianity which do support theocracy slightly more, but without the new testament which is were most of the anti-theocracy stuff in Christianity is.
but like christianity it can go both ways depending on the interpretation.

[Ceannairceach]

Yahweh approves of slavery.

Unless, for whatever reason, God changed his mind.

Which, since he's supposed to be infallible, means he was either wrong before or wrong now, thus breaking his infallibility.

[Caninope]

Unless, for whatever reason, God changed his mind.

Which, since he's supposed to be infallible, means he was either wrong before or wrong now, thus breaking his infallibility.

Not exactly. If you take the view that something is moral because God wills it, then he is never wrong and thus infallible.