Why would god hate an athiest?

[Serrland]

I don't mean to go back to the Trinity, but (in my faith tradition) The Father =/= God. Christ the Son is just as much God as is the Father.

As for the gender thing, the Holy Ghost is often described as feminine while the other two are masculine.

Christological disputes! This is why I had a headache from the 4th century through the 6th!

Assuming Jesus is not referring to Joseph of Nazareth, who is his father, if not God?

The Father - who is a part of God, but is not all of God. I'll have to whip out my old triangle. One moment please.



God is the three-in-one - the Father is one of the three. So when Christ was on the cross, for example, ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" was God the Father, not just The Father in God.

I do not feel very eloquent right now.

[Dyakovo]

Christological disputes! This is why I had a headache from the 4th century through the 6th!

Assuming Jesus is not referring to Joseph of Nazareth, who is his father, if not God?

The Father - who is a part of God, but is not all of God. I'll have to whip out my old triangle. One moment please.



God is the three-in-one - the Father is one of the three.

Yahweh is a three-sided pyramid? Cool.

[Galloism]

Christological disputes! This is why I had a headache from the 4th century through the 6th!

Assuming Jesus is not referring to Joseph of Nazareth, who is his father, if not God?

The Father - who is a part of God, but is not all of God. I'll have to whip out my old triangle. One moment please.



God is the three-in-one - the Father is one of the three. So when Christ was on the cross, for example, ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" was God the Father, not just The Father in God.

I do not feel very eloquent right now.

Oh jeez.

Wouldn't it be simpler to assume that when Jesus said he wasn't god, he meant it?

[Farnhamia]

Christological disputes! This is why I had a headache from the 4th century through the 6th!

Assuming Jesus is not referring to Joseph of Nazareth, who is his father, if not God?

The Father - who is a part of God, but is not all of God. I'll have to whip out my old triangle. One moment please.



God is the three-in-one - the Father is one of the three. So when Christ was on the cross, for example, ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" was God the Father, not just The Father in God.

I do not feel very eloquent right now.

For a second there, when you said, "Let me whip this out ..." No, this is quite clear. It's also one reason I suddenly felt an overwhelming need to head for my estate in Punt around 535. That and all those cataphracts that invaded Italy around then.

[Serrland]

The Father - who is a part of God, but is not all of God. I'll have to whip out my old triangle. One moment please.



God is the three-in-one - the Father is one of the three. So when Christ was on the cross, for example, ""Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" was God the Father, not just The Father in God.

I do not feel very eloquent right now.

For a second there, when you said, "Let me whip this out ..." No, this is quite clear. It's also one reason I suddenly felt an overwhelming need to head for my estate in Punt around 535. That and all those cataphracts that invaded Italy around then.

And miss out on all the fun with Belisarius? I imagine it'd be great fun to hang out in a tent with him and Procopius gossiping about Theodora's loose morals!

[Danmerc]

To answer the question posed by the name of the topic, I have this to say;

God is willing to forgive anyone. No matter how sinful or unbelieving. Now, it would help if people made an effort to be good, but He gives us all a chance.

I'm a Catholic, so by saying this I'm waiting for the rage to flow.

Haters gonna hate.

[Dyakovo]

To answer the question posed by the name of the topic, I have this to say;

God is willing to forgive anyone. No matter how sinful or unbelieving. Now, it would help if people made an effort to be good, but He gives us all a chance.

I'm a Catholic, so by saying this I'm waiting for the rage to flow.

Haters gonna hate.

*rage flows*
Wait... Why is my rage supposed to be flowing again?

[Asterdan]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

First off: Yes he does exist.

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

[Dyakovo]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

First off: Yes he does exist.¹

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.²

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.³

1: Can you prove this? Somehow I think not...
2: So only priests can go to heaven?
3: Why not? I'm not a slave.

[Porsche-Industrien]

I will be honest. God doesn't hate anything. Any Christian who tells you god hates you is probably a Baptist. Any other religious person who tells you that is probably stupid. In the bible it is said that god loves all creatures equally, and that he is all-forgiving. The ten commandments, which are the top ten rules of what not to do, circa God himself, say hate is a sin. God is also sinless. So we can conclude that if God Loves all, is all forgiving, thinks hate is a sin and is sinless him self that he doesn't or wouldn't hate an atheist.

[Bottle]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

First off: Yes he does exist.

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

As somebody who has worked two jobs, and who has friends who mostly have more than one job because, well, we have to, and as somebody who has never gotten retirement benefits from any job, ever, despite having worked multiple jobs at the same time...I find this particularly hilarious.

[Ceannairceach]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

First off: Yes he does exist.

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

First off: No proof exists, and therefore, disbelief is a valid argument until you can scrounge up proof to the contrary.

Now, I don't buy the "heaven = good people, hell = bad people" dichotomy. There are many atheists, gays, and non-your-specific-sect-of-Christianity-Christians that are or were good people. Is Gandhi in hell, despite the good work he did? Is every unbaptised child who never even lived long enough to have heard of Christianity roasting? Is everyone who is not of your minority of the population of Earth sect roasting in hell at this very moment, simply for the minor "sin" of not appealing to your God's ego? Sorry, I don't buy that bullshit.

And, lastly, you can serve two masters. Most people, in America at least, have more than three, including employer, state government, federal government, and et cetera.

[Farnhamia]

For a second there, when you said, "Let me whip this out ..." No, this is quite clear. It's also one reason I suddenly felt an overwhelming need to head for my estate in Punt around 535. That and all those cataphracts that invaded Italy around then.

And miss out on all the fun with Belisarius? I imagine it'd be great fun to hang out in a tent with him and Procopius gossiping about Theodora's loose morals!

I liked Belisarius' wife Antonina much better than I did him. I find professional soldiers of his pay grade a little dull. As for Procopius, there was as nasty a piece of work as you'd not want to meet. Quite brilliant as an aid, no question, he had a prodigious memory but you could tell just by watching him that he was making a mental note of everything you said or did. The Secret History was originally about Antonina, you know. Procopius only started including Theodora in detail later on. I'm not sure what it was that set him off, but Theodora could be incredibly imperious and thoughtless.

I tried to get Antonina to come with me to Africa but she wouldn't leave the Big Man, as she called Belisarius (teasingly, the way Chris Noth's character in Sex and the City was called "Mr. Big"). Anyway, she liked her creature comforts and my place was a little rustic.

[Asterdan]

First off: Yes he does exist.¹

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.²

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.³

1: Can you prove this? Somehow I think not...
2: So only priests can go to heaven?
3: Why not? I'm not a slave.

1: Can you disprove it?
2: No.. God's workers.
3: Essentially, it's the same way with bosses. People have their job, and their boss.

First off: Yes he does exist.

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

First off: No proof exists, and therefore, disbelief is a valid argument until you can scrounge up proof to the contrary.

Now, I don't buy the "heaven = good people, hell = bad people" dichotomy. There are many atheists, gays, and non-your-specific-sect-of-Christianity-Christians that are or were good people. Is Gandhi in hell, despite the good work he did? Is every unbaptised child who never even lived long enough to have heard of Christianity roasting? Is everyone who is not of your minority of the population of Earth sect roasting in hell at this very moment, simply for the minor "sin" of not appealing to your God's ego? Sorry, I don't buy that bullshit.

And, lastly, you can serve two masters. Most people, in America at least, have more than three, including employer, state government, federal government, and et cetera.

I don't believe that either. There are plenty of good people in Hell too. And I'm a fundalmentalist. I don't believe you must be born again, and I believe that all babies and children go to heaven if they die before they understand right from wrong. And it's not his ego. It's who he is. He is perfect, because it is impossible for him to be imperfect. Heaven is perfect, so unforgiven sins cannot enter into Glory.

[Ceannairceach]

1: Can you disprove it

I don't believe that either. There are plenty of good people in Hell too. And I'm a fundamentalist. I don't believe you must be born again, and I believe that all babies and children go to heaven if they die before they understand right from wrong. And it's not his ego. It's who he is. He is perfect, because it is impossible for him to be imperfect. Heaven is perfect, so unforgiven sins cannot enter into Glory.

Referencing your 1st "point" directed towards Dyakovo: No, but it is not our job. You are making the positive claim, and therefore, it is your job to provide proof. Until then, the case of absence of evidence equals evidence of absence stands an equal argument, and as is the lack of or disbelief in god.

As to the rest: And who says that he's perfect? Oh, right! God and his lackeys do! In the book his lackeys so conveniently wrote! We have a name for that, friend.

[Dyakovo]

1: Can you prove this? Somehow I think not...
2: So only priests can go to heaven?
3: Why not? I'm not a slave.

1: Can you disprove it?
2: No.. God's workers.
3: Essentially, it's the same way with bosses. People have their job, and their boss.

1: I don't need to. I'm not making any claim about his existence or lack thereof.
2: So the people god employs... In other words priests...
3: Many people have more than one employer.

[Ceannairceach]

3: Many people have more than one employer.

Or just more than one person who could be deemed a master. The federal government, the state government, the local government, the police, a spouse in a domination relationship, etc...

[Norstal]

1: Can you disprove it?

Everytime someone asks someone else to disprove something, God kills a kitten.

[Farnhamia]

1: Can you disprove it?

Everytime someone asks someone else to disprove something, God kills a kitten.

Sometimes a bonobo.

[Decrept]

Because you simply think he does. I don't see the problem.

[Michael VII]

People always say that if your an athiest your going to hell.This got me thinking.Why (if he exists) would he send me to an eternity of suffering in a fighery hole of dispaire.Doing this horrifying act just because I don't think he existed.There was no evidence to support the fact he exist.I never did anything terribly wrong compared to the next guy.If god is real in this manner he is a evil villianous charector sending me and my closest friend to an eternity of suffering worse than death itself.

I'm not scared by this since he doesn't exist.

To be fair, you should probably read the Bible to learn that God loves everyone. God loves everyone but hates the sins they commit. For example, in my religion, a form of non-mainstream Christianity, we believe that there is no 'hell' as such, but that everyone ends up going to a world better than this one, but they are 'damned' in the sense that they cannot reach the highest possible post-mortal existence. We don't believe in eternal suffering, but that only those who lived under God's laws will get to the highest level of heaven. Everyone gets something, just not the best they could have possibly gotten. Can you really expect to get a free walk into heaven if you didn't live according to God's laws? Its like life, disobey the laws, go to prison, but this one is a spiritual prison rather than a physical one. (In most countries prisoners don't really suffer either, they just enjoy a lesser amount of freedom when compared to those who are in the free world).

You've kind of made all Christianity and even then Abrahamic religions become one there and taken parts of some to make some kind of bashable religion.

Have a ponder about this: Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

NB: Not trying to be a jerk if that's what you might think I'm trying to do...

[Herain]

Okay. I'm gonna put this out there right now. I don't believe in any established religions, sects of said religions, cults, witchcraft, or any of that.

Now than, here are my, personal beliefs.

There was a Creator, or Creators, that, when the first members of our kind were born, or formed, upon Terra Firma, it/they provided guidance to us as a race. The guidance was accepted differently among humanity due to their own interpretation of it based on the envrionment around them. Naturally if your in a desert where it lacks an abundance of food and water, you are more likely to take the lessons more violently than if your are in a forest as you must acquire food and water in some manner.

However, as mankind progressed, the Creator, or Creators, either:

A: Abandoned mankind as a lost cause due to false interpretations of their preachings and/or due to flaws in our anatomy.

-or-

B: Left us to our own will due to the fact that only so much guidance can be given upon a person, or persons, before they begin to design and/or create their own knowledge and/or devices.

In the manner of the whole "after death" arguement, I believe that the human body pertakes what has been proven to our species through scientific processes. That is that a corpse will rot in the soil and be pushed closer and closer to the core by new layers of Earth before it is forcefully compressed and made into oil.

That is my personal belief.

[Shelled Reptiles]

Just to mention, but the "you cannot serve two masters" thing came from Luke 16:13. Just thought I'd point that out. I choose not to involve myself in the subject directly because there are too many opinions on everything.

[Four-sided Triangles]

First off: Yes he does exist.

Highly unlikely

Now, think of Heaven and Hell as retirement plans. Gods retirement plan is Heaven, and Satan's is Hell. A person can't reap the benefits of a businesses retirement plan unless they work for that business.

False analogy. Hell isn't the absence of a good thing. Hell is INFINITELY HORRIFIC ETERNAL PAIN AND AGONY. It's not the absence of something good. It's the presence of positive punishment.

Also, for those who don't believe you must live it, you can't serve God on Sunday and Satan the rest of the week. You can't serve two masters.

I try not to serve any masters. I'm not a big supporter of top-down approaches unless they're necessary.

[Four-sided Triangles]

There are plenty of good people in Hell too.

Then god didn't do a very good job setting things up, did he?

I believe that all babies and children go to heaven if they die before they understand right from wrong.

Don't you believe it's your obligation to get as many souls to heaven as possible? Doesn't that mean that you should kill as many young children as you can, so that they can be guaranteed a spot in heaven, instead of risking them becoming old enough to think for themselves and possibly reject god? Shouldn't women deliberately get pregnant as often as possible in order to have as many abortions as they can? After all, every abortion is a guaranteed soul sent to heaven. So, are you against abortion? If so, then your system of reasoning is not self-consistent.

And it's not his ego. It's who he is. He is perfect, because it is impossible for him to be imperfect. Heaven is perfect, so unforgiven sins cannot enter into Glory.

1. Define "perfect."

2. Explain why one can only be forgiven of sins if they accept the truth of a specific set of very hard-to-believe propositions without evidence. That's a ridiculous contingency to place upon forgiveness of sins.

3. Sins are not a substance that can attach to the person who committed wrong. Therefore, sins cannot really "enter" into heaven even if an unforgiven sinner goes there. Sins are just bad deeds. They can't be "washed" off of your body in any literal sense. Sins aren't a part of your physical makeup, so they can't really come with you when you go to heaven, because they aren't tangible things to begin with.