Abortion(do guys have a say?)

[Ceannairceach]

Sure. Lets go by that. The fetus should be terminated because it can't function by itself, not even biologically. And, like a heavily injured animal, it has to be put down.

You said something about cornering...?

Ah ah ah, now you're putting words in my mouth.

You said "as a goldfish". Goldfish aren't inherently incapable of supporting themselves. Fetuses are not injured.

Tut tut. Vocalizing as a goldfish. I said nothing about physicality. And they are, by comparison, of the same physical constitution as a injured animal.

[Farnhamia]

False equivalence. Starvation in Africa is not the same as you keeping your legal fingers out of my womb.

Actually, by your reasoning it's exactly the same.

Name a difference.

Name a similarity. Farn's Uterus <> Africa. The contents of Farn's Uterus <> People starving in Africa. Farn <> Autocratic Africa Rulers. Someone living in my uterus would not be starving.

[Ashmoria]

when you have been pregnant you can talk about it.

it is very debilitating and very dangerous. some women spend MONTHS on bed rest so that they can successfully deliver a healthy child.

What century do you live in? Modern medical technology allows most women to work for the majority of their pregnancy. The case you state is an exception, not a rule.

when you have been pregnant you can talk about how easy it is.

[The Rich Port]

I'm assuming that YOU are only half a Republican.

This social "conservative" view that abortions should be banned conflicts with the other "conservative" view that the government should not intervene in the private lives of citizens.

Falsely assuming I'm a Republican. Strike one.

Half.

The ump counted that one as a ball, for my benefit.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Actually, by your reasoning it's exactly the same.

Name a difference.

Name a similarity. Farn's Uterus <> Africa. The contents of Farn's Uterus <> People starving in Africa. Farn <> Autocratic Africa Rulers. Someone living in my uterus would not be starving.

Someone needs to learn what a "metaphor" is.

Congratulations on getting yourself written off.

[Ashmoria]

when you have been pregnant you can talk about it.

it is very debilitating and very dangerous. some women spend MONTHS on bed rest so that they can successfully deliver a healthy child.

And some don't, your point? It's not a blanket thing, My theology teacher was a medical practitioner. Also in most developed countries the danger is lessened allot.

my point is that women with children know just how hard it is to be pregnant and if they dont want to have another child it should be their free choice even if it involves abortion.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Name a similarity. Farn's Uterus <> Africa. The contents of Farn's Uterus <> People starving in Africa. Farn <> Autocratic Africa Rulers. Someone living in my uterus would not be starving.

Someone needs to learn what a "metaphor" is.

Congratulations on getting yourself written off.

Coming from you that's a compliment. From your participation in this thread, I'd say anyone you consider bad can generally be considered by decent human beings as just fine. For the record, Farn is a treat and a half and you're a shitty troll.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Someone needs to learn what a "metaphor" is.

Congratulations on getting yourself written off.

Coming from you that's a compliment. From your participation in this thread, I'd say anyone you consider bad can generally be considered by decent human beings as just fine. For the record, Farn is a treat and a half and you're a shitty troll.

Ooh, nice flame. You really told me.

[Newmoonrising]

What century do you live in? Modern medical technology allows most women to work for the majority of their pregnancy. The case you state is an exception, not a rule.

when you have been pregnant you can talk about how easy it is.

To apply a generalization about pregnancy is disingenuous, also we are both being anecdotal, yes?

[Jedi8246]

Consent to sex = consent to the possibility of pregnancy

Saying otherwise is flat out denying biology.

of course it is.

for both the man and the woman (if its manman or womanwoman, not so much.)

so if the woman gets pregnant she has to deal with it. abortion is one option of how to deal with it.

The man's responsibility is just as equal as the woman's. And before you say otherwise, men having to pay compensation is flat out proof of that mind set. Thus, he deserves equal rights in regards to his child/future child.

Abortion is by not definition, not dealing with it. It's getting rid of the "problem", not dealing with it. Dealing with it implies insuring the child's care.

[Farnhamia]

Name a similarity. Farn's Uterus <> Africa. The contents of Farn's Uterus <> People starving in Africa. Farn <> Autocratic Africa Rulers. Someone living in my uterus would not be starving.

Someone needs to learn what a "metaphor" is.

Congratulations on getting yourself written off.

Thank goodness, I won't have to have drivel directed at me. It's still none of your business.

Also, bonobos.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Someone needs to learn what a "metaphor" is.

Congratulations on getting yourself written off.

Thank goodness, I won't have to have drivel directed at me. It's still none of your business.

Also, bonobos.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, babe.

[The Rich Port]

when you have been pregnant you can talk about how easy it is.

To apply a generalization about pregnancy is disingenuous, also we are both being anecdotal, yes?

It is fact that a pregnancy can be extremely laborious.

They HAVE killed women before.

They CAN be extremely painful when it comes to labor.

They can be extremely incovenient in the 9 months before labor.

There's a lot to consider when you're having a kid, and whether you're going to have it or not.

Your "morality" (I don't know what the hell that means anymore) should be at #3 spot, with the first two being your health (if you're having an abortion) and your baby's healthy (if you're having the baby).

[Jedi8246]

Murder is illegal and abortion is not. What part of that are you having a problem with?

The part where every woman who gets pregnant is a stupid whore who should have shut her dumb slut legs if she didn't want to be pregnant and carry it to term.

I promised I wouldn't respond to your trolling, but I can't help it.

Would you like to quote to me where I have called women stupid whore's or horny sluts. If you can, then I'll admit my wrongs and be on my merry way. If not, then please shut your mouth up.

[Ashmoria]

when you have been pregnant you can talk about how easy it is.

To apply a generalization about pregnancy is disingenuous, also we are both being anecdotal, yes?

it doesnt matter. all abortion decisions are made on a case by case basis decided by the woman herself based on her understanding of her own best interest and that of her family.

[Jedi8246]

To apply a generalization about pregnancy is disingenuous, also we are both being anecdotal, yes?

It is fact that a pregnancy can be extremely laborious.

They HAVE killed women before.

They CAN be extremely painful when it comes to labor.

They can be extremely incovenient in the 9 months before labor.

There's a lot to consider when you're having a kid.

In the 18th Century, this was all very true.

In this day and age, technology has made it where that is a rare exception, not the rule.

[Jedi8246]

To apply a generalization about pregnancy is disingenuous, also we are both being anecdotal, yes?

it doesnt matter. all abortion decisions are made on a case by case basis decided by the woman herself based on her understanding of her own best interest and that of her family.

The man has equal right.

[Ashmoria]

of course it is.

for both the man and the woman (if its manman or womanwoman, not so much.)

so if the woman gets pregnant she has to deal with it. abortion is one option of how to deal with it.

The man's responsibility is just as equal as the woman's. And before you say otherwise, men having to pay compensation is flat out proof of that mind set. Thus, he deserves equal rights in regards to his child/future child.

Abortion is by not definition, not dealing with it. It's getting rid of the "problem", not dealing with it. Dealing with it implies insuring the child's care.

men only have to pay for their actual children. they get rights to their actual children too (at least i dont think a woman can force a man to pay for the abortion).

no. dealing with it is dealing with it. no one has to do what YOU think is right in order to qualify as dealing with it.

[The Gregorach]

In my opinion, once a girl is pregnant she should carry the kid to term. If she doesn't want to get pregnant she should either not have sex, make the guy use a rubber, use birth control, or at least the morning after pill. It is a separate genetic entity, and although reliant on the mother for support at the time, is still a human life, and as such should be protected until old enough to prove itself undeserving of life by committing murder or other capital crimes. I consider abortion to be equal to infanticide.

As the law currently stands, I would not expect to be told about anything from a one night stand, unless she wanted me to support the kid, which I would gladly do so upon receipt of proof of paternity. If my wife or girlfriend were to abort my kid though, I would kill her and take my chances with the court.

It's good to know we have sane, reasonable people standing up for the anti-abortion side!

Who ever said I was sane or reasonable?

[Farnhamia]

it doesnt matter. all abortion decisions are made on a case by case basis decided by the woman herself based on her understanding of her own best interest and that of her family.

The man has equal right.

If he is in a committed relationship with the woman, his opinion should be taken very seriously by her, and hers by him. The problem with this kind of thread is, people start talking as if the man and the woman involved have no history and have met exactly once, when they had sex and she became pregnant. Ultimately the decision should be hers, but of course he has input.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

It's good to know we have sane, reasonable people standing up for the anti-abortion side!

Who ever said I was sane or reasonable?

That was the joke xD

[The Rich Port]

It is fact that a pregnancy can be extremely laborious.

They HAVE killed women before.

They CAN be extremely painful when it comes to labor.

They can be extremely incovenient in the 9 months before labor.

There's a lot to consider when you're having a kid.

In the 18th Century, this was all very true.

In this day and age, technology has made it where that is a rare exception, not the rule.

To those that can afford it.

In this particular day and age, it might not be as common as you might think.

It's good to know we have sane, reasonable people standing up for the anti-abortion side!

Who ever said I was sane or reasonable?

I wasn't... I was being... Nvm.

[Ashmoria]

it doesnt matter. all abortion decisions are made on a case by case basis decided by the woman herself based on her understanding of her own best interest and that of her family.

The man has equal right.

dont you mean that men SHOULD have an equal right in your opinion?

in reality men have no right in the decision to have an abortion.

[GeneralHaNor]

men only have to pay for their actual children. they get rights to their actual children too (at least i dont think a woman can force a man to pay for the abortion).

And if they didn't want it, they still have to pay for it
(cue "should kept his dick in his pants" )

[Ashmoria]

men only have to pay for their actual children. they get rights to their actual children too (at least i dont think a woman can force a man to pay for the abortion).

And if they didn't want it, they still have to pay for it
(cue "should kept his dick in his pants" )

yup

because support is the right of the child.