Christians-

[Takaram]

It means that you're going to see god in anything, regardless of what we say

that seems unlikely. and you havent said much of anything yet.

I meant we in the general sense of atheists

[NERVUN]

What if this guy gets into Heaven?

Coincidence?

Gee, thanks Kat. Now I'm gonna have trouble sleeping tonight worrying about that.

[Ashmoria]

yes

What's the difference?

a magical incantation is kind of like a supernatural chemical reaction. if you do it right the outcome is assured.

a prayer is a request. god is in no way obliged to grant your request. (not that all prayer are requests)

[Geniasis]

I meant we in the general sense of atheists

And chances are that you won't see God no matter what we say.

I'm wondering if there was a point you wanted to make here.

[Ashmoria]

It means that you're going to see god in anything, regardless of what we say

that seems unlikely. and you havent said much of anything yet.

I meant we in the general sense of atheists

maybe you should stick to the topic at hand, eh?

[Samatolian City-States]

I think christians are filth.

I think you're as bad as the worst of them.

[Poliwanacraca]

Monstrosities, certainly, which I understand is a perfectly acceptable label for groups.

Indeed! I mean, I may not agree that Christians are monstrous filth, but it's clearly a perfectly reasonable contribution to a discussion.

Exactly. It's freedom of expression, whether this is a Father Knows Best state or not. 1-day bans for trolling notwithstanding.

Freedom of expression is very important. I mean, really, what would this forum be if we didn't have people helpfully calling entire groups nasty names?

[Deus Malum]

Indeed! I mean, I may not agree that Christians are monstrous filth, but it's clearly a perfectly reasonable contribution to a discussion.

Exactly. It's freedom of expression, whether this is a Father Knows Best state or not. 1-day bans for trolling notwithstanding.

Freedom of expression is very important. I mean, really, what would this forum be if we didn't have people helpfully calling entire groups nasty names?

This forum would definitely be a much duller place if you couldn't slap pointlessly inflammatory adjectives onto every statement you made about a particular group of people and get away with it.

[Tech-gnosis]

a magical incantation is kind of like a supernatural chemical reaction. if you do it right the outcome is assured.

a prayer is a request. god is in no way obliged to grant your request. (not that all prayer are requests)

The magic style called theurgy generally prayers and incantations being synonymous.

[Ashmoria]

a magical incantation is kind of like a supernatural chemical reaction. if you do it right the outcome is assured.

a prayer is a request. god is in no way obliged to grant your request. (not that all prayer are requests)

The magic style called theurgy generally prayers and incantations being synonymous.

uhhuh

and does that pertain to christianity? if so there must be some piss poor praying going on given how often god does not grant requests.

[Druidville]

I'll be interested to see how God sorts it all out in the end.

[Tech-gnosis]

uhhuh

and does that pertain to christianity? if so there must be some piss poor praying going on given how often god does not grant requests.

Basically I'm saying your definition of an incantation is incorrect.

[JuNii]

What are your thoughts on our brothers who believeth in the doctrine of Sola Fata? That a soul may enter paradise after a life of crime and evil and complete desolation from only the utterance of the words 'Forgive me lord'?

Hell bound sinners they are, spreading false doctrine! The lord shall work woe upon them, the torment shall betide them for all their days, in this world and the next!

Depends. are they Truely repentant?

Really tho, it's not for me to judge them.

[Communtopia]

Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:21

Not that I believe in this shite, but, just saying.

[Allied Governments]

Muttering "God forgive me" before dying after slaughtering innocents is analogous to a child who killed the cat muttering "sorry, whatever" to their mother.

You have to do it, once more, with feeling. It's kinda hard to fool someone who's Omniscient, after all.

[Ashmoria]

uhhuh

and does that pertain to christianity? if so there must be some piss poor praying going on given how often god does not grant requests.

Basically I'm saying your definition of an incantation is incorrect.

oh.

we its not the topic of the thread, eh? perhaps you can still understand what i meant by the definitions i chose as regards the difference between incantations and prayers.

[Allied Governments]

Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:21

Not that I believe in this shite, but, just saying.

That's the important part, which eliminates the whole simply uttering part.

Also, I'm saddened you call Bible Quotes "Shit" but Freedom of Expression is the Freedom to Insult, and I'm fine with that.

[Communtopia]

Muttering "God forgive me" before dying after slaughtering innocents is analogous to a child who killed the cat muttering "sorry, whatever" to their mother.

You have to do it, once more, with feeling. It's kinda hard to fool someone who's Omniscient, after all.

God must be a really sick sort of chap to do so, especially if that person ruined hundreds of lives as a consequence of his action. Sure, genuinely being sorry is nice, but it ain't going to change anything. Pol Pot can be genuinely sorry in the last bit of his life, but it ain't going to change the fact that 3 million Kampucheans were murdered, and millions more maimed, legless and armless.

[Communtopia]

Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:21

Not that I believe in this shite, but, just saying.

That's the important part, which eliminates the whole simply uttering part.

Also, I'm saddened you call Bible Quotes "Shit" but Freedom of Expression is the Freedom to Insult, and I'm fine with that.

Doth do the will, that means no killing and raping and the like. (Unless of course, that killing is punishment for some petty crime that God think is punishable by death)

[Allbeama]

There is no salvation, no forgiveness. I would like to illustrate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo7QeGSQd_w

[Allied Governments]

Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:21

Not that I believe in this shite, but, just saying.

That's the important part, which eliminates the whole simply uttering part.

Also, I'm saddened you call Bible Quotes "Shit" but Freedom of Expression is the Freedom to Insult, and I'm fine with that.

Doth do the will, that means no killing and raping and the like. (Unless of course, that killing is punishment for some petty crime that God think is punishable by death)

Well, Christianity IS supposed to teach non-violence and the like, but Dogma always seems to get mixed into the message it's trying to convey.

As the movie Dogma put it (excellent movie, in my opinion) "Humanity took an idea and built a belief structure around it."

[Allied Governments]

Muttering "God forgive me" before dying after slaughtering innocents is analogous to a child who killed the cat muttering "sorry, whatever" to their mother.

You have to do it, once more, with feeling. It's kinda hard to fool someone who's Omniscient, after all.

God must be a really sick sort of chap to do so, especially if that person ruined hundreds of lives as a consequence of his action. Sure, genuinely being sorry is nice, but it ain't going to change anything. Pol Pot can be genuinely sorry in the last bit of his life, but it ain't going to change the fact that 3 million Kampucheans were murdered, and millions more maimed, legless and armless.

That's where it gets tricky, does this person in the last bit of his life TRY to help the people he hurt?

[Non Aligned States]

You know, I wonder about this. With so many people of various sorts who are supposed to get into heaven, what with their vastly different politics and various tendencies to violence, what makes anyone think that heaven's going to be a nice place, even if it exists? Sounds like it would be a perpetual battleground of misery and suffering.

[Allied Governments]

You know, I wonder about this. With so many people of various sorts who are supposed to get into heaven, what with their vastly different politics and various tendencies to violence, what makes anyone think that heaven's going to be a nice place, even if it exists? Sounds like it would be a perpetual battleground of misery and suffering.

It's all due to a fear of not having enough, and since everything is supposedly infinite in heaven, the keystone to most political parties are broken.

[Tunizcha]

I think christians are filth.

I'm a staunch anti-theist, and even when I get really pissed, I don't say that kind of, in your own words, filth.