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Euronion wrote:the post I was orginally responding to was saying that gays don't have equal rights,which they do, they just don't have what they wish

Euronion wrote:Homos can marry
Heteros can marry

I really am getting tired of typing the same thing 10 times for someone who has just entered the thread, go a page or two back.

De Quay wrote:Anger and abuse in return for the truth I see . . . nothing new there.

Well, let's move away from the personal and take some information from others - http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizen ... _supe.html
- and if it's a bias to want to be able to decide one's own worth and let others decide it for us, then I suspect it only shows the real problem.

And as a personal aside, no gay man has ever raped me and left me bleeding in my home. No straight male is capable of hearing that without somewhere in their "mind" ( I use that term sarcastically) the thought that I must have deserved it coming up no matter how hard they protest that they disapprove and would not have wanted to be there to 'get their share'.

Euronion wrote:I am feeling resentment towards you right now because you keep on calling me a bigot

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Euronion wrote:I am feeling resentment towards you right now because you keep on calling me a bigot

Gay people get basic fundamental pathways to happiness and peace of mind taken away: "Tough luck! Suck it up or get the fuck out of the US!"

You get called a bigot for your callous attitude toward homosexual people: "That is so mean! How dare you say such a mean thing to me!"

Yeah, people sometimes say mean things to you. You have it so hard.

Euronion wrote:scientists have fabricated their data on more than one occasion

Dyakovo wrote:

Sociobiology wrote:evolution is fun, and hard if you do not take statistics, that's why I had to minor in statistics.

I meant I missed the word practicing...

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Euronion wrote:Homos can marry
Heteros can marry

I really am getting tired of typing the same thing 10 times for someone who has just entered the thread, go a page or two back.

Since other people weren't explicit enough, I'll spell it out for your deliberately obtuse ass.

Can men marry men? No, only women can do that. Can women marry women? No, only men are able to marry women.

Not allowing same-sex marriage isn't necessarily "explicit" discrimination on the basis of sexuality, but it certainly is explicit discrimination on the basis of physical sex.

Faolinn wrote:Because it is different and there was a time when many of your children could be expected to die and to make sure the tribe survived you needed people to breed.Anything counter to this could be seen as a threat.

Sidhae wrote:Well, for a start, most of the so-called homophobes don't really hate homosexuals and the likes, they just don't enjoy having a lifestyle that goes beyond their standards of decency rubbed in their faces all the time.

It's much like why people who don't have a problem with nudists have a problem with homos - nudists are allocated their own secluded places to practice their thing without offending the sensibilities of others. Homosexuals too have gay bars, clubs and, of course, the privacy of their own homes. But yet a certain minority of them aren't content with that and aggressively press their lifestyle on general public by holding obnoxious parades and screaming and whining about their rights all the time. There's a nice word for such people - assholes, and even the most liberal Western nations haven't yet gone as far as to demand tolerating assholes.

In short, if homos and the likes just kept it private, there wouldn't really be a problem. Being... well, genetically and/or psychologically impaired in the sexual sphere isn't really something to brag with anyway.

Naurobia wrote:Stupid people misinterpreting religion is the source for most of the hate.

Sidhae wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:Perhaps if homosexuals had equal rights to heterosexuals, no more parades would occur and the "whining" about rights would end.

But no, you have to take the harder option and force them into hiding.

For analogy, look at Black people. It's been what, 40 years since they got their equal rights. Has that stopped them from asking for more? Of course, it hasn't - it has just given them an excuse to feel entitled to something simply because they are Black. Have gay parades stopped in countries where gay marriage and adoption is legal? No.

Bulgharia wrote:It is not lie.

You cannot disprove me.

Naurobia wrote:Stupid religion is the source for most of the hate.

Euronion wrote:

Mairuksta wrote:
Why shouldn't people be gay?

becuase if everyone were gay the human race would die off in little more than a century

Jasonovia wrote:What is so horrifically evil about suggesting celibacy instead?

Furious Grandmothers wrote:

Extollo wrote:I didn't bother reading the last 16 pages of banter, but I thought this was apropos:

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As far as the nature aspect, as I said it should not even matter, but I think what the fear stems from is that while it does appear in nature and so is technically natural, it does not normally appear in nature, biologically, in most species. There are plenty of cases of it occurring when showing dominance, or when there is a lack of the opposite sex, but not so much biological predisposition. Therefore it is seen as "abnormal" or "unusual", and unfortunately people carry with that an automatic connotation of "bad". We'll mostly grow out of this with the realization that it isn't really all that abnormal and it doesn't really matter all that much. As the graph demonstrates.

Are the 1,500 animal species (and growing) practicing homosexuality many enough to constitute normality? I guess not. Still, it's a significant enough number.

Extollo wrote:

Furious Grandmothers wrote:Are the 1,500 animal species (and growing) practicing homosexuality many enough to constitute normality? I guess not. Still, it's a significant enough number.

This is terribly out of context and I'm afraid you know it.

From the very Wikipedia page you guys like to keep posting:

Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.

I've never said it does not occur in nature, even most species, only that there is a very rare predisposition towards it. There's nothing wrong with that, and it certainly should have no bearing on whether or not someone is, or whether it is a predisposition or choice, I'm merely pointing it out because it serves to show why people think it's unnatural.

-St George wrote:

Extollo wrote:This is terribly out of context and I'm afraid you know it.

From the very Wikipedia page you guys like to keep posting:

Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.

I've never said it does not occur in nature, even most species, only that there is a very rare predisposition towards it. There's nothing wrong with that, and it certainly should have no bearing on whether or not someone is, or whether it is a predisposition or choice, I'm merely pointing it out because it serves to show why people think it's unnatural.

Natural: Occurring in nature.

Thus homosexuality is natural.

Also, bonobos.

Farnhamia wrote:"Also, bonobos." I like that. Maybe I'll start ending all my posts that way:

"So that's what I think. Also, bonobos."

Yes, definitely.

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:"Also, bonobos." I like that. Maybe I'll start ending all my posts that way:

"So that's what I think. Also, bonobos."

Yes, definitely.

Just reading up on them. Bonobos are freaky!

I want one... well, two actually. Maybe three...

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:"Also, bonobos." I like that. Maybe I'll start ending all my posts that way:

"So that's what I think. Also, bonobos."

Yes, definitely.

Just reading up on them. Bonobos are freaky!

I want one... well, two actually. Maybe three...

The Raqaani wrote:

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Just reading up on them. Bonobos are freaky!

I want one... well, two actually. Maybe three...

Why not go all the way? Get a private island somewhere in the South Pacific and live there with, like fifty bonobos.

The Raqaani wrote:Why not go all the way? Get a private island somewhere in the South Pacific and live there with, like fifty bonobos.