Discussion on White Nationalism

[Dakini]

I'd also be willing to bet male, straight, cis, middle class or higher and able bodied.

Bold is correct.

You're trans?

[Dyakovo]

i have to agree with Terra Agora on this one, its a little bit of a grey area but there is a difference between white pride and white supremacist. One can be proud of their race yet be tolerant of others. I am proud of America yet I don't HATE other nations.

What does this have to do with "white pride"?

[North Calaveras]

i have to agree with Terra Agora on this one, its a little bit of a grey area but there is a difference between white pride and white supremacist. One can be proud of their race yet be tolerant of others. I am proud of America yet I don't HATE other nations.

What does this have to do with "white pride"?

just trying to compare(probably didn't work as well as i thought), you can have white pride and not hate other races.

[Terra Agora]

Bold is correct.

You're trans?

I don't know what "cis" is even if it is a word.

[Terra Agora]

What does this have to do with "white pride"?

just trying to compare(probably didn't work as well as i thought), you can have white pride and not hate other races.

Obviously if you take pride in being white you hate all races.
Note, this only applies to white people.

[Dakini]

You're trans?

I don't know what "cis" is even if it is a word.

Cis in this context = cis-gendered (as opposed to trans-gendered).

It's also used in chemistry.

[Dyakovo]

You're trans?

I don't know what "cis" is even if it is a word.

an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.

In other words, the opposite of transgendered.

[Terra Agora]

I don't know what "cis" is even if it is a word.

Cis in this context = cis-gendered (as opposed to trans-gendered).

It's also used in chemistry.

Okay then.
So no, I'm not trans gendered I'm happy how I am.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I don't know what "cis" is even if it is a word.

Cis in this context = cis-gendered (as opposed to trans-gendered).

It's also used in chemistry.

I actually was confused about it too. You don't see it terribly often in the context of gender.

[Dyakovo]

just trying to compare(probably didn't work as well as i thought), you can have white pride and not hate other races.

Obviously if you take pride in being white you hate all races.
Note, this only applies to white people.

Considering you have failed to show any instance where "white pride" is not the same thing as "white supremacy" it is a safe assumption that people just use the former to describe themselves because of the obviousness of their attitudes if they were to use the latter.

[Dakini]

Cis in this context = cis-gendered (as opposed to trans-gendered).

It's also used in chemistry.

I actually was confused about it too. You don't see it terribly often in the context of gender.

If you're going to discuss privilege, being cis is one of them.

[Terra Agora]

Obviously if you take pride in being white you hate all races.
Note, this only applies to white people.

Considering you have failed to show any instance where "white pride" is not the same thing as "white supremacy" it is a safe assumption that people just use the former to describe themselves because of the obviousness of their attitudes if they were to use the latter.

You're saying you have to have organisations of known/famous people to prove that there are non racist people who are proud to be white? That's bullshit...

[Dyakovo]

Considering you have failed to show any instance where "white pride" is not the same thing as "white supremacy" it is a safe assumption that people just use the former to describe themselves because of the obviousness of their attitudes if they were to use the latter.

You're saying you have to have organisations of known/famous people to prove that there are non racist people who are proud to be white? That's bullshit...

To prove it? Yes. And of course you think its bullshit. You always think its bullshit that you should have to prove your claims.

[Terra Agora]

You're saying you have to have organisations of known/famous people to prove that there are non racist people who are proud to be white? That's bullshit...

To prove it? Yes. And of course you think its bullshit. You always think its bullshit that you should have to prove your claims.

Oh yes, baseless assertions.
How many examples do I need of people who are "proud to be white" and not racist?

[Alaje]

Finding true nationalists is hard, I've never actually met a White nationalist in person. I have however had the misfortune of meeting a Black Supremacist last year, he was into that "Black Isrealite" shit, he invited me to come hear some of his group's preaching.....needless to say I refused.

[Dyakovo]

To prove it? Yes. And of course you think its bullshit. You always think its bullshit that you should have to prove your claims.

Oh yes, baseless assertions.
How many examples do I need of people who are "proud to be white" and not racist?

If you could come up with one, it would certainly be a good start...

[Terra Agora]

Finding true nationalists is hard, I've never actually met a White nationalist in person. I have however had the misfortune of meeting a Black Supremacist last year, he was into that "Black Isrealite" shit, he invited me to come hear some of his group's preaching.....needless to say to refused.

A lot of social conservative groups equate white as a culture contrary to a race so I guess you can call them "white nationalists."

[Terra Agora]

Oh yes, baseless assertions.
How many examples do I need of people who are "proud to be white" and not racist?

If you could come up with one, it would certainly be a good start...

Vice President of the NRA

The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of those wise old dead white guys who invented this country. Now, some flinch when I say that. Why? It's true...they were white guys. So were most of the guys who died in Lincoln's name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a good thing, while "white pride" conjures up shaved heads and white hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated in the media as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I'll tell you why: Cultural warfare.

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/speech.html

[Distruzio]

White privilege is just as silly as white supremacy.

You mean the idea that white privilege exists is silly?

quite.

[Dyakovo]

If you could come up with one, it would certainly be a good start...

Vice President of the NRA

The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of those wise old dead white guys who invented this country. Now, some flinch when I say that. Why? It's true...they were white guys. So were most of the guys who died in Lincoln's name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a good thing, while "white pride" conjures up shaved heads and white hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated in the media as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I'll tell you why: Cultural warfare.

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/speech.html

That would be an example of stupidity, not "white pride not being white supremacy"

[Terra Agora]

Vice President of the NRA



http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/speech.html

That would be an example of stupidity, not "white pride not being white supremacy"

He's advocating white pride and he's not saying one race is better then another.
So yes I'm correct. Why this concept is so obscure to you idk...

[Dyakovo]

That would be an example of stupidity, not "white pride not being white supremacy"

He's advocating white pride and he's not saying one race is better then another.
So yes I'm correct. Why this concept is so obscure to you idk...

The man is an idiot. He doesn't know the difference between a march in support of equal rights and a march in support of turning the country into a theocracy. And apparently you don't either...

[Seperates]

I'm not sure why one would be proud of the fact that s/he happened to be born of a specific color or nationality... such people are small-minded fools.

[Terra Agora]

He's advocating white pride and he's not saying one race is better then another.
So yes I'm correct. Why this concept is so obscure to you idk...

The man is an idiot. He doesn't know the difference between a march in support of equal rights and a march in support of turning the country into a theocracy. And apparently you don't either...

I'm not talking about that...
You're avoiding what I said...
Those marches are irrelevant.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I actually was confused about it too. You don't see it terribly often in the context of gender.

If you're going to discuss privilege, being cis is one of them.

Yeah... I don't have a lot of those kinds of discussions, unless you count hanging around NSG.

Frankly, I don't want to have a lot of those kinds of discussions if they are going to be framed in terms of "white privilege," "cis privilege," etc. The rights that cis-gendered white people have are not privileges; they are rights to which everyone is entitled.