What did Ronald Reagan mean too you & why?

[Tech-gnosis]

There's a cut off age on liking anime?

I believe anime only became relatively popular in the US in the 90's. Yu-gi-oh's target audience is fairly young. Take the two together and someone the age of Yu-Gi-Owe is quite anomalous. Asking him why he chose his name does not seem unreasonable.

[Californian Mod Haters]

Good or bad, the youth of today has no idea what is means to live under nuculear threat.<snip>

It allways exists.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Good or bad, the youth of today has no idea what is means to live under nuculear threat.<snip>

It allways exists.

OK, good point. Of course, what I meant was, in the context of the cold war.

[Maerngau]

reagan was awesome!! without him we wouldnt of had half the backbone we did during the cold war....if only some liberals could become a little more courageous, brave, (with all do respect...grow a backbone) it would be great for our nation..

Correct, but not for the reasons you imagine.

[Techno-Soviet]

When they say that the US owes him a debt they can never repay, they don't know the half of it.

I have a feeling we're getting there alright. ):

[Caprecia]

The man who managed to nearly triple US debt left by Carter (and yet his supporters rail on Carter as the worst president due to his economic debt). The man who cried of "conservatism" and the need for more focus and international isolationism (wasnt much of a fan for the UN) yet quiet happily funded Osama and Saddaam Hussein through their campaigns and agendas in the middle east. A man who increased the number of people of social wealthfare by 50,000 following Carter. The man who spent billions on the military industrial complex while wasting and pushing debt further and further. A man credited by conservatives for defeating the Soviet Union when the down fall could be attributed the matters the US had nothing to do with (such as the inevitable collapse of the soviet system).

Reagan was a GOOD actor, GOOD at activing and playing the staunch fiscal conservative, and just like him his supporters are GOOD at acting as if he was a legendary president, which history shows that he was nothing of the such. Thats all he was bout' good at, acting. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you put the Reagan president in detail in terms of policy, economy, debt, and if you took away the title "Reagan" and asked folks whether this was a conservative president or a liberal, whether this was a successful president, the answers from conservatves in particular would be interesting.

[Reagan States]

The man who managed to nearly triple US debt left by Carter (and yet his supporters rail on Carter as the worst president due to his economic debt). The man who cried of "conservatism" and the need for more focus and international isolationism (wasnt much of a fan for the UN) yet quiet happily funded Osama and Saddaam Hussein through their campaigns and agendas in the middle east. A man who increased the number of people of social wealthfare by 50,000 following Carter. The man who spent billions on the military industrial complex while wasting and pushing debt further and further. A man credited by conservatives for defeating the Soviet Union when the down fall could be attributed the matters the US had nothing to do with (such as the inevitable collapse of the soviet system).

Reagan was a GOOD actor, GOOD at activing and playing the staunch fiscal conservative, and just like him his supporters are GOOD at acting as if he was a legendary president, which history shows that he was nothing of the such. Thats all he was bout' good at, acting. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you put the Reagan president in detail in terms of policy, economy, debt, and if you took away the title "Reagan" and asked folks whether this was a conservative president or a liberal, whether this was a successful president, the answers from conservatves in particular would be interesting.

So you argue that Reagan was insincere?

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

The man who managed to nearly triple US debt left by Carter (and yet his supporters rail on Carter as the worst president due to his economic debt). The man who cried of "conservatism" and the need for more focus and international isolationism (wasnt much of a fan for the UN) yet quiet happily funded Osama and Saddaam Hussein through their campaigns and agendas in the middle east. A man who increased the number of people of social wealthfare by 50,000 following Carter. The man who spent billions on the military industrial complex while wasting and pushing debt further and further. A man credited by conservatives for defeating the Soviet Union when the down fall could be attributed the matters the US had nothing to do with (such as the inevitable collapse of the soviet system).

Reagan was a GOOD actor, GOOD at activing and playing the staunch fiscal conservative, and just like him his supporters are GOOD at acting as if he was a legendary president, which history shows that he was nothing of the such. Thats all he was bout' good at, acting. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you put the Reagan president in detail in terms of policy, economy, debt, and if you took away the title "Reagan" and asked folks whether this was a conservative president or a liberal, whether this was a successful president, the answers from conservatves in particular would be interesting.

Thanks to reagan & (Most others that have followed) your dollar isn't worth anything to bet!
But seriously, I think Reagan's arms race would have been a fair idea if he thought of a way to pay for it. I think the biggest weakness our government has is the lack of a centralized econimic plan. Every 4 to 8 years, a new president has big ideas & no long term thinking to pay for them, not to mention all the wars.

[Caprecia]

The man who managed to nearly triple US debt left by Carter (and yet his supporters rail on Carter as the worst president due to his economic debt). The man who cried of "conservatism" and the need for more focus and international isolationism (wasnt much of a fan for the UN) yet quiet happily funded Osama and Saddaam Hussein through their campaigns and agendas in the middle east. A man who increased the number of people of social wealthfare by 50,000 following Carter. The man who spent billions on the military industrial complex while wasting and pushing debt further and further. A man credited by conservatives for defeating the Soviet Union when the down fall could be attributed the matters the US had nothing to do with (such as the inevitable collapse of the soviet system).

Reagan was a GOOD actor, GOOD at activing and playing the staunch fiscal conservative, and just like him his supporters are GOOD at acting as if he was a legendary president, which history shows that he was nothing of the such. Thats all he was bout' good at, acting. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you put the Reagan president in detail in terms of policy, economy, debt, and if you took away the title "Reagan" and asked folks whether this was a conservative president or a liberal, whether this was a successful president, the answers from conservatves in particular would be interesting.

So you argue that Reagan was insincere?

Well Im pritty sure he "thought" he was employing true fiscal conservatism, just like Bush Jnr, just like Nixon, but the end result proves otherwise. History shows us differently to how we may paint it. Now another member gave us a report on how 8/10 analysts declared the reagan presidency a success, what a joke, seriously. Things were booming when reagan decided to make it open field for the corporations on the people, but ofcourse the pile of cr*p started piling up following his administration. So, in that sense Reagan did the things to make it look good during his president, and made the consequences come later to be attributed to other presidents. Maybe he knew this intentionally, but thats what happened. It interestin ya know, Bush snr who continues on much of Reagans policies further doubled the debt in one term, where it took reagan 8 years, and this was under Reagan policies continued on.

Reagan wasnt a fiscal conservative, neither were the bushes. They are "nationalists" as I put it, and while nationalism is important to the foundations of any nation, it certainly doesnt relate strong to real fiscal conservatism. This is the issue with conservatives these days and how idiots got into power like Bush who ran the debt to 9 trillion and took the rest of the world down, who lied about the Iraq war, people continously mix up nationalism with fiscal conservatism, and they are two different things.

[Vetalia]

Seeing as how I was born in February of 1988, not a whole lot.

However, the 1980's do seem like a time for reckless greed, drug use, and all-around debauchery, so if Reagan perpetuated any of those aspects during his time in office, he's one of my heroes.

[The Imperial Navy]

He meant nothing to me... it was just sex, nothing more.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

He meant nothing to me... it was just sex, nothing more.

Don't take it personal that he didn't remember your name the day after!

[Reagan States]

The man who managed to nearly triple US debt left by Carter (and yet his supporters rail on Carter as the worst president due to his economic debt). The man who cried of "conservatism" and the need for more focus and international isolationism (wasnt much of a fan for the UN) yet quiet happily funded Osama and Saddaam Hussein through their campaigns and agendas in the middle east. A man who increased the number of people of social wealthfare by 50,000 following Carter. The man who spent billions on the military industrial complex while wasting and pushing debt further and further. A man credited by conservatives for defeating the Soviet Union when the down fall could be attributed the matters the US had nothing to do with (such as the inevitable collapse of the soviet system).

Reagan was a GOOD actor, GOOD at activing and playing the staunch fiscal conservative, and just like him his supporters are GOOD at acting as if he was a legendary president, which history shows that he was nothing of the such. Thats all he was bout' good at, acting. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you put the Reagan president in detail in terms of policy, economy, debt, and if you took away the title "Reagan" and asked folks whether this was a conservative president or a liberal, whether this was a successful president, the answers from conservatves in particular would be interesting.

So you argue that Reagan was insincere?

Well Im pritty sure he "thought" he was employing true fiscal conservatism, just like Bush Jnr, just like Nixon, but the end result proves otherwise. History shows us differently to how we may paint it. Now another member gave us a report on how 8/10 analysts declared the reagan presidency a success, what a joke, seriously. Things were booming when reagan decided to make it open field for the corporations on the people, but ofcourse the pile of cr*p started piling up following his administration. So, in that sense Reagan did the things to make it look good during his president, and made the consequences come later to be attributed to other presidents. Maybe he knew this intentionally, but thats what happened. It interestin ya know, Bush snr who continues on much of Reagans policies further doubled the debt in one term, where it took reagan 8 years, and this was under Reagan policies continued on.

Reagan wasnt a fiscal conservative, neither were the bushes. They are "nationalists" as I put it, and while nationalism is important to the foundations of any nation, it certainly doesnt relate strong to real fiscal conservatism. This is the issue with conservatives these days and how idiots got into power like Bush who ran the debt to 9 trillion and took the rest of the world down, who lied about the Iraq war, people continously mix up nationalism with fiscal conservatism, and they are two different things.

Reagan was a fiscal conservative. But he also believed in having a strong national defense. It just so happened that the latter trait overpowered the first at a time when there was an unreasonably high chance of us destroying ourselves in less than an hour.

Reagan did regret that he increased the deficit. Link. Reagan was a fiscal conservative, but he had other priorities.

[New Genoa]

The man who managed to nearly triple US debt left by Carter (and yet his supporters rail on Carter as the worst president due to his economic debt). The man who cried of "conservatism" and the need for more focus and international isolationism (wasnt much of a fan for the UN) yet quiet happily funded Osama and Saddaam Hussein through their campaigns and agendas in the middle east. A man who increased the number of people of social wealthfare by 50,000 following Carter. The man who spent billions on the military industrial complex while wasting and pushing debt further and further. A man credited by conservatives for defeating the Soviet Union when the down fall could be attributed the matters the US had nothing to do with (such as the inevitable collapse of the soviet system).

Reagan was a GOOD actor, GOOD at activing and playing the staunch fiscal conservative, and just like him his supporters are GOOD at acting as if he was a legendary president, which history shows that he was nothing of the such. Thats all he was bout' good at, acting. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you put the Reagan president in detail in terms of policy, economy, debt, and if you took away the title "Reagan" and asked folks whether this was a conservative president or a liberal, whether this was a successful president, the answers from conservatves in particular would be interesting.

So you argue that Reagan was insincere?

Well Im pritty sure he "thought" he was employing true fiscal conservatism, just like Bush Jnr, just like Nixon, but the end result proves otherwise. History shows us differently to how we may paint it. Now another member gave us a report on how 8/10 analysts declared the reagan presidency a success, what a joke, seriously. Things were booming when reagan decided to make it open field for the corporations on the people, but ofcourse the pile of cr*p started piling up following his administration. So, in that sense Reagan did the things to make it look good during his president, and made the consequences come later to be attributed to other presidents. Maybe he knew this intentionally, but thats what happened. It interestin ya know, Bush snr who continues on much of Reagans policies further doubled the debt in one term, where it took reagan 8 years, and this was under Reagan policies continued on.

Reagan wasnt a fiscal conservative, neither were the bushes. They are "nationalists" as I put it, and while nationalism is important to the foundations of any nation, it certainly doesnt relate strong to real fiscal conservatism. This is the issue with conservatives these days and how idiots got into power like Bush who ran the debt to 9 trillion and took the rest of the world down, who lied about the Iraq war, people continously mix up nationalism with fiscal conservatism, and they are two different things.

Reagan was a fiscal conservative. But he also believed in having a strong national defense. It just so happened that the latter trait overpowered the first at a time when there was an unreasonably high chance of us destroying ourselves in less than an hour.

Reagan did regret that he increased the deficit. Link. Reagan was a fiscal conservative, but he had other priorities.

The poor and disadvantaged being on the low end of them, no doubt.

[Tech-gnosis]

Reagan was a fiscal conservative. But he also believed in having a strong national defense. It just so happened that the latter trait overpowered the first at a time when there was an unreasonably high chance of us destroying ourselves in less than an hour.

How were we going to destroy ourselves?

Reagan did regret that he increased the deficit. Link. Reagan was a fiscal conservative, but he had other priorities.

So in theory/rhetoric he was a fiscal conservative but not in practice. Gotcha.

[Reagan States]

Reagan was a fiscal conservative. But he also believed in having a strong national defense. It just so happened that the latter trait overpowered the first at a time when there was an unreasonably high chance of us destroying ourselves in less than an hour.

How were we going to destroy ourselves?

By nuking the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Or them nuking us. I mean humanity in general...

Reagan did regret that he increased the deficit. Link. Reagan was a fiscal conservative, but he had other priorities.

So in theory/rhetoric he was a fiscal conservative but not in practice. Gotcha.

No. I could say you are a being who requires food, but sometimes you want to go to the bathroom first. Reagan put the defense of the nation above deficits. If he were still President in the nineties (and still capable of being President in the nineties), he would have had a chance to act on his secondary priority.

[Tech-gnosis]

By nuking the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Or them nuking us. I mean humanity in general...

How did Reagan avert that?

No. I could say you are a being who requires food, but sometimes you want to go to the bathroom first. Reagan put the defense of the nation above deficits. If he were still President in the nineties (and still capable of being President in the nineties), he would have had a chance to act on his secondary priority.

He could have very well offset the needed expenditures by raising taxes or by reducing his earlier tax cuts.

[Caprecia]

Reagan was a fiscal conservative.

And how exactly was he? Cutting programmes and taxes does not automatically attribute to fiscal conservatism. Real fiscal conservative works to take out the fat and leave the programmes that work, not add to the debt. All reagan did was cut taxes, cut programs and speak "fiscal conservatism" but at the end of his presidency the nation was nearly triple the amount in debt left by Carter and hands deeply into the matters of Osama and Saddam. Meanwhile he was cutting government positions dealing with matters concerning your country he was quiet happily expanding his military industrial complex, something Truman warned against, so infact he was dramatically increasing government one side and cutting out programmes that didnt solve a damn thing for your nation.

Hows he fiscally conservative exactly by just cutting programmes but making no real improvement? Enlighten me here because it appears to me that fiscal conservatism goes beyond merely cutting programes, its conserving the taxes of american people in whats necessary. Cutting is merely a "show" of action, not something that has real effect.

But he also believed in having a strong national defense.

This is what conservatives use as an excuse for their overgrown military industrial complex. Firstly since when did an overgrown military become a necessary trait of fiscal conservatism? I really fail to see where they are necessary. To me its almost and excuse to give the good'ol boy more pocket money to play their war games when it directly contradicts the necessity fiscally. A strong military doesnt automatically mean and overgrown military. The US spends nearly half the worlds total military expenditure and even at that excluding the Iraq war the military had increased funding of $1 trillion over the Bush year. An extra $1 trillion, this is in addition to the $500 billion military expenditure for the last 8 years (yearly, so thats 8 x $500 billion). And dont let me get started with the Iraq war, not only regarding the waste but the hypocrisy to conservativism that clearly advocates foreign neutrality. If anything conservatives have gone against this core conservative principal. Reagan danced around with Sadaam and Osama during the 80s despite it being purely against true conservatism, let alone the waste of money being given to these dictators, oppressors.... from the good'ol fiscal decisions of the reagan administration.

So, I dont know where you come on strong defense, and I dont know where conservatives managed to link this as a core princepal to conservatism and fiscal conservatism. What I do know is that a good military is one that is sufficient enough to protect its nation, not to police the world.

Reagan did regret that he increased the deficit.

Oh his got a long list beyond merely the deficit, and its time for his supporters to start fessing up and voting in true fiscal conservatives, which are libertarians. I myself am a liberal, I greatly oppose conservative policies, but I know that if you are a true fiscal conservative, you would vote libertarian, because anything that doesnt have the title libertarian is not true fiscal conservatism I assure you.

[Ryuugu]

He meant nothing to me, as simple as that. First, I'm not from the US, second, this country's presidents aren't important to me.

Unless you're from the Moon, our presidents are probably more important to you than you think. The United States' influence on the rest of the world, for good or for ill, is undeniable. I'm not from Russia, but their president is of at least some concern to me. Ditto for the leaders of Iran and North Korea.

French, once again, the presidents of the US mean nothing to me. They do not affect my day to day life nor the decisions I make. Hence, Reagan meant nothing to me. He was just another president of the US. Not even my own president means a thing to me.

So if the USSR was still around, it would mean nothing in your day-to-day life?

Your insistence is baffling. Why do you care about wether Reagan means something to me or not? He doesn't. Simple. I don't care. The US is not my country. Its presidents aren't my presidents. I simply do not care one way or the other.

[Sith Korriban]

Dead American who did some films I've never seen and paved the way for Arnie to become the next actor-politician. Given the Arnie thing, all Reagan would mean to me is a case of indifferent mild contempt. But given Erusea's comments... the contempt for Reagan is a fair bit stronger now.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Good or bad, the youth of today has no idea what is means to live under nucular threat. Therefore they will say "Nothing". Hopefully, however, they might read this thread & learn some history. There is good input from a few different sides.

I had nuclear nightmares as a kid and I was not the only one. Even artists expressed their fear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts

Reagan also started to finance the Mujahideen of Afghanistan and Saddam of Iraq.

What not many people seems to know, is that Reagan was the former spokesman of General Electric....

[Hairless Kitten II]

[Mad hatters in jeans]

meant nothing to me. no insult intended he just doesn't factor into my thoughts on any scale.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

[New Kereptica]

meant nothing to me. no insult intended he just doesn't factor into my thoughts on any scale.

Same with me.