Did Pres. Bush fake his idiocy?

[Kazomal]

Either way, he sure faked two elections.

OR someone did that job for him.
Running for PotUS doesn't exactly involve JUST the candidates...

That's what I meant. Him and his cohorts.

[Ashmoria]

was WHAT legally the case? that torture is an international war crime? its been illegal for many many years.

Well, then there should be a trial.

I guess I don't understand why there wouldn't be. Perhaps someone should send an e-mail to the UN.

Or the idea of international crimes can just go away because, well, they don't really make sense to me.

no one wants to rock the boat with the US.

some group...amnesty international?....asked the canadian government to arrest mr bush when he goes to canada some time soon. the canadian government was uninterested.

[Des-Bal]

no one wants to rock the boat with the US.

some group...amnesty international?....asked the canadian government to arrest mr bush when he goes to canada some time soon. the canadian government was uninterested.

Hooray hegemonic power!

[Ashmoria]

no one wants to rock the boat with the US.

some group...amnesty international?....asked the canadian government to arrest mr bush when he goes to canada some time soon. the canadian government was uninterested.

Hooray hegemonic power!

yay us! its great to be untouchable!

it is a little creepy to have this terrible blotch on our human rights record that will never be cleaned. ...not that we are ever perfect but its so hard to be internationally holier-than-thou when we dont care about our own war crimes.

[America II]

Bush was actually rather smart, just not a great public speaker

[Backstabing Ninjas]

I think he just acted like the person he was and he came off a little stupid. fact is when he was president we didn't have 9.1% unemployment. I'm pretty sure most of us would take that now.

[Belvadaire]

I believe so, remember, we have to keep in mind that he is pushing for an agenda, which Odrama is forwarding. Anti-christ for real. Bush wanted to see the twin towers go down close and personal, he happen to be in newyork that day, it was all planned, USA has been hijacked by satanic puppets, which is stopping at nothing to push their plan forward. Obama seen those protestor getting beat by cops on wall street, do you think he made a national statement about that?, NOPE! because he want them to leave, he's beening exposed and corruption hate to be exposed, they'll do anything to keep your mouth shut, even if it means death. The US is beening torn down by design hour after hour.

[Daistallia 2104]

Why would a smart person fake idiocy?
That wouldn't be smart, more idiotic.
So therefore he is an idiot for being a smart person faking idiocy.

See his 1978 race against Kent Hance for Texas's 19th congressional district for his reasons.

[Ashmoria]

I believe so, remember, we have to keep in mind that he is pushing for an agenda, which Odrama is forwarding. Anti-christ for real. Bush wanted to see the twin towers go down close and personal, he happen to be in newyork that day, it was all planned, USA has been hijacked by satanic puppets, which is stopping at nothing to push their plan forward. Obama seen those protestor getting beat by cops on wall street, do you think he made a national statement about that?, NOPE! because he want them to leave, he's beening exposed and corruption hate to be exposed, they'll do anything to keep your mouth shut, even if it means death. The US is beening torn down by design hour after hour.

so you know nothing about bush, nothing about obama, nothing about recent history, AND nothing about the theology of the antichrist.

thats a whole lot of nothing.

[Der Teutoniker]

the canadian government was uninterested.

Oh Canada didn't want to do someone else's dirty work? I guess I don't see the problem here.

[LUX]

President Bush was actually rather smart he didn't fake it. He simply wasn't very good at public speaking, while when he had trouble coming up the word or when he would forget a word in the spotlight of the media he would simply make up a word - thus the term "bushisms".

[GreaterPacificNations]

A lot of people are suggesting that he is 'just not a good public speaker'. This isn't true. He is an excellent public speaker- when he isn't running for president.

Take a look at this video, which takes Bush's oratory skills from the nineties, and compares them to his oratory skills as President.

The video suggests he might have dementia. I suggest he is hamming it up to appear folksy and trustworthy. He can speak well. He is Harvard and Yale educated. He realised being a smooth talking Ivy league educated scion of the political elite wasn't doing him favours.

[Der Teutoniker]

A lot of people are suggesting that he is 'just not a good public speaker'. This isn't true. He is an excellent public speaker- when he isn't running for president.

Take a look at this video, which takes Bush's oratory skills from the nineties, and compares them to his oratory skills as President.

The video suggests he might have dementia. I suggest he is hamming it up to appear folksy and trustworthy. He can speak well. He is Harvard and Yale educated. He realised being a smooth talking Ivy league educated scion of the political elite wasn't doing him favours.

Yeah, two hand-picked examples that may or may not have been deliberately chosen to effectively "create" a difference.

Show me a random sample from '94, and a random sample from '04. See how they compare when they are not hand-picked to emphasize the comaprison.

[Kazomal]

Well, then there should be a trial.

I guess I don't understand why there wouldn't be. Perhaps someone should send an e-mail to the UN.

Or the idea of international crimes can just go away because, well, they don't really make sense to me.

no one wants to rock the boat with the US.

some group...amnesty international?....asked the canadian government to arrest mr bush when he goes to canada some time soon. the canadian government was uninterested.

Fucking pussies.

[Western cuba]

Well at least he knew how to spell potato. Yes I'm talking about you Dan Quayle.

[Ashmoria]

the canadian government was uninterested.

Oh Canada didn't want to do someone else's dirty work? I guess I don't see the problem here.

go figure eh?

but canada has signed the same treaty we did that requires them to do that kind of dirty work. so it is a problem even if its not as big a problem as our own.

[GreaterPacificNations]

Yeah, two hand-picked examples that may or may not have been deliberately chosen to effectively "create" a difference.

Show me a random sample from '94, and a random sample from '04. See how they compare when they are not hand-picked to emphasize the comaprison.

The contrast isn't the point at all. Well it was for the video, which was trying to argue he had dementia. But for the purposes of this discussion, the simple fact Bush could deliver a speech like that goes directly against the Bush we all know and love. I never, never, saw Bush speaking with such articulation and fluidity in his Presidential years. He can do it. But he never did as President. Never like that. He was always drawly and slow.

[Der Teutoniker]

The contrast isn't the point at all. Well it was for the video, which was trying to argue he had dementia. But for the purposes of this discussion, the simple fact Bush could deliver a speech like that goes directly against the Bush we all know and love. I never, never, saw Bush speaking with such articulation and fluidity in his Presidential years. He can do it. But he never did as President. Never like that. He was always drawly and slow.

Yep, and the media sensationalized all of the times he misspoke. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that, even if Bush gave an equal number of well-delivered, and poorly-delivered speeches, you would know more about/see more about his poorly delivered speeches.

If you ignore that the premise under which this video was posted, you will notice that it is almost as articulate as his '94 speech. Here.

[Des-Bal]

yay us! its great to be untouchable!

it is a little creepy to have this terrible blotch on our human rights record that will never be cleaned. ...not that we are ever perfect but its so hard to be internationally holier-than-thou when we dont care about our own war crimes.

Between European Imperialism and Asian violations of basic human rights I'd say we fit right in. Our policy isn't to be holier than thou it's to fix things that cause problems for everyone because it beats the hell out of dealing with problems as they come.

[The Black Forrest]

The contrast isn't the point at all. Well it was for the video, which was trying to argue he had dementia. But for the purposes of this discussion, the simple fact Bush could deliver a speech like that goes directly against the Bush we all know and love. I never, never, saw Bush speaking with such articulation and fluidity in his Presidential years. He can do it. But he never did as President. Never like that. He was always drawly and slow.

Yep, and the media sensationalized all of the times he misspoke. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that, even if Bush gave an equal number of well-delivered, and poorly-delivered speeches, you would know more about/see more about his poorly delivered speeches.

If you ignore that the premise under which this video was posted, you will notice that it is almost as articulate as his '94 speech. Here.

Even then that does not help his cause. The actions of the media are well know. The reach of the media is well known. Other Presidents practiced to no end. Even the ones who couldn't speak stated to the prepared speech and gave a monotone delivery.

If the shrub had done that, people would have simply said 'BORING"

Instead he sounded like a country rube.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Probably. Being underestimated is one of the greatest strengths that anyone can have.

how so?

[Der Teutoniker]

how so?

The better they do, the more they exceed expectations.

Even if they are just mediocre, then they seem great by comparison to how everyone thought they would do.

Or, for the inverse, take Obama. By running on the "I'm not Bush!" and the "I'll fix everything!" platforms he got a lot of easy votes. Now that it turns out that the president isn't a magic genie who can manifest his wildest campaign dreams, and now that it turns out that Obama seems to agree with quite a bit of Bush policy, he's not quite so popular. He was overestimated, and now his mediocrity-at-best is sabotaging the expectations he set up for himself.

[Folder Land]

He gave terrorists the chance to seize power in two states that while douchebags were fairly stable.

If I had the choice between getting rid of the patriot act or killing Hitler while curing cancer I wouldn't have an easy choice.

He guided America through difficult financial times like my drunk uncle guided his pickup truck off the difficult road and into a difficult ditch.

Terrorists? You mean the legitimate governments of Afghanistan and Iraq? Yeah, liberating those countries from opression was definately worth it. He brought peace, freedom and democracy to tens of millions of people
I just can't believe why anyone would want to get rid of the PATRIOT Act. If you're not a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about. PATRIOT Act has most likely saved the US from tens of terrorist attacks
Well, he did quite well imo.

it turns out that torture is an international war crime. who knew?

oh yeah, everyone knows that.

Oh yes, because the rights of terrorists who plan to murder thousands of innocent Americans must be respected.

Holding U.S Citizens without trial and warrantless wiretapping is not illegal? Sorry, I can't give up my civil civil liberties just for "security"