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Should we allow nudism?

No. It is just wrong
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Yes but only in some selected appropriate place(beach)
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Yes everywhere
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Russenich » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:34 am

Wrong Wrong wrong. How could anyone be for Nudism. I mean gayness could be seen as natural but Nudism, please no.

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Postby Chimaea » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:37 am

Russenich wrote:Wrong Wrong wrong. How could anyone be for Nudism. I mean gayness could be seen as natural but Nudism, please no.


Jawohl, mein Fuhrer! ;)

Aaand I'm going to bed. It's been fun, people. We should do this again sometime, if that other dude doesn't track me down and stab me =/
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Postby Saint Clair Island » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:46 am

Russenich wrote:Wrong Wrong wrong. How could anyone be for Nudism. I mean gayness could be seen as natural but Nudism, please no.

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Postby Sdaeriji » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:50 am

Russenich wrote:Wrong Wrong wrong. How could anyone be for Nudism. I mean gayness could be seen as natural but Nudism, please no.


I lol'd.

So you think that clothes, which are made artificially by man, are more natural than no clothes?
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Parthenon » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:51 am

Rentalia wrote: There are more much more immoral thing like TV show where children are tought to be greedy materialistic consumistic drone,film with random explicit sex scenes or conservative propaganda that teach children that war is something to be proud of


How did I guess some little BS Marxist rant was on the way when I read "WE SHOULD GIVE THE MINORITY RIGHTS EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT PART OF IT"?
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Postby Tonzapan » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:53 am

He's got a point. Most Nude people are cretins who think they can have their own way by whining about their civil rights.

I needed to say that :p

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Postby Saint Clair Island » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:55 am

Parthenon wrote:
Rentalia wrote: There are more much more immoral thing like TV show where children are tought to be greedy materialistic consumistic drone,film with random explicit sex scenes or conservative propaganda that teach children that war is something to be proud of


How did I guess some little BS Marxist rant was on the way when I read "WE SHOULD GIVE THE MINORITY RIGHTS EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT PART OF IT"?

Beats me, considering that Marx himself was against public nudity.

(Seriously, you try to find just one line from Das Kapital or something condoning it.)
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Treznor » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:08 am

Russenich wrote:Wrong Wrong wrong. How could anyone be for Nudism. I mean gayness could be seen as natural but Nudism, please no.

Yeah! If we were meant to be naked, we would have been born that way! Right?

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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:16 am

We can't let people go around naked. Think of the children!

*Arrests all of you for thinking about naked kids* :)
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Cabra West » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:18 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:We can't let people go around naked. Think of the children!

*Arrests all of you for thinking about naked kids* :)


*lol
Funnily enough, children will most likely have a LOT less problems with this than some of the posters here... ;)
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Natapoc » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:28 am

Sure :) everywhere.

What is wrong with the human body? No argument presented justifies outlawing it. Just because it would no longer be illegal does not mean everyone would start going naked all the time and no one would be forced to be naked.

But anyway, the government should have no right to dictate the types of clothes you decide to wear.

Oh... and when you shake hands with someone you are touching naked body parts of someone else. Hands are naked! Except for people who wear gloves everywhere.

But with all the other problems in the world this does not seem like as much of a major issue to me. I'll start working on it after the 100 or so other other injustices are gone.
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:49 am

We have our own solution to the issue.

it's called living in the Adirondacks.

The temperature will not even reach seventy today; we can't swim!

Even with all our clothes on!
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Postby Saint Clair Island » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:03 am

Natapoc wrote:What is wrong with the human body? No argument presented justifies outlawing it.

Society (i.e. the majority) is uncomfortable with the display of certain body parts; hence, society should be permitted to ban the display of those body parts.

Seems as reasonable an argument as any.


Oh... and when you shake hands with someone you are touching naked body parts of someone else. Hands are naked! Except for people who wear gloves everywhere.

I've considered doing that, but while nothing says class like white kid gloves, society (again, the majority) tends to think that kind of thing is rude now, as opposed to in the past when it was fashionable. Hence, it's easier just to carry around some hand sanitizer and use it whenever the person I've just shaken hands with isn't looking.
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Postby Lucky Bicycle Works » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:13 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:We can't let people go around naked. Think of the children!

*Arrests all of you for thinking about naked kids* :)


*triggers departmental enquiry, causing great consternation in the Attorney General's department, and crashing into the public eye as the "Big Brother Case" *

I'm thinking of the children.

And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Lucky Bicycle Works » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:19 am

Saint Clair Island wrote:
Natapoc wrote:What is wrong with the human body? No argument presented justifies outlawing it.

Society (i.e. the majority) is uncomfortable with the display of certain body parts; hence, society should be permitted to ban the display of those body parts.

Seems as reasonable an argument as any.


Congratulations. You are in favour of the burqa.

Hang on, aren't you kinda middling on the burqa?

Hang the fuck on. You are in favour of the enforcement of the burqa, with legal sanctions, on public streets.

Because society is uncomfortable with the display of a woman's face, and hence should be permitted to ban the display of a woman's face.
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Saint Clair Island » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:23 am

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:
Saint Clair Island wrote:
Natapoc wrote:What is wrong with the human body? No argument presented justifies outlawing it.

Society (i.e. the majority) is uncomfortable with the display of certain body parts; hence, society should be permitted to ban the display of those body parts.

Seems as reasonable an argument as any.


Congratulations. You are in favour of the burqa.

Hang on, aren't you kinda middling on the burqa?

Hang the fuck on. You are in favour of the enforcement of the burqa, with legal sanctions, on public streets.

Because society is uncomfortable with the display of a woman's face, and hence should be permitted to ban the display of a woman's face.

Certain societies are, yes. In those societies,enforcement of the burqa is perfectly okay.

In the Anglosphere, in what we'd call "American society" or "English society" or "Australian society", display of women's faces is quite acceptable, so enforcing burqas is just silly.

Moreover, society's opinions change. Two hundred years ago enslavement of black people on the basis of skin colour was acceptable and legally justifiable. Nowadays, it's totally immoral and wrong.
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Postby The imperian empire » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:26 am

I'm pretty sure being naked in public in the UK is legal, it only becomes illegal if you perform a lewd act.

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Postby Lucky Bicycle Works » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:30 am

The imperian empire wrote:I'm pretty sure being naked in public in the UK is legal, it only becomes illegal if you perform a lewd act.


That guy who walked naked from the north to the south is quite a hero to me.

Fucken excellent work. Though it's a short island, there are a lot of people between to top and bottom of it. Well played sir!

No nutter like a British Nutter, I say. :)
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Postby Poliwanacraca » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:32 am

I think it is entirely reasonable to require that the genitals and anus be covered when in public, because there are inherent health risks in letting people rub their assholes on things. It has been correctly pointed out that there are also inherent health risks in letting people breathe on things - the rather important distinction is that there are pretty darn obvious reasons to let people breathe in public; there really isn't a reason that anyone needs to bare their ass in public. I do not think there is any justifiable reason for the law to mandate covering any parts besides the genitals and anus, because at that point the issue is not one of "we'd like to minimize the risk of typhoid outbreaks" but of "ew, boobies are scary."
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Postby Niur » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:34 am

fine, just don't expect me to do it, even if clothes become ilegal, i don't care. and maybe we geneticly hybridize people with something furry, like a cat or something, that way we don't hhave to look at their junk.
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Postby Saint Clair Island » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:37 am

Poliwanacraca wrote:I think it is entirely reasonable to require that the genitals and anus be covered when in public, because there are inherent health risks in letting people rub their assholes on things. It has been correctly pointed out that there are also inherent health risks in letting people breathe on things - the rather important distinction is that there are pretty darn obvious reasons to let people breathe in public; there really isn't a reason that anyone needs to bare their ass in public.

There really isn't a reason that anyone needs to go around topless in public, or to bare their arms or legs, or to have their face uncovered.

Your point being?
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Postby Allied Governments » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:40 am

The recent trend of threads seems to be suggesting humans want to lose much of our culture and human identity.

What you are suggesting, and the recent string of thread I've been seeing, is to make ourselves once again intelligent animals, clothing ourselves is a sign of intelligence, it's a sign of cultural identity (clothes oftentimes hold some sort of cultural value, depending on where you live.)
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Postby Treznor » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:43 am

Allied Governments wrote:The recent trend of threads seems to be suggesting humans want to lose much of our culture and human identity.

What you are suggesting, and the recent string of thread I've been seeing, is to make ourselves once again intelligent animals, clothing ourselves is a sign of intelligence, it's a sign of cultural identity (clothes oftentimes hold some sort of cultural value, depending on where you live.)

I thought the trend indicated a willingness to explore variations in culture and identity rather than sticking to traditional thought for the sake of tradition. A culture that does not change is a culture that is dying.

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Postby Lucky Bicycle Works » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:46 am

Saint Clair Island wrote:
Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:
Saint Clair Island wrote:Society (i.e. the majority) is uncomfortable with the display of certain body parts; hence, society should be permitted to ban the display of those body parts.

Seems as reasonable an argument as any.


Congratulations. You are in favour of the burqa.

Hang on, aren't you kinda middling on the burqa?

Hang the fuck on. You are in favour of the enforcement of the burqa, with legal sanctions, on public streets.

Because society is uncomfortable with the display of a woman's face, and hence should be permitted to ban the display of a woman's face.

Certain societies are, yes. In those societies,enforcement of the burqa is perfectly okay.


Really? You are honestly OK with a law which decrees that for women, NO PART of the body can be shown in public?

Not the face. Not even the eyes. You would be tolerant (aye, in support of) a law which bans women from showing any part of their body in public?

And I thought your were a European. I am sadly disappointed.

In the Anglosphere, in what we'd call "American society" or "English society" or "Australian society", display of women's faces is quite acceptable, so enforcing burqas is just silly.

Moreover, society's opinions change. Two hundred years ago enslavement of black people on the basis of skin colour was acceptable and legally justifiable. Nowadays, it's totally immoral and wrong.


*cough*

I would hope that you and myself would not, two hundred years ago, have kept a slave. That if we gained any benefit from the keeping of slaves, that we would try to liberate ourselves from that odious advantage. And I would expect that if you in 2009 kept a slave, you would do the decent thing: walk into a police station and confess.

You said a stupid thing. Best you just retract it, I think.
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Re: Naturism should be legal. Period

Postby Andorias » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:46 am

Rentalia wrote:I'm not a naturist but I don't see why someone and the law should force someone to wear cloth.

We think there is something wrong in "those body parts" because we are trained like that from childhood in the same way that muslim women are brainwashed that there is something wrong to reveal their form or their hair

some common objection

a)You are a pervent....you just should see naked chicks!

No i'm no a pervent and i know that for every naturist "chicks" there should be 9 man and 6 fat old lady naturist. I just want to defend the rights of a minority(naturist)

b)If we legalize nudism the world will be a immense immoral orgy

no naturist will continue to be a minority. IN catalonia naturism is legal and see someone walking naked is uncommon

c)Who think about the children?

Nude is natural. I don't mind if my daughter or my sister see a nude guy.I mind if my daughter or my sister see an Anorexic top model and want to become like her
There are more much more immoral thing like TV show where children are tought to be greedy materialistic consumistic drone,film with random explicit sex scenes or conservative propaganda that teach children that war is something to be proud of


do you mean that in Catalonia people can go to the mall naked? :eyebrow:

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