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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:22 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:The basic building block compounds of life form spontaneously and easily given the right ingredients. Given those basic ingredients, fairly stochastic, aqueous environment to allow for electrolytic chemistry, and an incredible amount of time, a small number of very primitive self-replicators could eventually form. These self-replicators could then improve through evolution.

The self-replicators don't even need the aqueous environment, there was something a while back about life like particles being found in a charged dust cloud in space or something similar, but I'm having trouble pinning it down, all I can find is from 2007, but it was more recent than that.

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:26 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:The self-replicators don't even need the aqueous environment, there was something a while back about life like particles being found in a charged dust cloud in space or something similar, but I'm having trouble pinning it down, all I can find is from 2007, but it was more recent than that.

Edit: typo


I suppose it might be possible, but electrolytic chemistry is such a boon to spontaneous chemical processes, and water is such a common chemical compound, that it is unnecessary to speculate about non-aqueous life for the purposes of explaining life on earth.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:27 pm

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Postby Drachmar » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:29 pm

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Panspermia

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Technically, Panspermia doesn't answer how life began, just how it might have gotten to any given planet. The space cruising organisms would still have had to come from abiogenesis.


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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:32 pm

When two complementary oligonucleotides love each other very much, they form a very special secondary structure...
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:33 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:The self-replicators don't even need the aqueous environment, there was something a while back about life like particles being found in a charged dust cloud in space or something similar, but I'm having trouble pinning it down, all I can find is from 2007, but it was more recent than that.

Edit: typo


I suppose it might be possible, but electrolytic chemistry is such a boon to spontaneous chemical processes, and water is such a common chemical compound, that it is unnecessary to speculate about non-aqueous life for the purposes of explaining life on earth.

True, I just like the fact that life isn't limited to wet areas. It reminds me of a great quote that I can't seem to find at the moment, something along the lines of "Wherever life can survive, it thrives. Where it can't, it takes a bit longer."
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Postby Belvadaire » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:33 pm

Life comes from life, Makes sense right? philosophers even amit that, scientist can't even create life without taking a substance from a living organism. Not trying ro promote religion in any sort, but it's common sense. I just stood back and looked at everyone I walk past every day, and think, " everybody have a unique mind-set, it has to come from a unlimited higher being, we can't make millions of things diffrent, because our perspective is limited, and our mind is limited, we find ourselves doing things over and over, we can't go to much further as far thinking.It truly take a mind with unlimited means to created things you see today, from earth figures to the stars above, every star has a diffrent figure shape, think about it, the truth is right in your face but most people tend to be stubborn of that fact, just look around, and ask yourself, could one human being make all this amazing sights, from earth to the stars, to the oxygen that we breathe, to the very strength of a being? everyone on earth know the truth to that question, but blined by educational pride, they only see through their degrees of philosophy.

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Postby DEATH HOUSE » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:34 pm

one thery of how life was created was so elements going together at the exact temp to creat a simple cell then came evolution :geek: mouse :!: oops you aredy said it :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:35 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:The self-replicators don't even need the aqueous environment, there was something a while back about life like particles being found in a charged dust cloud in space or something similar, but I'm having trouble pinning it down, all I can find is from 2007, but it was more recent than that.

Edit: typo


I suppose it might be possible, but electrolytic chemistry is such a boon to spontaneous chemical processes, and water is such a common chemical compound, that it is unnecessary to speculate about non-aqueous life for the purposes of explaining life on earth.

That's a mighty sweeping conclusion for something we know so little about.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Belvadaire wrote:Life comes from life, Makes sense right? philosophers even amit that, scientist can't even create life without taking a substance from a living organism. Not trying ro promote religion in any sort, but it's common sense. I just stood back and looked at everyone I walk past every day, and think, " everybody have a unique mind-set, it has to come from a unlimited higher being, we can't make millions of things diffrent, because our perspective is limited, and our mind is limited, we find ourselves doing things over and over, we can't go to much further as far thinking.It truly take a mind with unlimited means to created things you see today, from earth figures to the stars above, every star has a diffrent figure shape, think about it, the truth is right in your face but most people tend to be stubborn of that fact, just look around, and ask yourself, could one human being make all this amazing sights, from earth to the stars, to the oxygen that we breathe, to the very strength of a being? everyone on earth know the truth to that question, but blined by educational pride, they only see through their degrees of philosophy.

Scientist have tried a few times in a few laboratories over a few decades. Physics had the entire universe try constantly for billions of years. Please don't act like a lack of results on the scientists' part is because life is somehow magical.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Belvadaire wrote:Life comes from life, Makes sense right? philosophers even amit that, scientist can't even create life without taking a substance from a living organism. Not trying ro promote religion in any sort, but it's common sense. I just stood back and looked at everyone I walk past every day, and think, " everybody have a unique mind-set, it has to come from a unlimited higher being, we can't make millions of things diffrent, because our perspective is limited, and our mind is limited, we find ourselves doing things over and over, we can't go to much further as far thinking.It truly take a mind with unlimited means to created things you see today, from earth figures to the stars above, every star has a diffrent figure shape, think about it, the truth is right in your face but most people tend to be stubborn of that fact, just look around, and ask yourself, could one human being make all this amazing sights, from earth to the stars, to the oxygen that we breathe, to the very strength of a being? everyone on earth know the truth to that question, but blined by educational pride, they only see through their degrees of philosophy.

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Belvadaire wrote:Life comes from life, Makes sense right? philosophers even amit that, scientist can't even create life without taking a substance from a living organism. Not trying ro promote religion in any sort, but it's common sense. I just stood back and looked at everyone I walk past every day, and think, " everybody have a unique mind-set, it has to come from a unlimited higher being, we can't make millions of things diffrent, because our perspective is limited, and our mind is limited, we find ourselves doing things over and over, we can't go to much further as far thinking.It truly take a mind with unlimited means to created things you see today, from earth figures to the stars above, every star has a diffrent figure shape, think about it, the truth is right in your face but most people tend to be stubborn of that fact, just look around, and ask yourself, could one human being make all this amazing sights, from earth to the stars, to the oxygen that we breathe, to the very strength of a being? everyone on earth know the truth to that question, but blined by educational pride, they only see through their degrees of philosophy.


In common, everyday experience, life comes from life.

In reality, life is entirely made of non-life. Not a single atom in any human body is "alive."
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Postby Rainbows and Rivers » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Belvadaire wrote:Life comes from life, Makes sense right?


Generally, but it's not a fundamental law of nature or anything.

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Postby JJ Place » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:14 pm

Why does it matter how life managed to come about?
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JJ Place wrote:Why does it matter how life managed to come about?


Well, it's actually a pretty interesting question, isn't it?

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Postby The lepearchauns » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:18 pm

at some point the conditions became perfect for an amino acid to form in a pool of water. those acids formed into the first single cell organism. eventually evolution took its course and life started
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Postby JJ Place » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:22 pm

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JJ Place wrote:Why does it matter how life managed to come about?


Well, it's actually a pretty interesting question, isn't it?

It's a damn interesting question. But, Why does it matter? We're all here, we're all alive, and through research we can all be well. Why concern ourselves with discovery of the details of the creation of life?
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:25 pm

JJ Place wrote:It's a damn interesting question. But, Why does it matter? We're all here, we're all alive, and through research we can all be well. Why concern ourselves with discovery of the details of the creation of life?


Why not concern ourselves with it? What is the point in rejecting curiosity? When has shutting the door on intellectual inquiry ever done anything good for anyone?
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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:30 pm

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No. Don't ever stop. Don't ever, ever stop. Please.

As to life? It occurred because it did. The past is a really dumb thing to waste your brain on, as it existed as a necessity given that our current state of affairs could not have arisen had the exact past we know not have occurred. Life was created because life as we know it exists. Maybe a time traveler from the year 3100 accidentally left some germs on a pre-life Earth while trying to gather some of those sweet, sweet pre-life minerals.
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H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:The past is a really dumb thing to waste your brain on, as it existed as a necessity given that our current state of affairs could not have arisen had the exact past we know not have occurred.


The past is where all observations come from. Everything we know about the world, we only know by examining events that already occurred.
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Postby Calenhardon » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:57 pm

JJ Place wrote:
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Well, it's actually a pretty interesting question, isn't it?

It's a damn interesting question. But, Why does it matter? We're all here, we're all alive, and through research we can all be well. Why concern ourselves with discovery of the details of the creation of life?


Because we can and we want too.
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Four-sided Triangles wrote:
JJ Place wrote:It's a damn interesting question. But, Why does it matter? We're all here, we're all alive, and through research we can all be well. Why concern ourselves with discovery of the details of the creation of life?


Why not concern ourselves with it? What is the point in rejecting curiosity? When has shutting the door on intellectual inquiry ever done anything good for anyone?

Never at all; inquiry is a virtue of all success, an ingredient in all successful batters. However, why are we considering this question, a question of such great magnitude, in it's current form and formulation?
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Postby Calenhardon » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:42 pm

JJ Place wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Why not concern ourselves with it? What is the point in rejecting curiosity? When has shutting the door on intellectual inquiry ever done anything good for anyone?

Never at all; inquiry is a virtue of all success, an ingredient in all successful batters. However, why are we considering this question, a question of such great magnitude, in it's current form and formulation?


Because no one has come up with a better form and formulation yet?
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