Why would god hate an athiest?

[Herain]

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

So God's a slave owner now? Isn't that sin upon itself and isn't God supposed to have no sin?

[Farnhamia]

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

So God's a slave owner now? Isn't that sin upon itself and isn't God supposed to have no sin?

Slave-owning's no sin. It's all over the Old Testament, with rules about how it works.

[Herain]

So God's a slave owner now? Isn't that sin upon itself and isn't God supposed to have no sin?

Slave-owning's no sin. It's all over the Old Testament, with rules about how it works.

It may be, but the Pope, Cardinals, Pastors, and all them robe-wearing peoples consider it as a sin to the simple fact that the "more developed" countries have ridded themselves of the act.

[Farnhamia]

Slave-owning's no sin. It's all over the Old Testament, with rules about how it works.

It may be, but the Pope, Cardinals, Pastors, and all them robe-wearing peoples consider it as a sin to the simple fact that the "more developed" countries have ridded themselves of the act.

I suppose Yahweh changed his mind. Or can he?

[Ceannairceach]

It may be, but the Pope, Cardinals, Pastors, and all them robe-wearing peoples consider it as a sin to the simple fact that the "more developed" countries have ridded themselves of the act.

I suppose Yahweh changed his mind. Or can he?

If God changes his mind, does that mean he was wrong before? Or is he wrong now?

[Farnhamia]

I suppose Yahweh changed his mind. Or can he?

If God changes his mind, does that mean he was wrong before? Or is he wrong now?

I know, sort of makes the ground shift under you, doesn't it?

[Caninope]

I suppose Yahweh changed his mind. Or can he?

If God changes his mind, does that mean he was wrong before? Or is he wrong now?

If you say morality comes from god, then he wasn't wrong before. Just of a different viewpoint.

[Farnhamia]

If God changes his mind, does that mean he was wrong before? Or is he wrong now?

If you say morality comes from god, then he wasn't wrong before. Just of a different viewpoint.

If god says slavery is okay at one point in time and then that it's a sin at a later point ... Oh, you mean people changed their view point? So slavery is still okay, seeing as it's in the OT?

[Caninope]

If you say morality comes from god, then he wasn't wrong before. Just of a different viewpoint.

If god says slavery is okay at one point in time and then that it's a sin at a later point ... Oh, you mean people changed their view point? So slavery is still okay, seeing as it's in the OT?

Not quite what I was saying Farn. I was saying that if one holds that something is alright because God said so (as opposed to God saying things because they're good and alright and moral), then God isn't wrong. At any point.

[Farnhamia]

If god says slavery is okay at one point in time and then that it's a sin at a later point ... Oh, you mean people changed their view point? So slavery is still okay, seeing as it's in the OT?

Not quite what I was saying Farn. I was saying that if one holds that something is alright because God said so (as opposed to God saying things because they're good and alright and moral), then God isn't wrong. At any point.

Which is a whole thread in itself, is something good because God says it or does he say it because it's good? Actually, I don't know that there's anything scriptural that says slavery is bad.

[Sociobiology]

Not quite what I was saying Farn. I was saying that if one holds that something is alright because God said so (as opposed to God saying things because they're good and alright and moral), then God isn't wrong. At any point.

Which is a whole thread in itself, is something good because God says it or does he say it because it's good? Actually, I don't know that there's anything scriptural that says slavery is bad.

there are parts that say if you are a slave you should not seek freedom, but should be a good slave for your master.
so if it does say it is bad in the old testament (I would guess in exodus) somewhere then it is contradicted in the new testament. so if anything Yahweh changed his mind to supporting slavery.
Timothy 6:1, Ephesians 6:5
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have utmost regard for their master. Obey your earthly masters with respect, fear, and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Ephesians 6:6
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord.

Titus 2:9
Slaves are to be obedient to their masters in all matters, and do what is wanted without argument.

I'm not a good with the old testament, that's why I left it out. It overlaps to much with the koran an torah so I get the exact phrasing mixed up.

[Divine Unity]

It may be, but the Pope, Cardinals, Pastors, and all them robe-wearing peoples consider it as a sin to the simple fact that the "more developed" countries have ridded themselves of the act.

I suppose Yahweh changed his mind. Or can he?

From a Catholic Perspective, we'd say we haven't always understood what He wanted, or we misinterpreted, or we've got a better understanding. Catholics would say God doesn't change his mind. God would have to be a constant force, consistent. Otherwise there is no Truth.

But I can't claim I know what God is doing... Nor should I really try. My goal is merely to make the lives of those around me better. If I do that, then I suppose He's happy.

[Sanguinthium]

If god says slavery is okay at one point in time and then that it's a sin at a later point ... Oh, you mean people changed their view point? So slavery is still okay, seeing as it's in the OT?

Not quite what I was saying Farn. I was saying that if one holds that something is alright because God said so (as opposed to God saying things because they're good and alright and moral), then God isn't wrong. At any point.

so you would respect me for selling my children into sex slavery because god says its ok?

Which is a whole thread in itself, is something good because God says it or does he say it because it's good? Actually, I don't know that there's anything scriptural that says slavery is bad.

there are parts that say if you are a slave you should not seek freedom, but should be a good slave for your master.
so if it does say it is bad in the old testament (I would guess in exodus) somewhere then it is contradicted in the new testament. so if anything Yahweh changed his mind to supporting slavery.
Timothy 6:1, Ephesians 6:5
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have utmost regard for their master. Obey your earthly masters with respect, fear, and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Ephesians 6:6
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord.

Titus 2:9
Slaves are to be obedient to their masters in all matters, and do what is wanted without argument.

I'm not a good with the old testament, that's why I left it out. It overlaps to much with the koran an torah so I get the exact phrasing mixed up.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

[Farnhamia]

Not quite what I was saying Farn. I was saying that if one holds that something is alright because God said so (as opposed to God saying things because they're good and alright and moral), then God isn't wrong. At any point.

so you would respect me for selling my children into sex slavery because god says its ok?

there are parts that say if you are a slave you should not seek freedom, but should be a good slave for your master.
so if it does say it is bad in the old testament (I would guess in exodus) somewhere then it is contradicted in the new testament. so if anything Yahweh changed his mind to supporting slavery.
Timothy 6:1, Ephesians 6:5
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have utmost regard for their master. Obey your earthly masters with respect, fear, and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Ephesians 6:6
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord.

Titus 2:9
Slaves are to be obedient to their masters in all matters, and do what is wanted without argument.

I'm not a good with the old testament, that's why I left it out. It overlaps to much with the koran an torah so I get the exact phrasing mixed up.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

None of that is Yahweh says slavery is bad, it's just him setting rules for how people are to behave with regard to their slaves. I especially like the last one: if you kill your slave on the spot, you're liable but if he or she lingers for a couple of days, you're off the hook.

[Misterfisher minions]

Imagine how God would feel about a homosexual atheist woman...

If she has done good in her life i don't see why he should be upset.
Not his fault if some believers are doing hateful interpretations of the Bible.

[Dyakovo]

Just to mention, but the "you cannot serve two masters" thing came from Luke 16:13. Just thought I'd point that out. I choose not to involve myself in the subject directly because there are too many opinions on everything.

No-one really cares where it came from... Its bullshit regardless.

[Dyakovo]

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

So God's a slave owner now? Isn't that sin upon itself and isn't God supposed to have no sin?

Yahweh approves of slavery.

[Norstal]

Imagine how God would feel about a homosexual atheist woman...

If she has done good in her life i don't see why he should be upset.
Not his fault if some believers are doing hateful interpretations of the Bible.

I'm curious, does it actually say in the Bible that we should interpret it as best as we can? I thought it was the teaching of the church.

Not that I'm against personal interpretations.

[Sylex]

Taking a conglomorated view of most single god-headed beliefs, and all the little schisms of them, i think that if you lead a good life, trying to spread abit of happiness and joy, one that isnt totally egotistical and self-serving, then, if there is a god, or universal life energy etc, it/they/he/she should welcome you with fairly open arms. You are the best judge of your own morality (if you can use that word properly as an athiest), you know when you have done something that feels wrong. So dont do it again.

If God created man in his own image, then our reactions should be comprable to his. Thus, as far as im concerned, the above should hold true, and it shouldnt matter if you kneel and worship him, or just delight in a sunny day

[Misterfisher minions]

I'm curious, does it actually say in the Bible that we should interpret it as best as we can? I thought it was the teaching of the church.

Not that I'm against personal interpretations.

The Bible ( i mean the new testament ) is not very much about sex, so the teaching of the church is pretty much strange when speaking about that.
In Churches, nearly no one speaks about that.
Some conservative believers are against homosexuals.
Some progressive believers are in favor of Gay Civil Marriage.
I'm a libertarian christian, i disapprove civil marriage in general and i don't give a fuck about what homosexuals are doing or not doing.

[Kepplerburg]

Can't blame him if he does.

If someone went around stating that I didn't exist, and calling those who did ignorant/silly/completely bonkers etc. I'd be pretty miffed with 'em as well.

Peace.

[Norstal]

I'm curious, does it actually say in the Bible that we should interpret it as best as we can? I thought it was the teaching of the church.

Not that I'm against personal interpretations.

The Bible ( i mean the new testament ) is not very much about sex, so the teaching of the church is pretty much strange when speaking about that.
In Churches, nearly no one speaks about that.
Some conservative believers are against homosexuals.
Some progressive believers are in favor of Gay Civil Marriage.
I'm a libertarian christian, i disapprove civil marriage in general and i don't give a fuck about what homosexuals are doing or not doing.

I'm not sure if that answers the question. It's good to do that, to have your own views, but does the Bible actually say that you can have your own interpretations? I know that in the Quran, for example, you're not supposed to do this.

[Norstal]

Can't blame him if he does.

If someone went around stating that I didn't exist, and calling those who did ignorant/silly/completely bonkers etc. I'd be pretty miffed with 'em as well.

Peace.

So if your friend got angry with you and ignored you, you would throw them into a furnace.

Sounds reasonable.

[Misterfisher minions]

I'm not sure if that answers the question. It's good to do that, to have your own views, but does the Bible actually say that you can have your own interpretations? I know that in the Quran, for example, you're not supposed to do this.

I don't remember clearly but i'm pretty sure it does.

[Vectron (Ancient)]

If she has done good in her life i don't see why he should be upset.
Not his fault if some believers are doing hateful interpretations of the Bible.

I'm curious, does it actually say in the Bible that we should interpret it as best as we can? I thought it was the teaching of the church.

Not that I'm against personal interpretations.

I think at the end of the bible (literally last page) it says its a sin to change any of the words in the bible, so I think that could be interpreted as you can't have your own interpretations. I think thats why no one was allowed to translate it for ages.

But I'm not Christian so I may be wrong.