Is rape deserving of capital punishment?

[SaintB]

I support capital punishment only in cases of the most vile and destructive of deliberatly perpetrated crimes against (an) induvidual(s). In most cases rape itself should not justify anything remotely resembling the death sentence. However I do beleive that tougher penalties should be instituted upon those who commit violent sex crimes and the courts should re-evaluate their definition of sex crime.

[Gelgisith]

No, nothing is.

EDIT: Poll?

[Birminghamia]

If the prisons in West Europe and offshoots (sorry Americans ) were lower quality, we could avoid these death penalty arguments.

Seriously, when a person is raped, emotionally, their life as they knew it is over. For children, it's 10x worse.

I have a "creative" solution to this problem:
I personally believe the governments of the world should construct two islands in the middle of the Atlantic (so one couldn't swim or use a primitive boat to float away): one for male rapists, and one for female rapists (before commenting, think statutory rape) (the segregation is to prevent procreation (many psychologists think being a rapist is a hereditary thing (nested parentheses!))). When there are enough rapists convicted to fill a plane, we drop them onto their respective island. These islands are not provided with food, water, shelter, nothing. If they all starve, great, if they set up a self-sufficient society, great.

If you think that's the craziest and most stupid solution yet, don't worry, that means it'll be the next thing Congress passes (along with a law allowing animals to sue).

[Saint Jade IV]

Absolutely not. Even if I did support the death penalty, I certainly would not support it for anything short of outright murder. Being that I don't support the death penalty at all, I could not justify it for a crime like rape, which covers a whole range of offences, some brutal and horrific, some far more gray.

Although, it may make the plethora of men all to eager to justify raping unconscious women for example, less inclined to do so.

[Birminghamia]

Absolutely not. Even if I did support the death penalty, I certainly would not support it for anything short of outright murder. Being that I don't support the death penalty at all, I could not justify it for a crime like rape, which covers a whole range of offences, some brutal and horrific, some far more gray.

Although, it may make the plethora of men all to eager to justify raping unconscious women for example, less inclined to do so.

What about my "solution"? Why didn't you consider it?

[New World Liberty]

yes!
and i say that because if you got a guy out there violently raping women he is not gonna change his own persona no matter what rehab he goes thru.
if you rape a kid it's not even a question. (however i don't really see a woman banging a horny 15-16 year old boy as a crime)
or throw them in prison and let GP have free range with them.

You can't rehab rapists period. i don't care what you say or how you say you can do it. it can't be done. chemical or physical castration is the only other method.

[Hathway]

Anyone who doesn't support the death penalty must enjoy letting these moronic inmates live off our tax dollars.

Some prisons are better than some homes where people struggle to make ends meet.

Eye for an eye.

Rape deserves Castration and 40+ years. Murder deserves instant Death Penalty.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Anyone who doesn't support the death penalty must enjoy letting these moronic inmates live off our tax dollars.

Some prisons are better than some homes where people struggle to make ends meet.

Eye for an eye.

Rape deserves Castration and 40+ years. Murder deserves instant Death Penalty.

It's quite expensive to implement the death penalty too. And hundreds of the convicted have been on death row for years, aka, living off the government.

[Hathway]

Anyone who doesn't support the death penalty must enjoy letting these moronic inmates live off our tax dollars.

Some prisons are better than some homes where people struggle to make ends meet.

Eye for an eye.

Rape deserves Castration and 40+ years. Murder deserves instant Death Penalty.

It's quite expensive to implement the death penalty too. And hundreds of the convicted have been on death row for years, aka, living off the government.

Exactly. The death Penalty is much cheaper than letting the inmateslive off the government for 40 years...

And I said instant death penalty. No set date.

Ah well, the Death penalty AFTER their appeal, no longer than a year. Everyone has a right to fair trial so, let them appeal. If they lost eh appeal, kill em in no longer than a week.

[Loria Aesir]

I think rape should be punishable by death. I would say torture but human rights say no.

[Hathway]

Not to mention though, rapist in jail are considered the lowest of low and are mostly beat up and raped themselves in jail. Seems some inmates have "higher" morals than other lmao.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Not to mention though, rapist in jail are considered the lowest of low and are mostly beat up and raped themselves in jail. Seems some inmates have "higher" morals than other lmao.

Source?

[Saint Jade IV]

Absolutely not. Even if I did support the death penalty, I certainly would not support it for anything short of outright murder. Being that I don't support the death penalty at all, I could not justify it for a crime like rape, which covers a whole range of offences, some brutal and horrific, some far more gray.

Although, it may make the plethora of men all to eager to justify raping unconscious women for example, less inclined to do so.

What about my "solution"? Why didn't you consider it?

Because I only respond to posts that have some form of intelligence.

[Dyakovo]

Do you think rapist and other capital criminals should be sentenced to death?

In theory, yes. In practice, no.

[Birminghamia]

Absolutely not. Even if I did support the death penalty, I certainly would not support it for anything short of outright murder. Being that I don't support the death penalty at all, I could not justify it for a crime like rape, which covers a whole range of offences, some brutal and horrific, some far more gray.

Although, it may make the plethora of men all to eager to justify raping unconscious women for example, less inclined to do so.

What about my "solution"? Why didn't you consider it?

Because I only respond to posts that have some form of intelligence.

lulz. Exercising those manners your mama taught you? (Stupidity was the point, if you didn't get that.)

[SaintB]

Exactly. The death Penalty is much cheaper than letting the inmateslive off the government for 40 years...

No, in fact its far more expensive what with all the appeals and such.

And I said instant death penalty. No set date.

Ah well, the Death penalty AFTER their appeal, no longer than a year. Everyone has a right to fair trial so, let them appeal. If they lost eh appeal, kill em in no longer than a week.

Yes because killing one hundred innocent people is preferable to letting one guilty person live. Some people have to file several appeals before they can prove their innocence. Things change often, new types of evidence can be admisable, new witnesses materialize, etc. Better to just lock them away for life.

[Dyakovo]

Rapers Rapists should not be murdered.

/end thread.

Fixed...

And do you even know the definition of murder? The death penalty is not murder (at least not in the places that have it).

[Birminghamia]

Not to mention though, rapist in jail are considered the lowest of low and are mostly beat up and raped themselves in jail. Seems some inmates have "higher" morals than other lmao.

Source?

It's common knowledge in the United States...

[Hathway]

Exactly. The death Penalty is much cheaper than letting the inmateslive off the government for 40 years...

No, in fact its far more expensive what with all the appeals and such.

And I said instant death penalty. No set date.

Ah well, the Death penalty AFTER their appeal, no longer than a year. Everyone has a right to fair trial so, let them appeal. If they lost eh appeal, kill em in no longer than a week.

Yes because killing one hundred innocent people is preferable to letting one guilty person live. Some people have to file several appeals before they can prove their innocence. Things change often, new types of evidence can be admisable, new witnesses materialize, etc. Better to just lock them away for life.

Which is why you get one appeal., I'm tired of wasting tax dollars and time on 438579439587438 appeals. I don't wnat them locked away for life where they get 3 meals a day and still treated like a normal person because they are not.

Eye for an eye.

Not to mention though, rapist in jail are considered the lowest of low and are mostly beat up and raped themselves in jail. Seems some inmates have "higher" morals than other lmao.

Source?

It's common knowledge in the United States...

Indeed it is. And my source?

80% fo my fathers friends were in jail(mainly for assault, bar fights, go figure. Explains why I don't drink as much as others)

Some spent time in a full fledged prison. And told me about it.

So, next?

[Birminghamia]

Also, about the topic of rapists needing appeals until they die, the Law of Large Numbers dictates the more appeals they get, the more likely one will come back with an innocent verdict, truly guilty or not. It is most certainly a fallacy to say the death penalty is bad because rapists/murderers need virtually unlimited appeals to prove their innocence.

[SaintB]

Exactly. The death Penalty is much cheaper than letting the inmateslive off the government for 40 years...

No, in fact its far more expensive what with all the appeals and such.

And I said instant death penalty. No set date.

Still more costly than some life sentences.

Ah well, the Death penalty AFTER their appeal, no longer than a year. Everyone has a right to fair trial so, let them appeal. If they lost eh appeal, kill em in no longer than a week.

Yes because killing one hundred innocent people is preferable to letting one guilty person live. Some people have to file several appeals before they can prove their innocence. Things change often, new types of evidence can be admisable, new witnesses materialize, etc. Better to just lock them away for life.

Which is why you get one appeal., I'm tired of wasting tax dollars and time on 438579439587438 appeals. I don't wnat them locked away for life where they get 3 meals a day and still treated like a normal person because they are not.

People can commit crimes and be a normal person, for a huge variety of reasons. Remember what you said about criminals next time you're caught speeding or jay walking and thank whatever you want to that the government doesn't hold such a dim view as yourself.

Eye for an eye.

You do realize that Jesus was arguing against such actions when he said that?

Edit for quote wierdness x3

[Tekania]

The DP system I consider appropriate would be first sentencing the subject to a prison term, in a normal (not death row), decent conditions prison, while additional evidence is being collected by both sides and the media is calming down. Only then, after between a year and two, without prior announcement, should the trial for DP take place...

You would need to repeal 5 and 6 of this first...

[Kantria]

Rapers Rapists should not be murdered.

/end thread.

Fixed...

And do you even know the definition of murder? The death penalty is not murder (at least not in the places that have it).

It's not murder, true, whether you think CP is immoral or not. Murder is the intentional, unlawful killing of another human being.

However, I think he was trying to say that rapists should not be punished in a way that does not reflect the nature of their crime. Murderers are executed ("murdered" themselves), but rapists have not killed anyone. If you subscribe to the idea of "life for life, foot for foot, eye for eye and tooth for tooth"—which, by the way, is a phrase intended at at least as much to argue against unjust punishments that exceed the crime as it is to express a desire for the convicted to be properly punished—the appropriate punishment is rape of the rapist, or something else that reflects the nature of their crime (castration, maybe).

I don't, by the way, think people should give "tooth for tooth" or "life for life".

[New Heliopolis]

No, unless it's done as a hate crime.

[The Tofu Islands]

Which is why you get one appeal., I'm tired of wasting tax dollars and time on 438579439587438 appeals. I don't wnat them locked away for life where they get 3 meals a day and still treated like a normal person because they are not.

Eye for an eye.

"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." -- Mohandas Gandhi

As for the death penalty in general, I think that the risk of executing an innocent person is too great. And I don't think that one appeal is necessarily enough (the case of al-Megrahi comes to mind -- his first appeal was rejected). Besides, the purpose of the justice system should be to rehabilitate criminals, not just to punish them.

Indeed it is. And my source?

80% fo my fathers friends were in jail(mainly for assault, bar fights, go figure. Explains why I don't drink as much as others)

Some spent time in a full fledged prison. And told me about it.

So, next?

An anecdote like that isn't really helpful, since we have no indication of whether your telling the truth or flat-out lying. An actual source would be appreciated.