What's the worst which could happen to Obama?

[Anticommunist States]

You can't win just playing to the base whether you are an R or D. I would not go as far as to call him 100% conservative. I also don't think that he could do that again. It's the time and context that made him able to do as well as as he did. He couldn't do that not. I am a fiscal conservative and slightly more liberal on social issues. Let the party keep drifting further towards the base and let them see insignificance for years to come. The American people are less authoritarian than people try to make them out to be. Freedom is derived from the people not government.

People who say things like "we need to move away from the base" are the reason the Republican Party is looking more blue by the day - soon there won't even be a voice for conservatives in U.S. Politics. It'll just be a choice between "liberal" or "crack-pot fringe liberal". I'm tired of voting always meaning choosing the lesser of the two evils. I'm a small Federal Government, Large State Power - pro Abortionist. Why should I have to choose? Why can't someone get with the program? Where's my change I can believe in? Nowhere to be found. Liberals never say: "we need to move from the base" - they say: "let's expand our base to include every single American".

But I digress, no - Reagan was not 100% conservative, Just as Obama isn't 100% liberal (he's 99.9999%). And the political attack machines on both sides of the aisle too strong now to someone like Reagan or Obama to happen again. As long as human beings run the government - they will always be corrupted by the power. So shouldn't we be trying to limit the power we put in the hands of a few? Think about it.

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

to mention that hawaii is not america , america just controls it

thus obama is a fake! and should be thrown out of office and jailed as he was never born in america

Arguments like this are absolute nonsense. All the world worth mentioning is part of the USA, even if the current residents of Italy et al don't know it yet.
If you were born on this planet, and it wasn't in the North Pole or Russia or someplace stupid like that, then you were born in the USA. That's the new Manifest Destiny, motherfucker.

[Meoton]

Some nutball will probably assassinate him, whether or not he manages to accomplish anything.

I would really like to see real health care reform, but I doubt that is going to happen.

We have ...
White Supremecists who know he's Black
Religious fanatics who think he's thee/or one of thee AntiChist(s)
Gun Nuts who think he's coming for their guns.
Self described patriots that think he's a Communist plant
Self described patriots that think he's another Hitler
Religious nuts who think he's going to re-legalize abortion (or something)
I'm sorry if I left anyone out.

[Meoton]

Oh, I forgot.
The Birthers who think he wasn't born in the U.S.

[Gauthier]

Oh, I forgot.
The Birthers who think he wasn't born in the U.S.

Right-Wing Evangelicals who think he's a Socialist Muslim.

[Flameswroth]

I put assassinate. I'm not sure how anything could be worse than dying and leaving a family behind, with the possible exception of any afterlife punishments some might be inclined to believe.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

seems pretty clear to me that assassination is worse than the other poll options...

Assassination is worse than the "other" poll option. How very small-minded

i just saw your previous post, lolz yes i didn't really factor black holes into my theory and i apologise for letting standards slip.

[Robustian]

Dear God reading this thread is just mind numbing. When the person posting for the right wing perspective that makes the most sense in jest is NM it is sad. Reading here Obama has destroyed the Robust (ian) economy he has handed, made everyone around the world hate or pity us, declared martial law, removed the right to bear arms, attacked the entire free market, etc. It's all bullshit you people are making up to be inflammatory or just proof of your own stupidity. It's people like you and the rest who think Sarah Palin is a statesmen. She is the reason I as a Republican didn't vote for McCain. Even McCain wasn't crazy enough for most of you people. You seem to think that by going even farther right you will not alienate even more people. I won't call the healthcare crazies paid protesters because I would like to think someone who was paid professionally might have a fricken clue. As for the only real claim I will just call you out on Robustian is that in 10 there will be a slight majority in both houses for the Republicans. A swing that huge has never and will never happen. I'd like to make a wager with you. If your prediction fails (which it will) you have to think before posting or not post at all. If you are right then I'd do the same. Seriously, this thread isn't even a debate. It's like a BS competition on who can song craziest.

Well, we know at least one thing... You haven't a clue.

Wonderful rebuttal. I mean, what can I say now? Listen, I am a product of the US military which gave the the opportunity to go to a wonderful private university in NJ. "Go Tigers." I hold a BA/BS and MA from this fine place. You want to battle me then you better bring it boy.

I'll let reality smack you down. I've been watching politics since the days of Reagan ( but I was a liberal back then ), and you simply have no clue about how incredibly fired up the right is. And, it's converting the middle at a rate I've not even dreamed possible. You're following the "rules of politics as usual" and it isn't happening. Nobody in the media predicted the GOP thrashing the democrats two years into Clinton. Lots of what have been considered completely safe D seats are going to fall. Further, the left hasn't got either the numbers, nor the enthusiasm. Congress has an approval rating barely into 2 digits. In a year, Obama will be wishing he had Bush's approval ratings.

Obama's thug mentality is going to earn him both the ire and disrespect of pretty much the whole right, the middle, and the moderate left. We hold such things as the right to tell the government to shove off and free speech in extreme regard, but Obama's working frantically to curtail them. What you fail to grasp, is that Obama is not really a liberal, he is a statist. Liberals at least give lip service to free speech and democratic idealism. Obama has none of those, and cares nothing about them. When the FCC starts attempting to control the content of all broadcast media, and Obama takes that side, against free speech, he's going to take another huge drop, just like the socialized medicine effort hurt him. Except this time, it'll be the hurt coming from an entirely different constituency... the one that got him elected.

This shoe will drop just before 2010 election season. You're going to see signficant Democrat party support and defense of media control, and it's going to shrink Obama's base dramatically. And, the Democrat voter base.

Cap and trade is going to be another fight where Obama loses yet another signficant percentage of his "base". Believe it or not, people really do not like unemployment, nor high utility bills. The fight on Cap and Trade hasnt' even happened. If you think that the town halls over health care were contentious, wait until the argument starts over that. Ammunition is being gathered, research done, and stored, waiting for the fight. More importantly, nobody will be believing Obama's promises about any of these. His "every statement has an expiration date" character is going to come and bite him big time.

[Tech-gnosis]

I'll let reality smack you down. I've been watching politics since the days of Reagan ( but I was a liberal back then ), and you simply have no clue about how incredibly fired up the right is. And, it's converting the middle at a rate I've not even dreamed possible. You're following the "rules of politics as usual" and it isn't happening. Nobody in the media predicted the GOP thrashing the democrats two years into Clinton. Lots of what have been considered completely safe D seats are going to fall. Further, the left hasn't got either the numbers, nor the enthusiasm. Congress has an approval rating barely into 2 digits. In a year, Obama will be wishing he had Bush's approval ratings.

Congress had a low approval rating before the democrats won even more seats, last election. Congressional approval ratings mean little to individual elections of Congressional seats. Why else would most Americans dislike Congress while liking their Congressman?

Obama's thug mentality is going to earn him both the ire and disrespect of pretty much the whole right, the middle, and the moderate left. We hold such things as the right to tell the government to shove off and free speech in extreme regard, but Obama's working frantically to curtail them. What you fail to grasp, is that Obama is not really a liberal, he is a statist. Liberals at least give lip service to free speech and democratic idealism. Obama has none of those, and cares nothing about them. When the FCC starts attempting to control the content of all broadcast media, and Obama takes that side, against free speech, he's going to take another huge drop, just like the socialized medicine effort hurt him. Except this time, it'll be the hurt coming from an entirely different constituency... the one that got him elected.

What thug mentality?

Cap and trade is going to be another fight where Obama loses yet another signficant percentage of his "base". Believe it or not, people really do not like unemployment, nor high utility bills. The fight on Cap and Trade hasnt' even happened. If you think that the town halls over health care were contentious, wait until the argument starts over that. Ammunition is being gathered, research done, and stored, waiting for the fight. More importantly, nobody will be believing Obama's promises about any of these. His "every statement has an expiration date" character is going to come and bite him big time.

You mean a Cap and trade system like the one Mccain said he supported during the Presidential election and the bill he co-sponsored?

[Liuzzo]

Dear God reading this thread is just mind numbing. When the person posting for the right wing perspective that makes the most sense in jest is NM it is sad. Reading here Obama has destroyed the Robust (ian) economy he has handed, made everyone around the world hate or pity us, declared martial law, removed the right to bear arms, attacked the entire free market, etc. It's all bullshit you people are making up to be inflammatory or just proof of your own stupidity. It's people like you and the rest who think Sarah Palin is a statesmen. She is the reason I as a Republican didn't vote for McCain. Even McCain wasn't crazy enough for most of you people. You seem to think that by going even farther right you will not alienate even more people. I won't call the healthcare crazies paid protesters because I would like to think someone who was paid professionally might have a fricken clue. As for the only real claim I will just call you out on Robustian is that in 10 there will be a slight majority in both houses for the Republicans. A swing that huge has never and will never happen. I'd like to make a wager with you. If your prediction fails (which it will) you have to think before posting or not post at all. If you are right then I'd do the same. Seriously, this thread isn't even a debate. It's like a BS competition on who can song craziest.

Well, we know at least one thing... You haven't a clue.

Wonderful rebuttal. I mean, what can I say now? Listen, I am a product of the US military which gave the the opportunity to go to a wonderful private university in NJ. "Go Tigers." I hold a BA/BS and MA from this fine place. You want to battle me then you better bring it boy.

I'll let reality smack you down. I've been watching politics since the days of Reagan ( but I was a liberal back then ), and you simply have no clue about how incredibly fired up the right is. And, it's converting the middle at a rate I've not even dreamed possible. You're following the "rules of politics as usual" and it isn't happening. Nobody in the media predicted the GOP thrashing the democrats two years into Clinton. Lots of what have been considered completely safe D seats are going to fall. Further, the left hasn't got either the numbers, nor the enthusiasm. Congress has an approval rating barely into 2 digits. In a year, Obama will be wishing he had Bush's approval ratings.

Obama's thug mentality is going to earn him both the ire and disrespect of pretty much the whole right, the middle, and the moderate left. We hold such things as the right to tell the government to shove off and free speech in extreme regard, but Obama's working frantically to curtail them. What you fail to grasp, is that Obama is not really a liberal, he is a statist. Liberals at least give lip service to free speech and democratic idealism. Obama has none of those, and cares nothing about them. When the FCC starts attempting to control the content of all broadcast media, and Obama takes that side, against free speech, he's going to take another huge drop, just like the socialized medicine effort hurt him. Except this time, it'll be the hurt coming from an entirely different constituency... the one that got him elected.

This shoe will drop just before 2010 election season. You're going to see signficant Democrat party support and defense of media control, and it's going to shrink Obama's base dramatically. And, the Democrat voter base.

Cap and trade is going to be another fight where Obama loses yet another signficant percentage of his "base". Believe it or not, people really do not like unemployment, nor high utility bills. The fight on Cap and Trade hasnt' even happened. If you think that the town halls over health care were contentious, wait until the argument starts over that. Ammunition is being gathered, research done, and stored, waiting for the fight. More importantly, nobody will be believing Obama's promises about any of these. His "every statement has an expiration date" character is going to come and bite him big time.[/quote]

I see a lot of projection and conjecture here with nothing to back it up. Everything you are saying is your own projection and not anything to do with reality. You are presenting a "Pancake Rain Tuesday: scenario. "Obama is behving like a thug" HAHAHA. I wish you were here to laugh in your face. "Obama's taking away free speech" is another laugher. Congressional approval ratings have been low for the longest time. I'll find the stats somewhere in my archives which show that the average Democratic member in congress has a higher rate than the Republicans. There's nothing to really debate in anything you say because it's all your predictions. Don't want to take me up on the idiotic statement you made saying the R's will have a slight lead in both houses of congress? You see, I actually went and got statistics that say that snowball you are waiting to throw won't hold on in hell. So I will wait for you to say something we can actually debate based on some sort of evidence. In closing I'll make a prediction just like yours...In the 2010 elections Obama will declare that farm animals will be considered human and will be his undoing as cows love Republicans and will vote for them.

[Liuzzo]

I'll let reality smack you down. I've been watching politics since the days of Reagan ( but I was a liberal back then ), and you simply have no clue about how incredibly fired up the right is. And, it's converting the middle at a rate I've not even dreamed possible. You're following the "rules of politics as usual" and it isn't happening. Nobody in the media predicted the GOP thrashing the democrats two years into Clinton. Lots of what have been considered completely safe D seats are going to fall. Further, the left hasn't got either the numbers, nor the enthusiasm. Congress has an approval rating barely into 2 digits. In a year, Obama will be wishing he had Bush's approval ratings.

Congress had a low approval rating before the democrats won even more seats, last election. Congressional approval ratings mean little to individual elections of Congressional seats. Why else would most Americans dislike Congress while liking their Congressman?

Obama's thug mentality is going to earn him both the ire and disrespect of pretty much the whole right, the middle, and the moderate left. We hold such things as the right to tell the government to shove off and free speech in extreme regard, but Obama's working frantically to curtail them. What you fail to grasp, is that Obama is not really a liberal, he is a statist. Liberals at least give lip service to free speech and democratic idealism. Obama has none of those, and cares nothing about them. When the FCC starts attempting to control the content of all broadcast media, and Obama takes that side, against free speech, he's going to take another huge drop, just like the socialized medicine effort hurt him. Except this time, it'll be the hurt coming from an entirely different constituency... the one that got him elected.

What thug mentality?

Cap and trade is going to be another fight where Obama loses yet another signficant percentage of his "base". Believe it or not, people really do not like unemployment, nor high utility bills. The fight on Cap and Trade hasnt' even happened. If you think that the town halls over health care were contentious, wait until the argument starts over that. Ammunition is being gathered, research done, and stored, waiting for the fight. More importantly, nobody will be believing Obama's promises about any of these. His "every statement has an expiration date" character is going to come and bite him big time.

You mean a Cap and trade system like the one Mccain said he supported during the Presidential election and the bill he co-sponsored?

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

[Farnhamia]

I'll let reality smack you down. I've been watching politics since the days of Reagan ( but I was a liberal back then ), and you simply have no clue about how incredibly fired up the right is. And, it's converting the middle at a rate I've not even dreamed possible. You're following the "rules of politics as usual" and it isn't happening. Nobody in the media predicted the GOP thrashing the democrats two years into Clinton. Lots of what have been considered completely safe D seats are going to fall. Further, the left hasn't got either the numbers, nor the enthusiasm. Congress has an approval rating barely into 2 digits. In a year, Obama will be wishing he had Bush's approval ratings.

Congress had a low approval rating before the democrats won even more seats, last election. Congressional approval ratings mean little to individual elections of Congressional seats. Why else would most Americans dislike Congress while liking their Congressman?

Obama's thug mentality is going to earn him both the ire and disrespect of pretty much the whole right, the middle, and the moderate left. We hold such things as the right to tell the government to shove off and free speech in extreme regard, but Obama's working frantically to curtail them. What you fail to grasp, is that Obama is not really a liberal, he is a statist. Liberals at least give lip service to free speech and democratic idealism. Obama has none of those, and cares nothing about them. When the FCC starts attempting to control the content of all broadcast media, and Obama takes that side, against free speech, he's going to take another huge drop, just like the socialized medicine effort hurt him. Except this time, it'll be the hurt coming from an entirely different constituency... the one that got him elected.

What thug mentality?

Cap and trade is going to be another fight where Obama loses yet another signficant percentage of his "base". Believe it or not, people really do not like unemployment, nor high utility bills. The fight on Cap and Trade hasnt' even happened. If you think that the town halls over health care were contentious, wait until the argument starts over that. Ammunition is being gathered, research done, and stored, waiting for the fight. More importantly, nobody will be believing Obama's promises about any of these. His "every statement has an expiration date" character is going to come and bite him big time.

You mean a Cap and trade system like the one Mccain said he supported during the Presidential election and the bill he co-sponsored?

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

Except, of course, when he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

[Treznor]

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

McCain?

Not willing to sell himself out?

Did we watch the same election?

[Farnhamia]

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

McCain?

Not willing to sell himself out?

Did we watch the same election?

Sure, the election, that's when that Kris something-or-other guy beat, uhm, Adam something ... I voted fifteen times.

[Liuzzo]

I'll let reality smack you down. I've been watching politics since the days of Reagan ( but I was a liberal back then ), and you simply have no clue about how incredibly fired up the right is. And, it's converting the middle at a rate I've not even dreamed possible. You're following the "rules of politics as usual" and it isn't happening. Nobody in the media predicted the GOP thrashing the democrats two years into Clinton. Lots of what have been considered completely safe D seats are going to fall. Further, the left hasn't got either the numbers, nor the enthusiasm. Congress has an approval rating barely into 2 digits. In a year, Obama will be wishing he had Bush's approval ratings.

Congress had a low approval rating before the democrats won even more seats, last election. Congressional approval ratings mean little to individual elections of Congressional seats. Why else would most Americans dislike Congress while liking their Congressman?

Obama's thug mentality is going to earn him both the ire and disrespect of pretty much the whole right, the middle, and the moderate left. We hold such things as the right to tell the government to shove off and free speech in extreme regard, but Obama's working frantically to curtail them. What you fail to grasp, is that Obama is not really a liberal, he is a statist. Liberals at least give lip service to free speech and democratic idealism. Obama has none of those, and cares nothing about them. When the FCC starts attempting to control the content of all broadcast media, and Obama takes that side, against free speech, he's going to take another huge drop, just like the socialized medicine effort hurt him. Except this time, it'll be the hurt coming from an entirely different constituency... the one that got him elected.

What thug mentality?

Cap and trade is going to be another fight where Obama loses yet another signficant percentage of his "base". Believe it or not, people really do not like unemployment, nor high utility bills. The fight on Cap and Trade hasnt' even happened. If you think that the town halls over health care were contentious, wait until the argument starts over that. Ammunition is being gathered, research done, and stored, waiting for the fight. More importantly, nobody will be believing Obama's promises about any of these. His "every statement has an expiration date" character is going to come and bite him big time.

You mean a Cap and trade system like the one Mccain said he supported during the Presidential election and the bill he co-sponsored?

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

Except, of course, when he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.[/quote]

Agreed it was a stupid move.

[Liuzzo]

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

McCain?

Not willing to sell himself out?

Did we watch the same election?

I ask you to focus on the word completely. He did sell out on a great deal of issues. But even he wouldn't let the crazies get their say towards the end and he put a stop to their nutso talk at his rallies.

[Treznor]

Right, tis why I like McCain because he is a smart guy not willing to sell himself out completely for the nutters.

McCain?

Not willing to sell himself out?

Did we watch the same election?

I ask you to focus on the word completely. He did sell out on a great deal of issues. But even he wouldn't let the crazies get their say towards the end and he put a stop to their nutso talk at his rallies.

After stoking up the anti-Democrat/liberal/intellectual fires, he then made a public statement about how we shouldn't do that. Pretty standard politics in the US, don't you think? That doesn't show any particular principle on his part, just some political savvy by his handlers.

[Grave_n_idle]

Until I stop seeing terms like "Bushevik" on this board, .

Ah - so it's a simple lack of understanding?

Bushevik =/= Republic (or Conservative)

[Robustian]

Congress had a low approval rating before the democrats won even more seats, last election. Congressional approval ratings mean little to individual elections of Congressional seats. Why else would most Americans dislike Congress while liking their Congressman?

Again, you're just assuming things are "normal". They are not.

What thug mentality?

His Chicago Mobster approach to all things political.

You mean a Cap and trade system like the one Mccain said he supported during the Presidential election and the bill he co-sponsored?

I'm talking about the one in Congress right now.

[Tech-gnosis]

Again, you're just assuming things are "normal". They are not.

How are they not normal?

His Chicago Mobster approach to all things political.

How is he a Chicago Mobster?

I'm talking about the one in Congress right now.

Like the one the Republican president would have supported if Mccain had won. Yay for bipartisanship.

[Pokemonman]

The worst thing that could happen to Obama....

Being president for another term. (Or another milisecond is bad too) OUR COMMIE PRESIDENT!