CA Governor Encouraging Illegal Immigration?

[California Bay Area]

The ones that get into college would probably be more Likely to stay in then Americans, % wise

How do you KNOW this is what I am asking.

Because they are lucky to even get into college I mean the gov is paying for them and not deporting them

[Lessnt]

How do you KNOW this is what I am asking.

Because they are lucky to even get into college I mean the gov is paying for them and not deporting them

What makes you think they care?
If someone from another state offers them more money.
They will likely go.

[California Bay Area]

For god sake they are in college because of the law plus the majority would stay in cal

How do you know?
We do not.That is their choice.

Big job market, already live there

[California Bay Area]

Because they are lucky to even get into college I mean the gov is paying for them and not deporting them

What makes you think they care?
If someone from another state offers them more money.
They will likely go.

Bigger chance of them finding a job themselfs where they live

[Lessnt]

How do you know?
We do not.That is their choice.

Big job market, already live there

Again we do not know what they will do.(in terms of college and everything)
So I am gonna stop at that.

[California Bay Area]

I see no moral justification whatsoever for the restrictions that create this artificial and morally irrelevant difference.

Morally indifferent?

So people that actually bothered to go through the official 'process' of immigration, fill in those forms and registration and get approved and wait for that etc... should just have not bothered and waltzed in across the border so they could earn a fraction filling in a job that a company would rather not hire an American for (as in: you'd have to pay a living wage, taxes, etc.... hey why do that when you can get away with paying a fraction of that to an illegal)?

You know it's takes a year if not years to be granted citizenship

[New Kilballyowen]

man, so nice to see that california has money to spend that way... btw, hows those state taxes guys?

That's the thing... we don't have money to spend. That's why Governor Brown had to roll out a business incentives package today that conflicts with much of what he's run on, campaigned on, and done as mayor and Governor. It's a rare thing to see small government advocates cheering Jerry Brown. I'm not sure who's more disturbed by it: his opponents, or his supporters.

[F1-Insanity]

Morally indifferent?

So people that actually bothered to go through the official 'process' of immigration, fill in those forms and registration and get approved and wait for that etc... should just have not bothered and waltzed in across the border so they could earn a fraction filling in a job that a company would rather not hire an American for (as in: you'd have to pay a living wage, taxes, etc.... hey why do that when you can get away with paying a fraction of that to an illegal)?

No, the basic point is why should that "process" exist and be required for immigrating in the first place? I see no moral justification whatsoever for it.

Hey I got an idea, lets just abolish all borders and give welfare and/or jobs to the whole world, shall we? I'm sure somehow global eternal bliss shall ensue... just one slight flaw in the plan...

[Lessnt]

Morally indifferent?

So people that actually bothered to go through the official 'process' of immigration, fill in those forms and registration and get approved and wait for that etc... should just have not bothered and waltzed in across the border so they could earn a fraction filling in a job that a company would rather not hire an American for (as in: you'd have to pay a living wage, taxes, etc.... hey why do that when you can get away with paying a fraction of that to an illegal)?

You know it's takes a year if not years to be granted citizenship

Which goes to show your snuffing those who wait.
Being impaitent is no excuse.
ALOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO AMERICA.Which is why it takes so long.

[California Bay Area]

No, the basic point is why should that "process" exist and be required for immigrating in the first place? I see no moral justification whatsoever for it.

Hey I got an idea, lets just abolish all borders and give welfare and/or jobs to the whole world,
shall we? I'm sure somehow global eternal bliss shall ensue... just one slight flaw in the plan...

Except for the border I don't see a problem

[Bei Song]

Why is he called "Moon-beam," and is that supposed to be an insult?

[California Bay Area]

You know it's takes a year if not years to be granted citizenship

Which goes to show your snuffing those who wait.
Being impaitent is no excuse.
ALOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO AMERICA.Which is why it takes so long.

Think... What could be the promblem with that long of a wait

[F1-Insanity]

Morally indifferent?

So people that actually bothered to go through the official 'process' of immigration, fill in those forms and registration and get approved and wait for that etc... should just have not bothered and waltzed in across the border so they could earn a fraction filling in a job that a company would rather not hire an American for (as in: you'd have to pay a living wage, taxes, etc.... hey why do that when you can get away with paying a fraction of that to an illegal)?

You know it's takes a year if not years to be granted citizenship

So?

We cannot let half the world come in. There has to be some kind of limit. And yes, we should be picky and choosy. And besides, there's a huge moral hazard at continuously taking the 'best and brightest' away from their home countries... and also a moral hazard in letting in tons of potential cheap labor that will price American workers out of a job. As said, why pay an American a living wage if you can get away with paying an illegal a fraction?

[California Bay Area]

Why is he called "Moon-beam," and is that supposed to be an insult?

I never heard it before but I just figured it was a nick name

[Bluth Corporation]

You know it's takes a year if not years to be granted citizenship

So?

We cannot let half the world come in.

Why not? If they want to come, who are "we" to restrict them? It's one thing if they're trespassing on an individual's private property--then general trespassing laws are fine, and it doesn't matter if they're an immigrant or not. But if the owner doesn't mind them being there, or they own the property themselves, who are "we" to override that decision?

Certainly, there may be morally relevant circumstances that may justify the state removing someone from someone's private property even if the property owner has no objection to that person being there--such as when the person in question has harmed or is about to or is in the process of harming someone else. But I don't see why having started out from the wrong side of an arbitrary line on the map with no moral relevance itself is among them.

[California Bay Area]

You know it's takes a year if not years to be granted citizenship

So?

We cannot let half the world come in. There has to be some kind of limit. And yes, we should
be picky and choosy. And besides, there's a huge moral hazard at continuously taking the 'best and brightest' away from their home countries... and also a moral hazard in letting in tons of potential cheap labor that will price American workers out of a job. As said, why pay an American a living wage if you can get away with paying an illegal a fraction?

Immigration is a good thing for the economy as the saying goes the more the merrier

[Lessnt]

Which goes to show your snuffing those who wait.
Being impaitent is no excuse.
ALOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO AMERICA.Which is why it takes so long.

Think... What could be the promblem with that long of a wait

Nothing.
Drug cartels do not go on mass killings everyday.
Most mexians still live in mexico.

[Lessnt]

So?

We cannot let half the world come in. There has to be some kind of limit. And yes, we should
be picky and choosy. And besides, there's a huge moral hazard at continuously taking the 'best and brightest' away from their home countries... and also a moral hazard in letting in tons of potential cheap labor that will price American workers out of a job. As said, why pay an American a living wage if you can get away with paying an illegal a fraction?

Immigration is a good thing for the economy as the saying goes the more the merrier

EH.....no.
All mass exoduses have been accompanied with major problems.

[Lessnt]

So?

We cannot let half the world come in.

Why not? If they want to come, who are "we" to restrict them? It's one thing if they're trespassing on an individual's private property--then general trespassing laws are fine, and it doesn't matter if they're an immigrant or not. But if the owner doesn't mind them being there, or they own the property themselves, who are "we" to override that decision?

Certainly, there may be morally relevant circumstances that may justify the state removing someone from someone's private property even if the property owner has no objection to that person being there--such as when the person in question has harmed or is about to or is in the process of harming someone else. But I don't see why having started out from the wrong side of an arbitrary line on the map with no moral relevance itself is among them.

WE are the ones who live here.
We are the ones whos lives may be effected negatively by it.

[Unchecked Expansion]

moral hazard in letting in tons of potential cheap labor that will price American workers out of a job. As said, why pay an American a living wage if you can get away with paying an illegal a fraction?

So the problem is not illegal immigration, it is illegal pay. Which is not going to be solved by building fences, but maybe by looking a little closer at business practises

[Lessnt]

moral hazard in letting in tons of potential cheap labor that will price American workers out of a job. As said, why pay an American a living wage if you can get away with paying an illegal a fraction?

So the problem is not illegal immigration, it is illegal pay. Which is not going to be solved by building fences, but maybe by looking a little closer at business practises

Which is not happening.
Thus scrap minimum wage altogether.
It is cheaper and puts more americans to work.

[California Bay Area]

Think... What could be the promblem with that long of a wait

Nothing.
Drug cartels do not go on mass killings everyday.
Most mexians still live in mexico.

Ok there is poverty and a lot of people not getting enough to eat but they have to wait years to get into the us of a. But they have a good chance of getting across the border illegally and boom they have a better life.

[Lessnt]

Nothing.
Drug cartels do not go on mass killings everyday.
Most mexians still live in mexico.

Ok there is poverty and a lot of people not getting enough to eat but they have to wait years to get into the us of a. But they have a good chance of getting across the border illegally and boom they have a better life.

So they made their decision.Now they live with it.
People are free to make mistakes.
WE have people in poverty and people here not getting enough to eat.(surprising but true)

[Bluth Corporation]

Why not? If they want to come, who are "we" to restrict them? It's one thing if they're trespassing on an individual's private property--then general trespassing laws are fine, and it doesn't matter if they're an immigrant or not. But if the owner doesn't mind them being there, or they own the property themselves, who are "we" to override that decision?

Certainly, there may be morally relevant circumstances that may justify the state removing someone from someone's private property even if the property owner has no objection to that person being there--such as when the person in question has harmed or is about to or is in the process of harming someone else. But I don't see why having started out from the wrong side of an arbitrary line on the map with no moral relevance itself is among them.

WE are the ones who live here.

What do you mean by "here," exactly? The United States? California? Because if you mean either of those things, I don't see how simply living in a certain geographical region, defined arbitrarily based on morally irrelevant criteria, confers upon the people who live in that area a right to restrict the freedom of others from outside that area and owners of property within that area to come to a mutual agreement to allow those from outside to enter the property of those particular owners inside, based on criteria that are also completely morally irrelevant.

We are the ones whos lives may be effected negatively by it.

1. "affected"
2. Immigrants' lives will be negatively affected by your decision to exclude them. Why is your will any more important than theirs?

[California Bay Area]

Immigration is a good thing for the economy as the saying goes the more the merrier

EH.....no.
All mass exoduses have been accompanied with major problems.

Oh really they take a lot of the jobs we would not do even if they weren't here . They are not taking Anyones job away exept maybe a 15 year old. This leads to a better economy why it does I haven't really understood but we then go for the big paying( money wise) jobs thus leading to a better economy but again the immigrates alone make a better economy .