Abortion(do guys have a say?)

[Neo Prion]

My dad's a doctor is not a cruise control to success in debate. I would know a little something about debating, my dad is the president after all.

My dad isn't a doctor though. Nor did I take it to be cruise control for success. Obviously no succes is being made.

So you did lie about your family's profession!

[Jedi8246]

My dad isn't a doctor though. Nor did I take it to be cruise control for success. Obviously no succes is being made.

So you did lie about your family's profession!

Well, believe it or not, I have more than one family member. And being a doctor isn't the only medical profession.

[Bhangbhangdukh]

So you did lie about your family's profession!

Well, believe it or not, I have more than one family member. And being a doctor isn't the only medical profession.

Heh...

I once heard somebody claim 'parent in medical field' authority in a discussion on condom failure rates, then when grilled by a senior forum mod/chat host, reluctantly admit their mom was an admin clerk on a non-emergency outpatient reception desk...

Some authority...

Or are you claiming that dentists can speak with authority on obstetric related death rates...

[The Rich Port]

Or if, you know, someone tries to kill her for doing it.

That guy wasn't serious.

You'd be surprised at who is and who isn't serious.

And if he isn't, I'll report him later.

[Jedi8246]

Well, believe it or not, I have more than one family member. And being a doctor isn't the only medical profession.

Heh...

I once heard somebody claim 'parent in medical field' authority in a discussion on condom failure rates, then when grilled by a senior forum mod/chat host, reluctantly admit their mom was an admin clerk on a non-emergency outpatient reception desk...

Some authority...

Or are you claiming that dentists can speak with authority on obstetric related death rates...

Nope. I do have family members in medicine. Just not my dad.

[Wiztopia]

Or if, you know, someone tries to kill her for doing it.

That guy wasn't serious.

There are actually people who are like that.

Heh...

I once heard somebody claim 'parent in medical field' authority in a discussion on condom failure rates, then when grilled by a senior forum mod/chat host, reluctantly admit their mom was an admin clerk on a non-emergency outpatient reception desk...

Some authority...

Or are you claiming that dentists can speak with authority on obstetric related death rates...

Nope. I do have family members in medicine. Just not my dad.

So you ground up your family members and put them into pills?

[Neo Prion]

Did you abort a member of your family Jedi8246?

[Natvia]

Did you abort a member of your family Jedi8246?

Do they count as a member of the family if they've been aborted?

[The Rich Port]

Did you abort a member of your family Jedi8246?

Do they count as a member of the family if they've been aborted?

Even then, does killing your family member count as inherently wrong?

To be fair, just because your family members are dead doesn't mean they're not part of your family.

[Neo Prion]

Do they count as a member of the family if they've been aborted?

Even then, does killing your family member count as inherently wrong?

To be fair, just because your family members are dead doesn't mean they're not part of your family.

Would an aborted fetus count as someone who is involved in the medical profession, and lets say it was your aborted fetus would it count as family?

[Augarundus]

Absolutely not; a fetus is a parasitic mass of tissue without any rationality (thus, no rights). The fact that it was created in part by the genetic material of a male is irrelevant; unless the agreed upon contract (not "implicitly understood", but made well-known) was to unconditionally have a child, the woman is not bound to such a commitment. In the case they she is unable to justify an abortion based on contract law (the pregnancy was initiated for the express purpose of child-bearing, understood by both parties with the circumstances made either well known or written), she could, of course, violate contract law and offer the man some sort of recompense (judging by the fact they've already have sexual relations, that wouldn't seem difficult....).

[The Rich Port]

Even then, does killing your family member count as inherently wrong?

To be fair, just because your family members are dead doesn't mean they're not part of your family.

Would an aborted fetus count as someone who is involved in the medical profession, and lets say it was your aborted fetus would it count as family?

No. Why would you ask that question?

I don't understand the second one. Clarify.

[Wiztopia]

Even then, does killing your family member count as inherently wrong?

To be fair, just because your family members are dead doesn't mean they're not part of your family.

Would an aborted fetus count as someone who is involved in the medical profession, and lets say it was your aborted fetus would it count as family?

No to both. Fetuses are not family.

[Vortiaganica]

Would an aborted fetus count as someone who is involved in the medical profession, and lets say it was your aborted fetus would it count as family?

No to both. Fetuses are not family.

Or medically trained.

[Dyakovo]

There is no such thing as a surgery that ended in pregnancy(If there is I'm not going to that hospital) and if the surgery failed, which I'll concede does happen, then you are informed of it, it's hard for the surgeon not to notice, though I'll also concede they've left their equipment in people before.

Oh no, I'm not saying a procedure ended in pregnancy. That would indeed be an odd hospital. i've just heard stories of people getting vasectomies or having their tubes tied, but still managing to end up causing pregnancy/getting pregnant due to some fuck up or another. Granted it is entirely rare and really not something one has to worry about

Not necessarily a fuck-up... Both a vasectamy and a tubal ligation can reverse themselves... It isn't likely, but it is one of the things you're warned about...

[Natty Narwhal]

Did you abort a member of your family Jedi8246?

I was almost aborted... Why didn't my mother go through with what my dad had requested? -sigh-

[Dyakovo]

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy

It's consent to the risk (I can't believe I even have to use the word risk, pregnancy should be something to be celebrated) of becoming pregnant. Every action has consequences.

So if you go skiing and break your leg you'll not get medical treatment?

[Dyakovo]

no

a woman cant escape dealing with pregnancy. she has no reason to do what YOU think is best rather than what SHE thinks is best.

She certainly can. She can choose not to have sex. Or to get her tubes tied. Or ask the males she sleeps with to get vasectomies. All 100% methods to not have to deal with pregnancy.

Or just get an abortion... That is 100% effective as well.

[Wiztopia]

She certainly can. She can choose not to have sex. Or to get her tubes tied. Or ask the males she sleeps with to get vasectomies. All 100% methods to not have to deal with pregnancy.

Or just get an abortion... That is 100% effective as well.

Not to mention vasectomies are not 100% full proof.

[Dyakovo]

Or don't have sex. Or be snipped. Seriously, when you have sex, it's a risk.

This.

Just so you know... Kat is pro choice...

[Dyakovo]

she should do what seems best to her to do.

Then likewise, he should be able to do what seems best for him to do.

Sure. When he gets pregnant he can choose whether or not to get an abortion.

[Dyakovo]

You and everyone who agrees with you on this issue are wrong. Women are human beings who have the right to their bodies and all occurrences therein.

Evidence.

Also, not everyone who opposes abortion opposes "women's rights",

Yeah, they do. They oppose women having the right to bodily autonomy.

[New Genoa]

Evidence.

Also, not everyone who opposes abortion opposes "women's rights",

Yeah, they do. They oppose women having the right to bodily autonomy.

Abortion encompasses the entirety of the women's rights movement?

[Dyakovo]

Sure, honey, and I'm Marie of Romania. But you're right, it's as common as you think it is.

I don't know who Marie of Romania is, but nonetheless your implication that I don't have family in the medical field is insulting. Why I should lie about my family's professions just to prove a point in a debate with people like you, I know not, but I'm not pleased.

Because you've got nothing else.

[Wiztopia]

Yeah, they do. They oppose women having the right to bodily autonomy.

Abortion encompasses the entirety of the women's rights movement?

You cannot support women's rights if you are against abortion.