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Ceannairceach
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:50 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:That is hardly the apocalypse that has been described in the OP. I believe he's talking about complete and utter social and civil collapse.

There was a period in 1994-5 when the middle montly wage was 4-5 dollars (you could buy 20-25 loafs of bread with it.)
Isnt this a complete and total collapse?

Considering you still had money, no, it is not.

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Postby Gantenoplis » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:50 pm

I would immediately begin relief efforts to help any survivors/animals. As Voltare once said,"Every man is guilty of the good he never did."

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:51 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:There was a period in 1994-5 when the middle montly wage was 4-5 dollars (you could buy 20-25 loafs of bread with it.)
Isnt this a complete and total collapse?

Considering you still had money, no, it is not.

Actually they were useless as the hyperinflation wa changing the prices few times a day in that period

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:54 pm

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:55 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Considering you still had money, no, it is not.

Actually they were useless as the hyperinflation wa changing the prices few times a day in that period

That's not useless. A change in price doesn't make the money useless. The lack of an economy to back the money makes it useless, which is the type of crisis I assume we're talking about.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:55 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:My politics are the rug of my living room.
But, not the pan holder of my oven.


I get it. :)
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:57 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:My politics are the rug of my living room.
But, not the pan holder of my oven.


I get it. :)

Prove it.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:58 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:
I get it. :)

Prove it.


You view politics as something that may be important to you, but they aren't something you rely on to survive.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:18 pm

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Ifreann wrote:People are still making these decisions from the comfort of their bedrooms or whatever. It's one thing to sit pretty in a Western democracy and support Caesar's Legion, it's rather another to live in the wastes and take up a rifle to kill the profligates.

oh those guys, i really wanted to do the legion quests but i couldn't stand being in their presence for more than a second without killing them.

They are dickheads. Really pisses me off when you play a female character and they won't let you fight in the arena, even though you're working for Caesar, even though you're damn near a hero of the Legion, even though you could kill everyone in the camp.

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:18 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:Prove it.


You view politics as something that may be important to you, but they aren't something you rely on to survive.

Correct.

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Postby The USOT » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:18 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:And İ have already lived in such a situation which tested them

You have lived in an apocalypse? Somehow I dont buy it...
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:19 pm

The USOT wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:And İ have already lived in such a situation which tested them

You have lived in an apocalypse? Somehow I dont buy it...

Japan nukings?

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Postby The USOT » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:19 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:That is hardly the apocalypse that has been described in the OP. I believe he's talking about complete and utter social and civil collapse.

There was a period in 1994-5 when the middle montly wage was 4-5 dollars (you could buy 20-25 loafs of bread with it.)
Isnt this a complete and total collapse?

Nope. Its a bad economy, but not a total collapse of society
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Peter Timmerman, “Defending Materialism"

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:23 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:
You view politics as something that may be important to you, but they aren't something you rely on to survive.

Correct.


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Postby Vetalia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:26 pm

I try to calibrate my political opinions to be suitable for any situation, since I'd rather be a realist than an idealist. Generally, though, if we're talking full-blown societal collapse I'd rely on my ethics to make decisions rather than political opinions.
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Postby Hellenic Protectorates » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:35 pm

Romaniztan wrote:I feel like everybody would suddenly become radical communists, since that would be the only way to continue survival within a community after a crisis.

Being communitarian in a crisis does not equate to becoming a "radical communist".

I personally believe that, if your political opinions change during a crisis, then they weren't really your true beliefs.

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Postby Volnotova » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:38 pm

Oppinions?

:eyebrow:

Anyway, only time can tell.

Although I am unsure I would change my ideology in a radical manner when my goals are completed(As in, converting to Statism).
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:40 pm

Romaniztan wrote:I feel like everybody would suddenly become radical communists, since that would be the only way to continue survival within a community after a crisis.


That turned out really well in Russia in 1918, if by "continuing survival" you mean starving people to death to lessen food demand,
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Postby SaintB » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:46 pm

I'd like to think they wouldn't change but they wouldn't be very important to me either until all my other needs where met.
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Postby Sremski okrug » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:49 pm

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Postby Nadkor » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:52 pm

My actual political opinions and beliefs probably wouldn't change a great deal, but I'm not adverse to doing something I don't particularly agree with or like in a situation that calls for it if there's no other realistic option. So basically...my opinions probably wouldn't change, but that's not to say that I would necessarily act in a way that contradicts them.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:53 pm

Probably not.
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Postby Funk4ever » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:08 pm

In a crisis, the people would need me to be their tyrant.
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Postby Terra Agora » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:13 pm

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In a non video game note, a lecturer at my university was telling me about something some of you may be aware of called black games. To put it basically, black games tend to be games designed to be thought provoking, descision based and horribly, horribly cruel to the player, the kind of game designed to make people feel miserable.
One hypothetical game he talked about was one where Britain has fallen to a nuclear war (like metro 2033) but is still habitable. In the game itself the player would take charge as the military commander responsible for leading the people of london to a more habitable area. The game itself forced people into situations where things like islamic seperatists and seiges kept occuring to the point where people created in game concentration camps to save their own people, only later having it pointed out to them what they had actually done.

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:13 pm

Funk4ever wrote:In a crisis, the people would need me to be their tyrant.

"The people want wholesome dread. They want to fear something. They want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive."

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