Abortion(do guys have a say?)

[Hellenic Protectorates]

So? Just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Many of you believe it's okay to allow to just sneak across another countries borders and in cases slowly kill people with their continual defiance of minuanum wage laws,what's wrong with settling a dispute with my neighbor the old fashioned way?

i am not interested in debating the necessity of murder laws.

bad business practices are a thread hijack.

the law providing for legal abortions is right because we have decided that it is so as a society.

Your entire argument is a flawed Appeal to Law.

*writes off*

[Newmoonrising]

Adoption doesn't remove the pregnancy, just the child. Not everyone wants to be nearly disabled for five plus months, you know.

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

I've heard stories from my theology teacher about women who have farmed and given birth to their children behind bushes. Pregnancy sucks but it not like someone cut off some of your limbs.

[Ceannairceach]

Adoption doesn't remove the pregnancy, just the child. Not everyone wants to be nearly disabled for five plus months, you know.

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

Really? You really deny how difficult it is to be pregnant? I can scarcely believe it...

And as I've stated, the possibility has nothing to do with anything. Consent to sex doesn't equal consent to pregnancy.

[Jedi8246]

Then why not release all murderers and rapists from prison? They shouldn't have to adhere to OUR moral code if their own includes murder/rape to deal with an unwanted person/need.

because murder is against the law and abortion isnt.

The law is enforcement of moral code.

[The Rich Port]

Why should they abstain? Sex is fun. It is a enlightening experience, that can be a loving experience between monogamous people. That doesn't mean they want a kid. And abortion is, largely, the post-pregnancy version of preventative measures like birth control pills and condoms.

The preventative measures are cheaper, often free, and widely distributed. Having sex with a condom on, or even two (one female, one male), feels negligibly different, if at all. The only difference I find is the resulting noise.

And I'm not excluding men either. "No" means NO, and men should also be responsible enough to know whether they're ready to become parents.

We're dealing in hypotheticals here.

Alrighty then.

So the preventative measures are there.

Let's say they all fail, regardless of the effort of the two participants to not make a baby.

What then?

[Ceannairceach]

Why should they abstain? Sex is fun. It is a enlightening experience, that can be a loving experience between monogamous people. That doesn't mean they want a kid. And abortion is, largely, the post-pregnancy version of preventative measures like birth control pills and condoms.

The preventative measures are cheaper, often free, and widely distributed. Having sex with a condom on, or even two (one female, one male), feels negligibly different, if at all. The only difference I find is the resulting noise.

And I'm not excluding men either. "No" means NO, and men should also be responsible enough to know whether they're ready to become parents.

You didn't address my point. At all. Why should people abstain?

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

I've heard stories from my theology teacher about women who have farmed and given birth to their children behind bushes. Pregnancy sucks but it not like someone cut off some of your limbs.

Look at how the Native Americans handled it.

[Farnhamia]

because murder is against the law and abortion isnt.

The law is enforcement of moral code.

Murder is illegal and abortion is not. What part of that are you having a problem with?

[Jedi8246]

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

Really? You really deny how difficult it is to be pregnant? I can scarcely believe it...

And as I've stated, the possibility has nothing to do with anything. Consent to sex doesn't equal consent to pregnancy.

Consent to sex = consent to the possibility of pregnancy

Saying otherwise is flat out denying biology.

[Ashmoria]

Well... FOR THE MOST PART, that's what we've decided.

The terrorists disagree, of course.

of course.

but if we outlaw abortion the terrorists win.

[Farnhamia]

I've heard stories from my theology teacher about women who have farmed and given birth to their children behind bushes. Pregnancy sucks but it not like someone cut off some of your limbs.

Look at how the Native Americans handled it.

Why don't you just tell us how they did?

[Hellenic Protectorates]

The preventative measures are cheaper, often free, and widely distributed. Having sex with a condom on, or even two (one female, one male), feels negligibly different, if at all. The only difference I find is the resulting noise.

And I'm not excluding men either. "No" means NO, and men should also be responsible enough to know whether they're ready to become parents.

You didn't address my point. At all. Why should people abstain?

Because it's the responsible thing to do unless you're prepared to face the consequences.

Do you drive your car out of the driveway to go on a joy ride without expecting to pay for gas later?

[The Rich Port]

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

I've heard stories from my theology teacher about women who have farmed and given birth to their children behind bushes. Pregnancy sucks but it not like someone cut off some of your limbs.

Yes. This is what is called an ANECDOTE. We don't use those in SCIENCE.

[New England and The Maritimes]

The law is enforcement of moral code.

Murder is illegal and abortion is not. What part of that are you having a problem with?

The part where every woman who gets pregnant is a stupid whore who should have shut her dumb slut legs if she didn't want to be pregnant and carry it to term.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Well... FOR THE MOST PART, that's what we've decided.

The terrorists disagree, of course.

of course.

but if we outlaw abortion the terrorists win.

The best logic EVAR!

[Ashmoria]

because murder is against the law and abortion isnt.

The law is enforcement of moral code.

uhhuh

and what is your point?

[Jedi8246]

The law is enforcement of moral code.

Murder is illegal and abortion is not. What part of that are you having a problem with?

I don't have a problem with that at all.

My problem is the ways that abortion is being used.

[Ceannairceach]

Really? You really deny how difficult it is to be pregnant? I can scarcely believe it...

And as I've stated, the possibility has nothing to do with anything. Consent to sex doesn't equal consent to pregnancy.

Consent to sex = consent to the possibility of pregnancy

Saying otherwise is flat out denying biology.

So? That also is irrelevant. Just because its possible doesn't mean you consent to it. Its possible to get hit by a car while crossing the street. That doesn't mean you consent to getting hit.

And, as has been discussed, abortion is the dealing with of the possibility of pregnancy.

[Farnhamia]

Really? You really deny how difficult it is to be pregnant? I can scarcely believe it...

And as I've stated, the possibility has nothing to do with anything. Consent to sex doesn't equal consent to pregnancy.

Consent to sex = consent to the possibility of pregnancy

Saying otherwise is flat out denying biology.

Yes, and abortion is one way of dealing with that possibility. What business of yours is it what I do with the contents of my womb?

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Murder is illegal and abortion is not. What part of that are you having a problem with?

The part where every woman who gets pregnant is a stupid whore who should have shut her dumb slut legs if she didn't want to be pregnant and carry it to term.

Aren't strawmen fun?

[Ashmoria]

of course.

but if we outlaw abortion the terrorists win.

The best logic EVAR!

its the same logic that the federal government uses all the time. its no unique to me.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

The best logic EVAR!

its the same logic that the federal government uses all the time. its no unique to me.

Never said it was.

[Farnhamia]

Murder is illegal and abortion is not. What part of that are you having a problem with?

I don't have a problem with that at all.

My problem is the ways that abortion is being used.

None of your business.

[The Rich Port]

of course.

but if we outlaw abortion the terrorists win.

The best logic EVAR!

Then again, blame them for loosing my support against abortion.

If not for them, I might oppose it today.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Consent to sex = consent to the possibility of pregnancy

Saying otherwise is flat out denying biology.

Yes, and abortion is one way of dealing with that possibility. What business of yours is it what I do with the contents of my womb?

When the contents of your womb will eventually become a person with a say who would NEVER consent to being flushed down a damn drain...

Considerable.