NationStates

Do you think rapist and other capital criminals should be sentenced to death?

EX.1

Casey anthony

Rapist

Any of you can add videos proving your point as well

No, I do not support the Death Penalty, as I do not believe the state has the right to issue murder as a punishment...Depending on circumstance, I could see life imprisonment for some...

No.

Both of your links were about people convicted of murder. Is anyone suggesting the death penalty for rape?

Let me change that

I do support the death penalty, but only in the case of 1st degree premeditated murder. Only when a person makes a conscious and planned decision to terminate another's life.

For rapists, long prison sentences. Life without parole for anyone who rapes a child.

If someone faces execution for rape, then what is there to stop them from killing their victims?

Also, what if someone is falsely convicted? Rape laws aren't exactly the most enlightened or realistic, and it's quite easy for some to be convicted when they did no wrong (while for others it's hard to convict someone who committed an obvious wrong).

Killing people for rape would also keep people form reporting it if it were a close friend or family member -- many rapes are by people known to the victim. This is one of many reasons why in the US their Supreme Court banned killing child rapists.

Thanks for the update.

I don't support the death penalty under almost any circumstances. I say 'almost' any because, in the highly unlikely, near sci-fi event that a convicted murderer has proven able to escape even the most secure jails multiple times, execution would be the only way to permanently protect the public from menace. But like I said: not likely outside of a movie.

It certainly brings up questions about what function the penal system is intended to serve. If it's meant to punish, there's certainly an argument that child sexual abuse, while horrific, does not deprive the victim of his/her life as murder does. If it's meant to rehabilitate, there is no question that capital punishment has no place. If it's meant to protect the public, I think statistics will show that child rapists are far likelier to commit the same crime if released from prison than those convicted of murder are.

I don't think the death penalty is warranted for just rape. Its not like its murder, its just unwelcome or illegal sex.

At the same time, I think it should still be legal to kill a rapist in the act, as self-defense or justifiable homocide. Once the rapist is arrested after the fact, the death penalty is really uncalled for and unjustified unless the victim was killed as well.

Besides the point, the death penalty is more expensive to impliment then just keeping them confined untill they die. If you are going to write off a human being's life, you might as well take the less expensive option.

No, the death penalty is retarded.

Virtud Tierra wrote:I don't think the death penalty is warranted for just rape. Its not like its murder, its just unwelcome or illegal sex.

At the same time, I think it should still be legal to kill a rapist in the act, as self-defense or justifiable homocide. Once the rapist is arrested after the fact, the death penalty is really uncalled for and unjustified unless the victim was killed as well.

Besides the point, the death penalty is more expensive to impliment then just keeping them confined untill they die. If you are going to write off a human being's life, you might as well take the less expensive option.

Rape is not "just unwelcome sex". It is a violent physical and sexual assault that leaves victims with lifelong psychological scars. It can also leave them with physical injury. And considering all of the links in the OP were about child murderers and rapists, the idea that sex with children is simply "unwelcome" is... extremely disturbing.

I'm fairly sure self-defense under any circumstances where one's life and safety are in danger, even if such self-defense ends in death, is justified.

Ryadn wrote:Both of your links were about people convicted of murder. Is anyone suggesting the death penalty for rape?

I suggest it...

Meh, personally, I have no issue with the death penalty, but don't see the point in expanding its coverage. (BTW, why are two of the three cases in there involving murder, not rape?)

Colonic Immigration wrote:No, the death penalty is retarded.

While I agree with your sentiments, CI, I don't think that your eloquent, thought-out, well-reasoned argument is going to be convincing anybody any time soon.

Surote wrote:Do you think rapist and other capital criminals should be sentenced to death?

No. If the punishment for murder and rape is equal, there is no reason for the rapist to not murder his victim afterwards. Or before.

Well, in the broad sense of the world, rape pretty much is just sex without given consent. It does not always imply physical injury.

People can have long-lasting emotional scars from a car accident, but I don't think we should be executing people for crashing into somebody's car either.

Murder is really the only thing that could justify the death penalty.

Okay, first off all I don't see the death penalty for rape as really logical at all. Now, to those saying rape covers a broad range of acts, so does murder, we wouldn't be talking about killing all rapists, as we don't kill all murders. It would be the hashes punishment for the worst offenders, not something just handed out randomly. Now, for child rape, I totally support chemical castration, 100%. They took premeditated action to rape a child, they deserve it.

People can have long-lasting emotional scars from a car accident, but I don't think we should be executing people for crashing into somebody's car either

You're comparing rape - an intentional, destructive exploitation of weakness for sexual/mental gratification with a car accident? Even if you tried to kill someone intentionally with a car that's intentional homicide - yes you'd have some similarities but trying to compare the two is a bit of a stretch.

For first offenders, if no additional violence was involved, the current laws are probably sufficient. For repeat offenders or aggravating circumstances: life in prison, no parole, no privileges of any kind, hard labor. And hope that the inmates will do society a favor.

Barzan wrote:If someone faces execution for rape, then what is there to stop them from killing their victims?

Also, what if someone is falsely convicted? Rape laws aren't exactly the most enlightened or realistic, and it's quite easy for some to be convicted when they did no wrong (while for others it's hard to convict someone who committed an obvious wrong).

Killing people for rape would also keep people form reporting it if it were a close friend or family member -- many rapes are by people known to the victim. This is one of many reasons why in the US their Supreme Court banned killing child rapists.

This.

Of all the crimes out there, and I have no statistics to back up my hypothesis, I would imagine rape to be one of the ones that most commonly secures false convictions.

Suspected rapists need to be treated with a bit more respect in general, I think. Once their name hits the newspapers, that's it - their life is over, they are perverts for the rest of time, even if they are found innocent. After a conviction, sure, release the details to the press.

Anyway, tangent aside, there's no real justification, nor logical motivation, to execute rapists. It's an emotional crime, and victims commonly know their attackers. Life in a jail should be more than enough punishment - I believe the average inmates detest people convicted of sexual crimes.

Thread title changed due to shittiness.

Barzan wrote:

Colonic Immigration wrote:No, the death penalty is retarded.

While I agree with your sentiments, CI, I don't think that your eloquent, thought-out, well-reasoned argument is going to be convincing anybody any time soon.

He asked my opinion - I gave it. I don't see any point in it.

Suvon wrote:

People can have long-lasting emotional scars from a car accident, but I don't think we should be executing people for crashing into somebody's car either

You're comparing rape - an intentional, destructive exploitation of weakness for sexual/mental gratification with a car accident? Even if you tried to kill someone intentionally with a car that's intentional homicide - yes you'd have some similarities but trying to compare the two is a bit of a stretch.

Well of course you are right, I'm not making a direct comparison to the two things, so much as I'm illustrating that just because a crime causes emotional damage doesn't mean it should additionally justify the death penalty.

Surote wrote:Do you think rapist and other capital criminals should be sentenced to death?

EX.1

Casey anthony

Rapist

Any of you can add videos proving your point as well

No , the punishment is superior to the damage inflicted.

Nope, taking a life, even criminal life, is reprehensible.