Iran tries to assasinate Saudi ambassador to the US

[Keronians]

Same as the SEALs, then. They didn't care about Pakistanis dying either, otherwise they wouldn't open fire IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OPEN GARDEN, WHEN THE BODYGUARDS HADN'T EVEN SEEN THEM.

bullets can be controlled a lot better than a bomb.

Not really. Guns can be, sure. Not when you're being fired on on all sides.

Your priority is eliminating the threat. Soon as you see a target you'll shoot, not go "oh, but there may be someone over there... nah, I'll just let this guy kill me".

[Keronians]

Uh, yeah, you would.

Iran's got pretty good anti-air defences, and a navy designed for these sorts of things.

What do you think they've been doing for the past 30 years? Sleeping, thinking the US will never dare attack them?

lol why do you think their being so provactive? sending their fleet close, supporting a assassination plot, its PRECISELY because the US won't really hit them.

Yeah, because the US knows that attacking Iran is a bad, bad idea.

Iran's not bluffing. If you attack it, you will suffer.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Listen, I love American hegemony, I really do. But just bombing countries because you can is not good policy.

I never said to bomb because we simply can...

Yes, yes; in retaliation for attempting to assasinate the Saudi Ambassador on U.S soil. But then the U.S still has a number of options avaliable - including to use this as a justification for war (won't happen btw), - and thus start bombing them because they can - or they could look at what their long term interests are with regard to an ideal Iranian relationship, which would be their policymakers being more friendly, or at least less hostile to U.S interests, eventually - in which case, bombing them is not a good idea.

[Lessnt]

New York Rep. Peter King, speaking to CNN’s Erin Burnett, said the alleged Iranian plot should be taken seriously by U.S. officials. “This is an act of war. It has raised this relationship, between the United States and Iran, to a very precipitous level,” King said.

“This violates all international norms, it violates all international laws, and this is an act of war. We can’t allow this to go without a strong reaction," King said, who chairs the Homeland Security Committee.

“I’m saying we should at least consider a sign of military action ... something," he said, adding that U.S. officials should even consider removing Saudi Arabian diplomats from the country. “I think everything should be kept on the table.”

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Maybe war? /
Or militant action? /
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Tom Kean, former chairman of the 9/11 Commission said the alleged plot "surprises me." Speaking to CNN's Erin Burnett, Kean said the plot is "pretty close to an act of war. You don’t go in somebody’s capital to blow somebody up.”

[Sremski okrug]

That doesn't change the fact that a shitload of American troops are going to die as well. Probably well over a hundred thousand.

Yeah, ton of US aid they're trying to replace with Chinese aid. Soon as they get sufficient Chinese aid, they'll tell you to fuck right off.

We wouldn't need to put ground troops on the ground to rape their military, air superiority can DEVESTATE the vast majority of their forces in no time.

How did that work in Kosovo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV2h4F1OglE

Not well

[The lepearchauns]

I agree that the US wont do anything...for now. Obama knows better than to start a war a little over a year from reelection. However, if Saudi Arabia is pissed over the attempted killing of their ambassador and goes to war, I cant see the US staying out of it. We would immediately jump in to help our oil toting allies and that may help Obama. Its a war with a clear objective and an engrained exit strategy at that point.

[Keronians]

New York Rep. Peter King, speaking to CNN’s Erin Burnett, said the alleged Iranian plot should be taken seriously by U.S. officials. “This is an act of war. It has raised this relationship, between the United States and Iran, to a very precipitous level,” King said.

“This violates all international norms, it violates all international laws, and this is an act of war. We can’t allow this to go without a strong reaction," King said, who chairs the Homeland Security Committee.

“I’m saying we should at least consider a sign of military action ... something," he said, adding that U.S. officials should even consider removing Saudi Arabian diplomats from the country. “I think everything should be kept on the table.”


Maybe war?
Or militant action?

Tom Kean, former chairman of the 9/11 Commission said the alleged plot "surprises me." Speaking to CNN's Erin Burnett, Kean said the plot is "pretty close to an act of war. You don’t go in somebody’s capital to blow somebody up.”

And this is why Rep King is a dangerous man who should never ever be in a position of power.

[Lessnt]

[Updated at 8:04 p.m. ET] Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss released a statement Tuesday, congratulating the FBI, DEA and other federal agencies involved in the case.

"While I believe our justice system will deal appropriately with the defendant in custody, our government must also deal with the Iranian regime," Chambliss said. "In addition to allegedly sponsoring this plot, Iran has supported and provided weapons for attacks on our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. This has continued far too long with no repercussions."


things may get more heated up later.

[Serrland]

New York Rep. Peter King, speaking to CNN’s Erin Burnett, said the alleged Iranian plot should be taken seriously by U.S. officials. “This is an act of war. It has raised this relationship, between the United States and Iran, to a very precipitous level,” King said.

“This violates all international norms, it violates all international laws, and this is an act of war. We can’t allow this to go without a strong reaction," King said, who chairs the Homeland Security Committee.

“I’m saying we should at least consider a sign of military action ... something," he said, adding that U.S. officials should even consider removing Saudi Arabian diplomats from the country. “I think everything should be kept on the table.”

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Maybe war? /
Or militant action? /
////////////////////////////////////////////////
Tom Kean, former chairman of the 9/11 Commission said the alleged plot "surprises me." Speaking to CNN's Erin Burnett, Kean said the plot is "pretty close to an act of war. You don’t go in somebody’s capital to blow somebody up.”

Peter King is a joke without an credibility left.

[Episarta]

Yes! My plan to increase friction between Iran and the rest of the world has succeeded! Bwahahaha! My agents are well trained and will never give up information, you could even cut them apart slowly, bit by bit, and they wouldn't tell a thing. Chaos!

Now, on to phase two...

[Lessnt]

Yes! My plan to increase friction between Iran and the rest of the world has succeeded! Bwahahaha! My agents are well trained and will never give up information, you could even cut them apart slowly, bit by bit, and they wouldn't tell a thing. Chaos!

Now, on to phase two...

[Updated at 8:09 p.m. ET] In their investigation into an alleged plot to kill Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States, federal agents interrogated suspect Manssor Arbabsiar for 12 days, a senior counterterrorism official said Tuesday.

Cooperation from Mexican officials played a key role in the investigation, the official said. U.S. authorities arranged with Mexican officials for Arbabsiar to be denied entry into Mexico, the official said.
From there, he was placed on an airplane to New York, where he was taken into custody and quietly taken to a U.S. government facility, the counterterrorism official said. U.S. authorities interviewed him there every day and compiled dozens of intelligence reports.



......Seems we will hear more....later.

[Costa Fiero]

Iran's not bluffing. If you attack it, you will suffer.

How? Saddam promised the "Mother of All Battles" and ended up being routed out of Kuwait and loosing a hell of a lot of men and equipment. What makes you think Iran will be different?

The fact that Iran has gone out of its way to try to assassinate someone is proof that whatever peaceful intentions they had have long since vanished. Saudi Arabia can use this to do whatever it wants and the Iranians can't say a single thing different.

[North Calaveras]

I honestly think that the Cartels would never help them, they probably helped turn them in if anything, since it would make it harder for them to do their drug operations. They had nothing to really gain from helping the Iranians.

[Lessnt]

Iran's not bluffing. If you attack it, you will suffer.

How? Saddam promised the "Mother of All Battles" and ended up being routed out of Kuwait and loosing a hell of a lot of men and equipment. What makes you think Iran will be different?

The fact that Iran has gone out of its way to try to assassinate someone is proof that whatever peaceful intentions they had have long since vanished. Saudi Arabia can use this to do whatever it wants and the Iranians can't say a single thing different.

And of course we side with our allies.
So if they go to war we will provide them with plenty of support.

[Sremski okrug]

Iran's not bluffing. If you attack it, you will suffer.

How? Saddam promised the "Mother of All Battles" and ended up being routed out of Kuwait and loosing a hell of a lot of men and equipment. What makes you think Iran will be different?

The fact that Iran has gone out of its way to try to assassinate someone is proof that whatever peaceful intentions they had have long since vanished. Saudi Arabia can use this to do whatever it wants and the Iranians can't say a single thing different.

That's because most of his military ran away at the sign of trouble and the loyal units were outnumbered and outclassed. The Iranian Military is better armed, trained and has a shed load more loyalty.

[North Calaveras]

How? Saddam promised the "Mother of All Battles" and ended up being routed out of Kuwait and loosing a hell of a lot of men and equipment. What makes you think Iran will be different?

The fact that Iran has gone out of its way to try to assassinate someone is proof that whatever peaceful intentions they had have long since vanished. Saudi Arabia can use this to do whatever it wants and the Iranians can't say a single thing different.

That's because most of his military ran away at the sign of trouble and the loyal units were outnumbered and outclassed. The Iranian Military is better armed, trained and has a shed load more loyalty.

that's debatable.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I agree that the US wont do anything...for now. Obama knows better than to start a war a little over a year from reelection. However, if Saudi Arabia is pissed over the attempted killing of their ambassador and goes to war, I cant see the US staying out of it. We would immediately jump in to help our oil toting allies and that may help Obama. Its a war with a clear objective and an engrained exit strategy at that point.

Seeing as the Sauds rely on the U.S for their security, they wouldn't go to war without the U.S's consent.

At worst, I think they'll huff and puff and close their embassy.

[Lessnt]

How? Saddam promised the "Mother of All Battles" and ended up being routed out of Kuwait and loosing a hell of a lot of men and equipment. What makes you think Iran will be different?

The fact that Iran has gone out of its way to try to assassinate someone is proof that whatever peaceful intentions they had have long since vanished. Saudi Arabia can use this to do whatever it wants and the Iranians can't say a single thing different.

That's because most of his military ran away at the sign of trouble and the loyal units were outnumbered and outclassed. The Iranian Military is better armed, trained and has a shed load more loyalty.

I guess Americas military having many veterans from 10 years of war count for nothing eh?

[EnragedMaldivians]

That's because most of his military ran away at the sign of trouble and the loyal units were outnumbered and outclassed. The Iranian Military is better armed, trained and has a shed load more loyalty.

that's debatable.

Their revolutionary army (a parrallel one to the states' army incidentally) is more fanatic than anything Saddam had I'm guessing - I'd also wager that they are more loyal.

[North Calaveras]

that's debatable.

Their revolutionary army (a parrallel one to the states' army incidentally) is more fanatic than anything Saddam had I'm guessing - I'd also wager that they are more loyal.

loyalty and fanaticism count for little when face with an enemy who is much more advanced in the weapons department.

[Costa Fiero]

That's because most of his military ran away at the sign of trouble and the loyal units were outnumbered and outclassed. The Iranian Military is better armed, trained and has a shed load more loyalty.

All the Americans and the Saudis need to do is do what the Coalition did. Disable Iran's capacity to wage war at a strategic level and you will render the Iranians incapable of coordinating any counterattacks or even respond in a cohesive manner.

The Iranians are only marginally better equipped and trained than the Iraqis. The Saudis could put up a better defence than the Iranians and that's saying something.

[Sremski okrug]

That's because most of his military ran away at the sign of trouble and the loyal units were outnumbered and outclassed. The Iranian Military is better armed, trained and has a shed load more loyalty.

that's debatable.

No it's not.
Although technically under sanctions the Iranian economy has not completely collapsed and it has functioning infrastructure and a manufacturing sector that can produce it's own small arms, armour, aircraft and naval craft alongside auto-mobiles for civilian use.

Iran also has China and Russia, especially as Russia is going to act stronger seeing as the ruling party has received a lot of stick for the situation in Libya and not veoting the UN resolution.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Their revolutionary army (a parrallel one to the states' army incidentally) is more fanatic than anything Saddam had I'm guessing - I'd also wager that they are more loyal.

loyalty and fanaticism count for little when face with an enemy who is much more advanced in the weapons department.

I was just commenting on the loyalty aspect tbh.

[Serrland]

loyalty and fanaticism count for little when face with an enemy who is much more advanced in the weapons department.

I was just commenting on the loyalty aspect tbh.

That same loyalty led to over a million deaths in the Iran-Iraq war. Fanaticism is dangerous in a land war.

[Costa Fiero]

No it's not.
Although technically under sanctions the Iranian economy has not completely collapsed and it has functioning infrastructure and a manufacturing sector that can produce it's own small arms, armour, aircraft and naval craft alongside auto-mobiles for civilian use.

Iran also has China and Russia, especially as Russia is going to act stronger seeing as the ruling party has received a lot of stick for the situation in Libya and not veoting the UN resolution.

The Russians sell the Iranians sub-performance missiles. And according to our resident Russian, Moscow actually supports sanctions. If anything, the Russians will just sit back and veto any security council resolutions.