Pragmatism Versus Ideology

[Freedonia Et Tu]

In the past few years we have seen many political arguments, but they've been in very narrow perimeters, and very compromising.

Should we continue along the path of the prevalent Pragmatism that is seen in the major parties of democracies, where compromise is key, or should we move in a new direction, where ideology takes a major role in political decision making?

[Ashmoria]

ideology should inform our pragmatism.


its pragmatic to understand that you cant do it all at once. its pragmatic to get what you can when you can.

its stupid to risk it all on an "all or nothing" ideology.

[Mr Bananagrabber]

Pragmatism all the way.

[Freedonia Et Tu]

ideology should inform our pragmatism.


its pragmatic to understand that you cant do it all at once. its pragmatic to get what you can when you can.

its stupid to risk it all on an "all or nothing" ideology.

That does seem true, but it seems that more and more, there is no such thing as ideology. Nobody stands for something any more.

[Ashmoria]

ideology should inform our pragmatism.


its pragmatic to understand that you cant do it all at once. its pragmatic to get what you can when you can.

its stupid to risk it all on an "all or nothing" ideology.

That does seem true, but it seems that more and more, there is no such thing as ideology. Nobody stands for something any more.

hey

the teaparty republicans in congress stand for something and they vote that way no matter how destructive it is to the country.

[Freedonia Et Tu]

That does seem true, but it seems that more and more, there is no such thing as ideology. Nobody stands for something any more.

hey

the teaparty republicans in congress stand for something and they vote that way no matter how destructive it is to the country.

That is true, but in terms of real policy makers that aren't a one hit wonder destructive force, ideology has gone mostly.

[Ashmoria]

hey

the teaparty republicans in congress stand for something and they vote that way no matter how destructive it is to the country.

That is true, but in terms of real policy makers that aren't a one hit wonder destructive force, ideology has gone mostly.

it still exists but its corrupted (in congress) by the big money interests funding everyones re-election.

[Freedonia Et Tu]

It's corrupted around the whole world. Money is the focus now. The religion is money, the ideology is money.

[Pope Joan]

I lived in an idealistic communal system with thousands of members, for four years.

Everybody was bright and well intentioned.

It was thoroughly political, you had to run everything through a committee, personal influence was the real social capital and often was abused, it smelled like Red China.

[Mr Bananagrabber]

It's corrupted around the whole world. Money is the focus now. The religion is money, the ideology is money.

Same as it ever was.

[Grave_n_idle]

ideology should inform our pragmatism.


its pragmatic to understand that you cant do it all at once. its pragmatic to get what you can when you can.

its stupid to risk it all on an "all or nothing" ideology.

That does seem true, but it seems that more and more, there is no such thing as ideology. Nobody stands for something any more.

I wish this were so. Quite the reverse, if anything.

[Conserative Morality]

Ideology, in order to be implemented, demands, pragmatism.

[GeneralHaNor]

I can't stand idly by, while people willing embrace evil in the name of "gettin things done"

[Ceannairceach]

ideology should inform our pragmatism.


its pragmatic to understand that you cant do it all at once. its pragmatic to get what you can when you can.

its stupid to risk it all on an "all or nothing" ideology.

That does seem true, but it seems that more and more, there is no such thing as ideology. Nobody stands for something any more.

I stand for just pragmatism *nod*

[Ashmoria]

I can't stand idly by, while people willing embrace evil in the name of "gettin things done"

i can.

[GeneralHaNor]

I can't stand idly by, while people willing embrace evil in the name of "gettin things done"

i can.

Then you have lost my respect
Theoritically

[Ashmoria]

i can.

Then you have lost my respect
Theoritically

it happens

[Lost Earth]

That does seem true, but it seems that more and more, there is no such thing as ideology. Nobody stands for something any more.

hey

the teaparty republicans in congress stand for something and they vote that way no matter how destructive it is to the country.

Wow, so do the liberals....
On the OP, I can definitely see that pragmatism has a place in government and ecnomics. Its limit is when it is applied to religon/ethics.

[Escchelary]

Ideology seems nice but is ridiculous to implement while others exist. I've always supported pragmatism and utilitarianism (in moderate amounts) as they are the only things that get anything done.

[Chumblywumbly]

...or should we move in a new direction, where ideology takes a major role in political decision making?

I don't see this at all.

Contemporary Western politics have been dominated by the ideology of neoliberalism for around two decades. Here in the UK, we're seeing a whole swathe of deeply ideological policy decisions, attempting to dramatically change the make-up of our society.