Abortion(do guys have a say?)

[GeneralHaNor]

He's offering me more effective ways to kill myself, seeing as how I'm a horrible person who deserves bad things to happen to me. I assumed you would approve of anything that might hasten my departure from 'your' world.

To be honest, I was countering your playing of the victim card.

Nah, the only thing I am a victim of, is the bourgeoisie capitalist establishment, and the corporate bosses who siphon the value of my labor to enrich themselves, while the state siphons it's scraps in order to enforce said system of looters.

But the bad decisions of my parental units?, Nah, I'm an adult now. That's not a problem anymore.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

I have argued repeatedly for Rape to be equated with murder by the Law. I equate it with murdering someone's soul and leaving them to attempt to live afterward.

So you say. Your type say this all the time, after conveniently redefining rape so that ~10% of all actual rapes "count." Your idea when implemented as policy will effectively turn all or most rapes into murders.

You and everyone who agrees with you on this issue are wrong. Women are human beings who have the right to their bodies and all occurrences therein.

You forgot to put "because I say so." on the end.

[Ceannairceach]

Preventive measures that don't work when you're already pregnant.

That's why they're preventative.

And if they don't work, then what? Shut up and wait for it to pop out? You can't seriously support one part, then deny the other.

[New England and The Maritimes]

yeah....

youre forgetting the danger and inconvenience of pregnancy. it can be financially and physically devastating.

A fetus is a life, period. The only reason it can be aborted is to save the mother's life.

Wrong. A fetus can be aborted for any number of reasons.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

To be honest, I was countering your playing of the victim card.

Nah, the only thing I am a victim of, is the bourgeoisie capitalist establishment, and the corporate bosses who siphon the value of my labor to enrich themselves, while the state siphons it's scraps in order to enforce said system of looters.

But the bad decisions of my parental units?, Nah, I'm an adult now. That's not a problem anymore.

Like I said. The victim card.

[The Rich Port]

In my opinion, once a girl is pregnant she should carry the kid to term. If she doesn't want to get pregnant she should either not have sex, make the guy use a rubber, use birth control, or at least the morning after pill. It is a separate genetic entity, and although reliant on the mother for support at the time, is still a human life, and as such should be protected until old enough to prove itself undeserving of life by committing murder or other capital crimes. I consider abortion to be equal to infanticide.

As the law currently stands, I would not expect to be told about anything from a one night stand, unless she wanted me to support the kid, which I would gladly do so upon receipt of proof of paternity. If my wife or girlfriend were to abort my kid though, I would kill her and take my chances with the court.

It's good to know we have sane, reasonable people standing up for the anti-abortion side!

because murder is against the law and abortion isnt.

But isn't making a law against murder forcing OUR moral code on people who don't wish to adhere to it?

By your own reasoning, why should we be allowed?

Sure. But murdering someone is also a violation of someone else's rights to life.

In particular, a foetus can't technically be called "human". It is certainly something that WILL BECOME human, or, in the case of abortion, MIGHT HAVE BEEN human. Granted, this doesn't mean that in the later stages it WON'T be a human if it is born.

Which is why I'm opposed to late-term abortion, but not the whole concept.

[Ashmoria]

My brother didnt have a say when his Fiance aborted the twins that were on the way he was crushed.

Crushed because a woman chose to do what she wanted with her own body?

crushed because he was going to be a father then she decided he wasnt.

a man has a right to his own feelings even if he doesnt have the right to make the decision for the woman.

[Yoite]

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[Sovereign Oppression]

You and everyone who agrees with you on this issue are wrong. Women are human beings who have the right to their bodies and all occurrences therein.

Evidence.

Also, not everyone who opposes abortion opposes "women's rights", unless you think opposing a woman's ability to murder is infringing on her rights as well. Some people consider the growing child to be a legitimate life that needs protection under the law and think that no one (women included) should have the right to kill it. It's not all about being misogynist. Some people have completely legitimate reasons for opposing abortion.

You, on the other hand, with your broad generalizations of pro-lifers and unsupported claims, seem to be nothing more than a troll, trying to gauge reactions. Please, provide support for your outlandish claims, or don't bother posting.

[Wiztopia]

Crushed because a woman chose to do what she wanted with her own body?

crushed because he was going to be a father then she decided he wasnt.

a man has a right to his own feelings even if he doesnt have the right to make the decision for the woman.

Those are the kind of people who think they should tell a woman what to do with their own body and think they got abortions.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

That's why they're preventative.

And if they don't work, then what? Shut up and wait for it to pop out? You can't seriously support one part, then deny the other.

If you aren't prepared to become a parent, you shouldn't be having sex. Period.

If anyone is making the assumption that women are sluts, it's pro-choice advocates. Are women really incapable of abstaining?

[Newmoonrising]

Then why not release all murderers and rapists from prison? They shouldn't have to adhere to OUR moral code if their own includes murder/rape to deal with an unwanted person/need.

because murder is against the law and abortion isnt.

So? Just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Many of you believe it's okay to allow to just sneak across another countries borders and in cases slowly kill people with their continual defiance of minuanum wage laws,what's wrong with settling a dispute with my neighbor the old fashioned way?

[Ashmoria]

crushed because he was going to be a father then she decided he wasnt.

a man has a right to his own feelings even if he doesnt have the right to make the decision for the woman.

Those are the kind of people who think they should tell a woman what to do with their own body and think they got abortions.

i dont know if they are nor not.

i just know that it is understandable that a man should be upset when he wanted the potential child that she decided not to have.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

In my opinion, once a girl is pregnant she should carry the kid to term. If she doesn't want to get pregnant she should either not have sex, make the guy use a rubber, use birth control, or at least the morning after pill. It is a separate genetic entity, and although reliant on the mother for support at the time, is still a human life, and as such should be protected until old enough to prove itself undeserving of life by committing murder or other capital crimes. I consider abortion to be equal to infanticide.

As the law currently stands, I would not expect to be told about anything from a one night stand, unless she wanted me to support the kid, which I would gladly do so upon receipt of proof of paternity. If my wife or girlfriend were to abort my kid though, I would kill her and take my chances with the court.

It's good to know we have sane, reasonable people standing up for the anti-abortion side!

But isn't making a law against murder forcing OUR moral code on people who don't wish to adhere to it?

By your own reasoning, why should we be allowed?

Sure. But murdering someone is also a violation of someone else's rights to life.

In particular, a foetus can't technically be called "human". It is certainly something that WILL BECOME human, or, in the case of abortion, MIGHT HAVE BEEN human. Granted, this doesn't mean that in the later stages it WON'T be a human if it is born.

Which is why I'm opposed to late-term abortion, but not the whole concept.

Why is something that will eventually become a human, not human?

[Wiztopia]

You and everyone who agrees with you on this issue are wrong. Women are human beings who have the right to their bodies and all occurrences therein.

Evidence.

Also, not everyone who opposes abortion opposes "women's rights", unless you think opposing a woman's ability to murder is infringing on her rights as well. Some people consider the growing child to be a legitimate life that needs protection under the law and think that no one (women included) should have the right to kill it. It's not all about being misogynist. Some people have completely legitimate reasons for opposing abortion.

You, on the other hand, with your broad generalizations of pro-lifers and unsupported claims, seem to eb nothing more than a troll, trying to gauge reactions. Please, provide support for your outlandish claims, or don't bother posting.

Abortion is as much murder as eating a bowl of cereal.

[The Rich Port]

And if they don't work, then what? Shut up and wait for it to pop out? You can't seriously support one part, then deny the other.

If you aren't prepared to become a parent, you shouldn't be having sex. Period.

If anyone is making the assumption that women are sluts, it's pro-choice advocates. Are women really incapable of abstaining?

Celibacy can either be a very rewarding experience that grants calm and peace, or a very stressful, very traumatizing experience, depending on the person.

There isn't a one-size-fits-all solution here; you're picking the foetus over the potential parents.

[Ceannairceach]

If you aren't prepared to become a parent, you shouldn't be having sex. Period.

If anyone is making the assumption that women are sluts, it's pro-choice advocates. Are women really incapable of abstaining?

Why should they abstain? Sex is fun. It is a enlightening experience, that can be a loving experience between monogamous people. That doesn't mean they want a kid. And abortion is, largely, the post-pregnancy version of preventative measures like birth control pills and condoms.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Evidence.

Also, not everyone who opposes abortion opposes "women's rights", unless you think opposing a woman's ability to murder is infringing on her rights as well. Some people consider the growing child to be a legitimate life that needs protection under the law and think that no one (women included) should have the right to kill it. It's not all about being misogynist. Some people have completely legitimate reasons for opposing abortion.

You, on the other hand, with your broad generalizations of pro-lifers and unsupported claims, seem to eb nothing more than a troll, trying to gauge reactions. Please, provide support for your outlandish claims, or don't bother posting.

Abortion is as much murder as eating a bowl of cereal.

Evidence.

[Jedi8246]

If you recognize that, then you should give the child to adoption, not abort it.

Adoption doesn't remove the pregnancy, just the child. Not everyone wants to be nearly disabled for five plus months, you know.

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

[Ashmoria]

because murder is against the law and abortion isnt.

So? Just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Many of you believe it's okay to allow to just sneak across another countries borders and in cases slowly kill people with their continual defiance of minuanum wage laws,what's wrong with settling a dispute with my neighbor the old fashioned way?

i am not interested in debating the necessity of murder laws.

bad business practices are a thread hijack.

the law providing for legal abortions is right because we have decided that it is so as a society.

[Ashmoria]

Adoption doesn't remove the pregnancy, just the child. Not everyone wants to be nearly disabled for five plus months, you know.

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

it seems that many women who are already mothers disagree with you.

[Sovereign Oppression]

Evidence.

Also, not everyone who opposes abortion opposes "women's rights", unless you think opposing a woman's ability to murder is infringing on her rights as well. Some people consider the growing child to be a legitimate life that needs protection under the law and think that no one (women included) should have the right to kill it. It's not all about being misogynist. Some people have completely legitimate reasons for opposing abortion.

You, on the other hand, with your broad generalizations of pro-lifers and unsupported claims, seem to eb nothing more than a troll, trying to gauge reactions. Please, provide support for your outlandish claims, or don't bother posting.

Abortion is as much murder as eating a bowl of cereal.

Some people disagree.

The point of the post wasn't to take a side on the debate. It was simply to show that people have reasons to oppose abortion other than supposedly being sexist, and that pro-lifers shouldn't be generalized and demonized as misogynist. Because that isn't true.

[The Rich Port]

Adoption doesn't remove the pregnancy, just the child. Not everyone wants to be nearly disabled for five plus months, you know.

Pregnancy doesn't leave you nearly disabled. I realize there is much discomfort, but life is important than that. And like I've stated, we know what can happens when you have sex.

You've never been pregnant, have you?

So? Just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Many of you believe it's okay to allow to just sneak across another countries borders and in cases slowly kill people with their continual defiance of minuanum wage laws,what's wrong with settling a dispute with my neighbor the old fashioned way?

i am not interested in debating the necessity of murder laws.

bad business practices are a thread hijack.

the law providing for legal abortions is right because we have decided that it is so as a society.

Well... FOR THE MOST PART, that's what we've decided.

The terrorists disagree, of course.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

If you aren't prepared to become a parent, you shouldn't be having sex. Period.

If anyone is making the assumption that women are sluts, it's pro-choice advocates. Are women really incapable of abstaining?

Why should they abstain? Sex is fun. It is a enlightening experience, that can be a loving experience between monogamous people. That doesn't mean they want a kid. And abortion is, largely, the post-pregnancy version of preventative measures like birth control pills and condoms.

The preventative measures are cheaper, often free, and widely distributed. Having sex with a condom on, or even two (one female, one male), feels negligibly different, if at all. The only difference I find is the resulting noise.

And I'm not excluding men either. "No" means NO, and men should also be responsible enough to know whether they're ready to become parents.

[GeneralHaNor]

the law providing for legal abortions is right because we have decided that it is so as a society.

That's 'convenient' circular logic

Legal abortions are right because
We had decided as a society that
Legal abortions are right because
We had decided as a society that