
by The USOT » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:21 pm

by Ifreann » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:25 pm

by The USOT » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:28 pm
See fallout is an interesting example actually. There is even quite a few threads on the internet called "NCR v Caesars legion" regarding which path would be better under the circumstances. Caesars legion is hardly an unpopular answer.Ifreann wrote:I can't imagine anyone could really say for sure, given that none of us have experienced a civilisation-destroying crisis. Of course I like to think I'd maintain my principles, but I who knows what I'd think walking through a post-apocalyptic wasteland*.
*Mojave, mo' problems. Am I right?

by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:30 pm

by Frayham » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:31 pm

by New England and The Maritimes » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:31 pm
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.

by Ifreann » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:32 pm
The USOT wrote:See fallout is an interesting example actually. There is even quite a few threads on the internet called "NCR v Caesars legion" regarding which path would be better under the circumstances. Caesars legion is hardly an unpopular answer.Ifreann wrote:I can't imagine anyone could really say for sure, given that none of us have experienced a civilisation-destroying crisis. Of course I like to think I'd maintain my principles, but I who knows what I'd think walking through a post-apocalyptic wasteland*.
*Mojave, mo' problems. Am I right?

by Ceannairceach » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:32 pm

by The Merchant Republics » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:33 pm

by The Republic of Lanos » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:34 pm

by Turan Federasyonu » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:35 pm

by Meryuma » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:36 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
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Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
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by Farnhamia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:36 pm
The USOT wrote:It should be explained beforehand that by Crisis, I mean of epic magnitude, as in apocalyptic or general societal collapse level of magnitude.
I was playing Metro 2033 for the first time the other day and loved the idea of russian nazis fighting "communists" in the metro. Both having forgotten the finer points of their ideal system, and both seeming to only remember the odd thing of the ideological history (e.g. the Nazis russian supremacism yet using german phrases, and communist soldiers talking about their want of wages etc) when it got me thinking. As hypocritical as it may sound being a libertarian, I could kinda understand why someone would turn down either path in such a situation. If you have seemingly little hope left in the world, and too much freedom from everyone could get you and your family killed, wouldnt you want to turn to something which promised you more than just survival, but hope? Something that offered security and stability?
In a non video game note, a lecturer at my university was telling me about something some of you may be aware of called black games. To put it basically, black games tend to be games designed to be thought provoking, descision based and horribly, horribly cruel to the player, the kind of game designed to make people feel miserable.
One hypothetical game he talked about was one where Britain has fallen to a nuclear war (like metro 2033) but is still habitable. In the game itself the player would take charge as the military commander responsible for leading the people of london to a more habitable area. The game itself forced people into situations where things like islamic seperatists and seiges kept occuring to the point where people created in game concentration camps to save their own people, only later having it pointed out to them what they had actually done.
So in short, do you beleive, or do you know if your own political beleifs would change in such a crisis? I would hope that I would still remain a libertarian, but tbh I couldnt honestly say.

by Patriqvinia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:38 pm

by Turan Federasyonu » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:39 pm

by Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:40 pm
Ifreann wrote:The USOT wrote:See fallout is an interesting example actually. There is even quite a few threads on the internet called "NCR v Caesars legion" regarding which path would be better under the circumstances. Caesars legion is hardly an unpopular answer.
People are still making these decisions from the comfort of their bedrooms or whatever. It's one thing to sit pretty in a Western democracy and support Caesar's Legion, it's rather another to live in the wastes and take up a rifle to kill the profligates.

by Ceannairceach » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:41 pm
Turan Federasyonu wrote:And İ have already lived in such a situation which tested them

by Danontul » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:42 pm

by Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:42 pm
Bafuria wrote:It is very common during crises for average citizens to turn barbaric.
We are 9 meals away from anarchy.

by Turan Federasyonu » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:45 pm

by Ceannairceach » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:46 pm
Turan Federasyonu wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:Really? What situation would that be?
In the beginning of a transition from a communist to a market economy there is great chaos, increased poverty, sharp decline in the tandards The same is with the nationalism- the independence didnt bring prosperity in its firt years, we waited more than 10 year to feel a change. However, I didnt leave my staunchly nationalit and anti-left opinion.

by Romaniztan » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:47 pm

by Turan Federasyonu » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:49 pm
Ceannairceach wrote:Turan Federasyonu wrote:In the beginning of a transition from a communist to a market economy there is great chaos, increased poverty, sharp decline in the tandards The same is with the nationalism- the independence didnt bring prosperity in its firt years, we waited more than 10 year to feel a change. However, I didnt leave my staunchly nationalit and anti-left opinion.
That is hardly the apocalypse that has been described in the OP. I believe he's talking about complete and utter social and civil collapse.
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