On Ethnicity

[Free Soviets]

its not a presumption, its the definition. ethnicity is self-affirmed group identity based on culture.

I believe I pointed out earlier that ethnicity is not just about culture, it could also be based on nationality.

nah, the nationality thing only works in non-immigrant countries. and even there, that's just because it serves as a shorthand way of describing culture.

[Milks Empire]

its not a presumption, its the definition. ethnicity is self-affirmed group identity based on culture.

I believe I pointed out earlier that ethnicity is not just about culture, it could also be based on nationality. On the other hand, it seems to me to be frequently treated as a biological concept as well, which turns out to be in error (for now.)

The American Chinese question is quite interesting, although slightly off topic (althogh not as much as the next post.) I think they mean they are a Chinese individual who is American, this is because a Chinese American is the reverse. The problem arises because 'Chinese' can be either a noun or an adjective.

Milks Empire, by stating your ethnic background are you giving an example of how you would determine your ethnicity?

I should have specified. I consider myself a hodgepodge of those things culturally.

[Kirrig]

I believe I pointed out earlier that ethnicity is not just about culture, it could also be based on nationality.

nah, the nationality thing only works in non-immigrant countries. and even there, that's just because it serves as a shorthand way of describing culture.

I disagree, nationality is far more foolproof than culture; there are no shades of grey with it (except in a minority of cases).

I do not think that any one, using ethnicity as a practical tool, considers it to be a cultural concept. Censuses certainly do not seem to, and nor does anything I have ever come across.

[Free Soviets]

nah, the nationality thing only works in non-immigrant countries. and even there, that's just because it serves as a shorthand way of describing culture.

I disagree, nationality is far more foolproof than culture; there are no shades of grey with it (except in a minority of cases).

that's crazy. take a place like namibia. namibians can be anybody from the white descendents of european settlers to san bushmen and loads of things in between. knowing that somebody is namibian tells you almost nothing about their ethnicity.

I do not think that any one, using ethnicity as a practical tool, considers it to be a cultural concept. Censuses certainly do not seem to, and nor does anything I have ever come across.

anthropologists do, and its their concept. hell, just check wiki.

the census certainly would not be my go-to place for coherent ideas on group identities. they can't even decide what 'race' is.

[Bluth Corporation]

I disagree, nationality is far more foolproof than culture; there are no shades of grey with it (except in a minority of cases).

that's crazy. take a place like namibia. namibians can be anybody from the white descendents of european settlers to san bushmen and loads of things in between. knowing that somebody is namibian tells you almost nothing about their ethnicity.

I do not think that any one, using ethnicity as a practical tool, considers it to be a cultural concept. Censuses certainly do not seem to, and nor does anything I have ever come across.

anthropologists do, and its their concept. hell, just check wiki.

the census certainly would not be my go-to place for coherent ideas on group identities. they can't even decide what 'race' is.

Fredrik Barth and Abner Cohen ftw.

[Turan Federasyonu]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

[Bluth Corporation]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

Indeed, it's not terribly surprising hearing that from someone with a Turkish flag.

Though that's obviously not the case throughout much of the rest of the world.

[Kemaliste]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

Indeed, it's not terribly surprising hearing that from someone with a Turkish flag.

Here a Turkish-hater. Terrible sentence. You can only speak like that in virtual places anyway.

Brilliant unbiased mods would ban me if I wrote similar post due to racism or hatred speech.

[Bluth Corporation]

Hmm?

[Kemaliste]

Hmm?

You tried to generalize Turkish people in a bad way, didn't you ?

Indeed, it's not terribly surprising hearing that from stupid Turkish-hater westerner jerks anyway.

[Bluth Corporation]

Hmm?

You tried to generalize Turkish people in a bad way, didn't you ?

Not at all. I merely remarked that his assessment of how nationality is constructed in Turkey accords with my own understanding of it.

[Kemaliste]

You tried to generalize Turkish people in a bad way, didn't you ?

Not at all. I merely remarked that his assessment of how nationality is constructed in Turkey accords with my own understanding of it.

You don't know anything then. Go read Turkish constitution and look up the definition of '' Turkish ''.

[Turan Federasyonu]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

Indeed, it's not terribly surprising hearing that from someone with a Turkish flag.

Though that's obviously not the case throughout much of the rest of the world.

I am not from Turkey, dear friend. Everybody may use any flag he wants in this "democratic socialist" site. Democracy and socialism, isnt it paradoxal?

[Arumdaum]

Indeed, it's not terribly surprising hearing that from someone with a Turkish flag.

Though that's obviously not the case throughout much of the rest of the world.

I am not from Turkey, dear friend. Everybody may use any flag he wants in this "democratic socialist" site. Democracy and socialism, isnt it paradoxal?

No.

[Arumdaum]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

Nationality is not based on ethnicity.

It's usually based on other things. For example, although my ethnicity is American, I am both an American national (for being born in America), and a South Korean national (my parents were South Korean citizens at the time).

A person with another ethnicity can definitely be one of my own countrymen if they want to.

[SD_Film Artists]

An Englishman can be French?

Then, sir, he is no Englishman!

Why else do you think I have this outrageous accent??

[Letonija]

Nationality and ethnicity is really in peoples minds. Its up to person to decide who he is and make his own personal identity. I seen many ethnic Latvians, who think like Russians and supports only Russia. I am Latvian and Jewish born, but I consider myself part of Latvians, speak Latvian and vote for nationalist party. There is many Jews who fight for Russian rights and are Russian nationalists. The genes and blood certainly affect the peoples identity, but man must decide who does he belong to.

[Biop]

Ill tell ya what i put on the BS tests (Basic Skills) Human, Cornite, When they ask What is a Cornite i poit tords the window at the Con fields

[Sith Korriban]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

I call bullshit on that one. I'm Australian. My fellow Australians come in a variety of shades, and I'm cool with that. It doesn't make them any less Australian.

Regarding OP's discussion, though... I'm a mixedy sort. Depending on available categories I'll refer to myself as Anglo-Celtic, which covers the majority of my heritage, Caucasian, and so on. But I see myself as Australian as the main thing, ethnicity being far less relevant there.

[Aethelstania]

Personally I tihnk ethnicity is pointless to mention. Knowing someones Ethnic group is only usefull if your going to socialy engineer or segregate. Ethnicity is noones buissness ! saying that I would hate it to become a taboo as in you cant even mention someone looks different to you because thats just silly !

[Quoi de Neuf]

the nationality is based on ethnicity. A person with other ethncity cant be a real "nationmate""

In my opinion, Nationality is based on what country you identify with. Whereas Ethnicity is based on what history you identify with. And saying that someone of a different ethnic background can't a a real "nationmate" is discriminitory/racist and that's not very nice.

[Turan Federasyonu]

You think so because most of you are from immigrant sociies like america, canada, australia and so on. İn places where the vast majority are local indegineous people from one background the ethnicity is the nationality

[Sith Korriban]

You think so because most of you are from immigrant sociies like america, canada, australia and so on. İn places where the vast majority are local indegineous people from one background the ethnicity is the nationality

So you're saying in places where most people are one ethnicity, that nation and ethnicity tend to be correlated? Say it ain't so! What a revelation! One might just as easily say that because I put socks in a drawer, I tend to call it a sock drawer! Amazing!

(Incidentally, I put socks and swimwear in the same drawer. Oddly enough, I still call it a sock drawer. But I digress.)

You don't even get it, do you? Your gross generalisation was ridiculous. You did not specify those particular countries, before. And cupcake? Our societies are just as much cohesive, distinct nations as yours. Furthermore, you're an immigrant too. Most people are. Your ancestors just did their migration a bit earlier.

[Senchi]

i am american

[Distruzio]

Creole ethnically.

My nationality is not how I define myself. I associate myself with my country, Georgia, before my nation. Why? B/c my nation coercively compels my identification with it, Georgia asks for it. I can move from Georgia anytime I wish, I cannot move from the Union whenever I like - despite the statist insistence that I can.