What's the worst which could happen to Obama?

[Discount Liquor World]

f I'd known that'd be your reaction, I would have used "Ass-o-crats" instead. Probably more descriptive at that.

New Mitanni, cut it out. Anyone who's trying to come up with an "elephant" (or "pachyderm") plus "Republican" counter-cry, cut that out, too. You're supposed to be debating, not standiing round the playground jeering at each other.

I don't think anyone's up to the tusk of making elephant-related insults just at the moment.

users that violate the rules of the forum are not easily forgotten.

[Anticommunist States]

Ummm. "pick up a gun"? Why? So we can institute a regime that will end up...taking them away?

Almost every Communist revolution has been the result of an Armed revolution, and many of these states had widespread gun ownership... until the institution of Stalinist, bureaucratic dictatorships.

For the record, Nerushimi Rus actually has semi-mandatory gun ownership. saves quite a bit on security, but has a few unintended side effects.

Kinda like Obama and his Alinsky-Worshiping myrmidons?

Alinsky? Eh? I'm so confused.

You would have people create bloodshed just to impose your skewed world-view?

I'm not trying to get off of my ass and start a revolution IRL. I may stick with the ideology of trotskyist socialism, but I'd rather not have to deal with leading a revolution that likely won't come anytime within at least the next 50 years.

You'd better stick to playing NationStates - the only place communism/fascism/socialism can work without hurting any more people than it already has.

1. See above
2. Fascism is largely Corporatist and its adherents are avid haters of Leftist Economics and Democracy. And so, I' m strongly opposed to it.

1st - I'm VERY surprised you don't know of the legendary community-organizer, Saul Alinsky or his book RULES FOR RADICALS.

2nd - Socialism is a broken system of government, that ALWAYS leads to some form of dictatorship, and rampant civil-rights violations. Even though, I, like anyone else would love a utopia - It won't happen as long as governments are run by human beings.

3rd - Fascism is historically a sister philosophy of the progressive movement - which spawned today's Democrat Party. Mussolini was known to be doted on by Lenin and other socialist contemporaries of his day. I believe I correctly grouped Fascism with Socialism and Communism.

[Ardchoille]

Nerushimi Rus and Anticommunist States, have you noticed that the topic of this thread is printed at the top of every post?

Curiously, on my screen it says, "What's the worst which could happen to Obama?", not "Is Communism Fascist?" Strange, since you two seem to be disputing over the latter.

Try addressing the actual topic, not having a slanging match with each other, 'mkay?

[Mad hatters in jeans]

seems pretty clear to me that assassination is worse than the other poll options...

[You-Gi-Owe]

Other.

The worst thing that can happen to Obama is the destruction of his self-image.
This encompasses:
1. Failure to enact policies.
2. Failure to keep the Democratic Party in power at the mid-term/2010 election.
3. Failure to be loved by the populace.
4. Failure to be re-elected.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Other.

The worst thing that can happen to Obama is the destruction of his self-image.
This encompasses:
1. Failure to enact policies.
2. Failure to keep the Democratic Party in power at the mid-term/2010 election.
3. Failure to be loved by the populace.
4. Failure to be re-elected.

i'd have thought death would cover all those and also have the unhelpful advantage of stopping you doing things like being with your family or suchlike.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Assassination is technically possible, though not likely. I would say that's worse than losing political power, but that's just me.

[New Mitanni]

f I'd known that'd be your reaction, I would have used "Ass-o-crats" instead. Probably more descriptive at that.

New Mitanni, cut it out. Anyone who's trying to come up with an "elephant" (or "pachyderm") plus "Republican" counter-cry, cut that out, too. You're supposed to be debating, not standiing round the playground jeering at each other.

I don't think anyone's up to the tusk of making elephant-related insults just at the moment.

Yeah, but in Alabama--Tuscaloosa.

[Melkor Unchained]

Other...
2. Failure to keep the Democratic Party in power at the mid-term/2010 election.

While it's true that in recent history the Democratic Party tends to lose control of Congress in the midterm elections following a presidential victory, I'm not sure that will happen again this time. The Bush presidency was so damaging to the GOP's credibility that I think it might take the electorate a pretty long time to start trusting them again. I think the GOP will win a few seats, but at this point I think it's reasonably likely that the Democrats will maintain control of Congress, barring some unforseen debacle/scandal.

[Non Aligned States]

I think the GOP will win a few seats, but at this point I think it's reasonably likely that the Democrats will maintain control of Congress, barring some unforseen debacle/scandal.

I imagine this is why the noise machine is up and about trying to paint socialized healthcare as "death panels". In lieu of an actual scandal. That and the gifts they get from insurance companies I imagine.

[Megaloria]

The worst thing? Oh, probably exploding space herpes.

[Allbeama]

Nothing bad happening to him is a possibility, but so is anything bad happening to him, its all so hard to tell from the facts at hand, so let's all speculate wildly without regard to reality!

[Liuzzo]

Dear God reading this thread is just mind numbing. When the person posting for the right wing perspective that makes the most sense in jest is NM it is sad. Reading here Obama has destroyed the Robust (ian) economy he has handed, made everyone around the world hate or pity us, declared martial law, removed the right to bear arms, attacked the entire free market, etc. It's all bullshit you people are making up to be inflammatory or just proof of your own stupidity. It's people like you and the rest who think Sarah Palin is a statesmen. She is the reason I as a Republican didn't vote for McCain. Even McCain wasn't crazy enough for most of you people. You seem to think that by going even farther right you will not alienate even more people. I won't call the healthcare crazies paid protesters because I would like to think someone who was paid professionally might have a fricken clue. As for the only real claim I will just call you out on Robustian is that in 10 there will be a slight majority in both houses for the Republicans. A swing that huge has never and will never happen. I'd like to make a wager with you. If your prediction fails (which it will) you have to think before posting or not post at all. If you are right then I'd do the same. Seriously, this thread isn't even a debate. It's like a BS competition on who can song craziest.

I seriously doubt your Republican credentials. And Ronald Reagan alienated enough people to get 59% of the vote and a 49-state landslide. So much for your dextrophobia.

And FYI: in 1964, the Donkocrats gained 36 seats in the House of Representatives. So huge swings have happened before, and God willing will happen again in 2010.

This is the problem with not be able to think in context NM. Also, I like you more and more as time goes by. I just question why you feel the need to use words like Donkocrat? Do you think it does anything to the debate or is it just as I said? You are looking to inflame people. And like I said even a 36 member swing will not put the Respublicans in charge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_States_Congress So thank you for confirming my numbers. I don't know what bringing up Reagan meant but it was ineffectual. I vote Republican in a blue state all the time. I can't wait for this election and hope the Republicans can finally take over NJ. You doubt my credentials because I am a moderate and it seems the national party has no use for us. Oh, except that moderates and independents are who actually win elections.

[Liuzzo]

Dear God reading this thread is just mind numbing. When the person posting for the right wing perspective that makes the most sense in jest is NM it is sad. Reading here Obama has destroyed the Robust (ian) economy he has handed, made everyone around the world hate or pity us, declared martial law, removed the right to bear arms, attacked the entire free market, etc. It's all bullshit you people are making up to be inflammatory or just proof of your own stupidity. It's people like you and the rest who think Sarah Palin is a statesmen. She is the reason I as a Republican didn't vote for McCain. Even McCain wasn't crazy enough for most of you people. You seem to think that by going even farther right you will not alienate even more people. I won't call the healthcare crazies paid protesters because I would like to think someone who was paid professionally might have a fricken clue. As for the only real claim I will just call you out on Robustian is that in 10 there will be a slight majority in both houses for the Republicans. A swing that huge has never and will never happen. I'd like to make a wager with you. If your prediction fails (which it will) you have to think before posting or not post at all. If you are right then I'd do the same. Seriously, this thread isn't even a debate. It's like a BS competition on who can song craziest.

Well, we know at least one thing... You haven't a clue.

Wonderful rebuttal. I mean, what can I say now? Listen, I am a product of the US military which gave the the opportunity to go to a wonderful private university in NJ. "Go Tigers." I hold a BA/BS and MA from this fine place. You want to battle me then you better bring it boy.

[Liuzzo]

And FYI: in 1964, the Donkocrats gained 36 seats in the House of Representatives. So huge swings have happened before, and God willing will happen again in 2010.

Any reason you need to change the Dems' name? If someone started arguing against the Retardlican Party would you take them at all seriously?

To troll and inflame just as I said.

[Liuzzo]

Dear God reading this thread is just mind numbing. When the person posting for the right wing perspective that makes the most sense in jest is NM it is sad. Reading here Obama has destroyed the Robust (ian) economy he has handed, made everyone around the world hate or pity us, declared martial law, removed the right to bear arms, attacked the entire free market, etc. It's all bullshit you people are making up to be inflammatory or just proof of your own stupidity. It's people like you and the rest who think Sarah Palin is a statesmen. She is the reason I as a Republican didn't vote for McCain. Even McCain wasn't crazy enough for most of you people. You seem to think that by going even farther right you will not alienate even more people. I won't call the healthcare crazies paid protesters because I would like to think someone who was paid professionally might have a fricken clue. As for the only real claim I will just call you out on Robustian is that in 10 there will be a slight majority in both houses for the Republicans. A swing that huge has never and will never happen. I'd like to make a wager with you. If your prediction fails (which it will) you have to think before posting or not post at all. If you are right then I'd do the same. Seriously, this thread isn't even a debate. It's like a BS competition on who can song craziest.

Well, we know at least one thing... You haven't a clue.

He did get one thing right (so to speak).

Right, if you just ignore what I said then so. Things I got right: Your huge swing wouldn't tip the balance of the house and using words like Repuglican, Rethuglican, Dombocrat, and Donkocrat serve no purpose but to inflame.

[Reagan States]

Other:
There's always the off-chance that he is killed in blackhole spawned by the Large Haldron Collider.
Also he could be killed in a blackhole spawned by the Large Haldron Collider after having eaten bad sushi.
etc.

[Grave_n_idle]

I think the GOP will win a few seats, but at this point I think it's reasonably likely that the Democrats will maintain control of Congress, barring some unforseen debacle/scandal.

I imagine this is why the noise machine is up and about trying to paint socialized healthcare as "death panels". In lieu of an actual scandal. That and the gifts they get from insurance companies I imagine.

It's pretty ridiculous. If the smear-campaign politics continues in the same vein I expect 2012 political ads to be like: "Bobby Jindal Ate God's Babies. Bad For Daycare, Bad For America" and "Sex Education In Schools Needs To Be Reformed... But How Can You Trust Sarah Palin. She Raped A Monkey To Death".

[Reagan States]

seems pretty clear to me that assassination is worse than the other poll options...

Assassination is worse than the "other" poll option. How very small-minded

[New Mitanni]

This is the problem with not be able to think in context NM. Also, I like you more and more as time goes by. I just question why you feel the need to use words like Donkocrat? Do you think it does anything to the debate or is it just as I said? You are looking to inflame people.

Until I stop seeing terms like "Bushevik" on this board, I will continue to express my corresponding contempt for the other side.

And like I said even a 36 member swing will not put the Respublicans in charge. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_States_C[ongress[/url] So thank you for confirming my numbers.

Read more closely, especially the last sentence. I cited '64 as an example of a "huge swing", not as a prediction of a specific number of seats gained by the GOP.

I don't know what bringing up Reagan meant but it was ineffectual.

What it meant was, Reagan was no "moderate," he was 100% conservative Republican, and he won 59% of the vote. Conservatives don't drive away voters. Wishy-washy trimmers with no clear philosophy are what drive away voters.

I vote Republican in a blue state all the time. I can't wait for this election and hope the Republicans can finally take over NJ. You doubt my credentials because I am a moderate and it seems the national party has no use for us.

Fair enough. I won't get into the "no true Scotsman" argument on your Republican credentials.

Oh, except that moderates and independents are who actually win elections.

Again: Ronald Reagan. 100% conservative. Two-term President. '84 landslide winner.

As for independents, they help conservatives win. They don't win by themselves.

[Germova]

to mention that hawaii is not america , america just controls it

thus obama is a fake! and should be thrown out of office and jailed as he was never born in america

[Liuzzo]

to mention that hawaii is not america , america just controls it

thus obama is a fake! and should be thrown out of office and jailed as he was never born in america

ZzzzZZZZzzz, oh you said something?

[Liuzzo]

This is the problem with not be able to think in context NM. Also, I like you more and more as time goes by. I just question why you feel the need to use words like Donkocrat? Do you think it does anything to the debate or is it just as I said? You are looking to inflame people.

Until I stop seeing terms like "Bushevik" on this board, I will continue to express my corresponding contempt for the other side.

And like I said even a 36 member swing will not put the Respublicans in charge. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_States_C[ongress[/url] So thank you for confirming my numbers.

Read more closely, especially the last sentence. I cited '64 as an example of a "huge swing", not as a prediction of a specific number of seats gained by the GOP.

I don't know what bringing up Reagan meant but it was ineffectual.

What it meant was, Reagan was no "moderate," he was 100% conservative Republican, and he won 59% of the vote. Conservatives don't drive away voters. Wishy-washy trimmers with no clear philosophy are what drive away voters.

I vote Republican in a blue state all the time. I can't wait for this election and hope the Republicans can finally take over NJ. You doubt my credentials because I am a moderate and it seems the national party has no use for us.

Fair enough. I won't get into the "no true Scotsman" argument on your Republican credentials.

Oh, except that moderates and independents are who actually win elections.

Again: Ronald Reagan. 100% conservative. Two-term President. '84 landslide winner.

As for independents, they help conservatives win. They don't win by themselves.

You can't win just playing to the base whether you are an R or D. I would not go as far as to call him 100% conservative. I also don't think that he could do that again. It's the time and context that made him able to do as well as as he did. He couldn't do that not. I am a fiscal conservative and slightly more liberal on social issues. Let the party keep drifting further towards the base and let them see insignificance for years to come. The American people are less authoritarian than people try to make them out to be. Freedom is derived from the people not government.

[JuNii]

to mention that hawaii is not america , america just controls it

thus obama is a fake! and should be thrown out of office and jailed as he was never born in america

and this folks... is why Republicans have a hard time winning support in Hawaii. because their National Party Members keep screwing them over!

the worse thing to happen TO President Obama? his family is killed by an act of terrorism while they are visiting the Middle East.

to be in that sort of Grief, yet having to rely on all those 'advice and opinons' of the allies (remember his campaign speeches?) and not being able to make a move because "America will work With their Allies in JOINT operations" tho... gotta admit. if that did happen (and GOD I pray it doesn't) and he sticks to his campaign ideals... then my respect for the man would increase by leaps and bounds.

[Anticommunist States]

Nerushimi Rus and Anticommunist States, have you noticed that the topic of this thread is printed at the top of every post?

Curiously, on my screen it says, "What's the worst which could happen to Obama?", not "Is Communism Fascist?" Strange, since you two seem to be disputing over the latter.

Try addressing the actual topic, not having a slanging match with each other, 'mkay?

And I did address the topic of the forum. Me and him were having a discussion, where we made a few points on topics related to the thread. I don't feel as though we were trolling each other. He said fascism had nothing to do with socialism. He was wrong and I promptly corrected him. There is no animosity here - merely heated politcal debate and conjecture. Maybe I'll start a thread with a vauge enough topic so as to not have to worry about a Mod trying to shepherd us onto the tight path of the thread.