Why are People Homophobic?

[Euronion]

Pffft! Jesus, where are you getting your numbers?

the scientific compendium
Human Sperm Competition: Copulation, Masturbation and Infidelity
by M A Bellis and R R Baker

link? and by that I mean I want to see the exact numbers and exact calculations, scientists have fabricated their data on more than one occasion

[Keronians]

Pffft! Jesus, where are you getting your numbers?

Even if his numbers are slightly inflated (which they may be - I'm not sure) that does not change the validity of his statement.

Of course not, but it's pretty hard to oppress practically a sixth (16%) of the population of a country.

Much easier to oppress a tenth, which is what I thought the figure was.

[Sociobiology]

Yeah, actually they are...

Normal merely means "average". Contrary to how many people use it, it is therefor neither negative nor positive. A genius is not normal, nor is an imbecile.

Homosexuals form a minority, just like gingers, left-handed people, nobel prize winners, Olympic athlethes, massmurderers and honest lawyers. They are not normal

you can add the nuclear family to the list.

[-St George]

Which is only half of the worlds population Currently that is.
But true, it is unlikely. Still, thought experiments often are

Christians make up 3 billion of the worlds population, Muslims make up 2 billion, and Jews make up a few million, with a global population of around 7 billion as of January, thats 5+out of 7 billion who are either Christians, Jewish, or Muslims. That doesn't even include China's population, from which I understan, is pretty hostile towards it too so add another billion or so to that list

ITT there's no such thing as a gay christian

[The Alma Mater]

Christians make up 3 billion of the worlds population, Muslims make up 2 billion, and Jews make up a few million, with a global population of around 7 billion as of January, thats 5+out of 7 billion who are either Christians, Jewish, or Muslims. That doesn't even include China's population, from which I understan, is pretty hostile towards it too so add another billion or so to that list

ITT there's no such thing as a gay christian

I believe in you !
*claps hands*

[Dyakovo]

Then stop typing it... Your claim is obvious bullshit.
Heteros can marry the person of their choosing.
Homos cannot marry the person of their choosing.
Simple as that.

I assume that you read the thead since you quoted everyone through it, so go and read my explanations again¹, because I do not want to type another explanation for someone who will waste my time like you will, you have quite a reputation around the forums on arguements like the one at stake here², stop flaming³, stop insulting, and either offer something constructive⁴ or leave⁵ because I am not in the mood to argue with you right now⁶ come back in a day or two and then I will be ready to spar. Until then I will not reply to any of your posts⁷

1: I did read them. They're bullshit.
2: "Wah! I can't prove you're wrong, so instead I'll whine about how you're a big meanie!"
3: You think I've flamed someone, report me...
4: I have. Maybe you're the one who should consider actually reading the thread...
5: Sorry, but you can't order me out of the thread.
6: Of course you aren't... You don't have a rational argument.
7: Awww... I'm devastated... Not!

[Sociobiology]

Even if his numbers are slightly inflated (which they may be - I'm not sure) that does not change the validity of his statement.

Of course not, but it's pretty hard to oppress practically a sixth (16%) of the population of a country.

Much easier to oppress a tenth, which is what I thought the figure was.

it depends on the culture, low numbers like 12% tend to occur in culture which have death penalties of homosexual behavior, while cultures with fair treatment and a public healthcare system get around 16%.
I should note that practicing bisexuals are considered part of the homosexual population for the surveys.

[Dyakovo]

Even if his numbers are slightly inflated (which they may be - I'm not sure) that does not change the validity of his statement.

Of course not, but it's pretty hard to oppress practically a sixth (16%) of the population of a country.

Much easier to oppress a tenth, which is what I thought the figure was.

That's what I thought as well...

[Johz]

Then stop typing it... Your claim is obvious bullshit.
Heteros can marry the person of their choosing.
Homos cannot marry the person of their choosing.
Simple as that.

I assume that you read the thead since you quoted everyone through it, so go and read my explanations again, because I do not want to type another explanation for someone who will waste my time like you will, you have quite a reputation around the forums on arguements like the one at stake here, stop flaming, stop insulting, and either offer something constructive or leave because I am not in the mood to argue with you right now come back in a day or two and then I will be ready to spar. Until then I will not reply to any of your posts

I'd like to think my reputation is either good or nonexistent, so can I talk to you?

Does anyone have the right to marry who they love?

[Sociobiology]

the scientific compendium
Human Sperm Competition: Copulation, Masturbation and Infidelity
by M A Bellis and R R Baker

link? and by that I mean I want to see the exact numbers and exact calculations, scientists have fabricated their data on more than one occasion

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Sperm-Competition-Copulation-Masturbation/dp/0412454300

[Dyakovo]

Of course not, but it's pretty hard to oppress practically a sixth (16%) of the population of a country.

Much easier to oppress a tenth, which is what I thought the figure was.

it depends on the culture, low numbers like 12% tend to occur in culture which have death penalties of homosexual behavior, while cultures with fair treatment and a public healthcare system get around 16%.
I should note that practicing bisexuals are considered part of the homosexual population for the surveys.

In that case, I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher...

[Dyakovo]

I assume that you read the thead since you quoted everyone through it, so go and read my explanations again, because I do not want to type another explanation for someone who will waste my time like you will, you have quite a reputation around the forums on arguements like the one at stake here, stop flaming, stop insulting, and either offer something constructive or leave because I am not in the mood to argue with you right now come back in a day or two and then I will be ready to spar. Until then I will not reply to any of your posts

I'd like to think my reputation is either good or nonexistent, so can I talk to you?

Only if you blindly accept everything he says as The Truth™.
*nods*

[Sociobiology]

it depends on the culture, low numbers like 12% tend to occur in culture which have death penalties of homosexual behavior, while cultures with fair treatment and a public healthcare system get around 16%.
I should note that practicing bisexuals are considered part of the homosexual population for the surveys.

In that case, I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher...

the key word would be practicing
the benefits for reproduction are predicted to balance the increased risk of disease at ~15% of the population, other factors move it from their.

[Naurobia]

Stupid religion is the source for most of the hate.

[The Alma Mater]

I assume that you read the thead since you quoted everyone through it, so go and read my explanations again, because I do not want to type another explanation for someone who will waste my time like you will, you have quite a reputation around the forums on arguements like the one at stake here, stop flaming, stop insulting, and either offer something constructive or leave because I am not in the mood to argue with you right now come back in a day or two and then I will be ready to spar. Until then I will not reply to any of your posts

I'd like to think my reputation is either good or nonexistent, so can I talk to you?

Does anyone have the right to marry who they love?

One of the posters here (you know who you are - kudos !) made me realise that the whole "equal rights" debate is kinda irrelevant.

The issue is that a group of people wants that everyone - gay, straight, pansexual, asexual, whatever - gets the right to marry someone of the same gender. Everybody would therefor get more rights.

So opponents should not argue there is no lack of equality that needs solving - but why such rights should be witheld from everyone.

[Dyakovo]

In that case, I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher...

the key word would be practicing
the benefits for reproduction are predicted to balance the increased risk of disease at ~15% of the population, other factors move it from their.

Good point... I missed that...

[Keronians]

Then stop typing it... Your claim is obvious bullshit.
Heteros can marry the person of their choosing.
Homos cannot marry the person of their choosing.
Simple as that.

I assume that you read the thead since you quoted everyone through it, so go and read my explanations again, because I do not want to type another explanation for someone who will waste my time like you will, you have quite a reputation around the forums on arguements like the one at stake here, stop flaming, stop insulting, and either offer something constructive or leave because I am not in the mood to argue with you right now come back in a day or two and then I will be ready to spar. Until then I will not reply to any of your posts

75% of Spaniards are Catholic. 70% of Spaniards support gay marriage.

[Dyakovo]

I assume that you read the thead since you quoted everyone through it, so go and read my explanations again, because I do not want to type another explanation for someone who will waste my time like you will, you have quite a reputation around the forums on arguements like the one at stake here, stop flaming, stop insulting, and either offer something constructive or leave because I am not in the mood to argue with you right now come back in a day or two and then I will be ready to spar. Until then I will not reply to any of your posts

75% of Spaniards are Catholic. 70% of Spaniards support gay marriage.

Obviously they're not Real Catholics™.
*nods*

[Johz]

I'd like to think my reputation is either good or nonexistent, so can I talk to you?

Does anyone have the right to marry who they love?

One of the posters here (you know who you are - kudos !) made me realise that the whole "equal rights" debate is kinda irrelevant.

The issue is that a group of people wants that everyone - gay, straight, pansexual, asexual, whatever - gets the right to marry someone of the same gender. Everybody would therefor get more rights.

So opponents should not argue there is no lack of equality that needs solving - but why such rights should be witheld from everyone.

I think a little bit of that kudos should go to you. Indeed, I'll chip in with some kudos, because that is a really interesting point. Thanks for making it.

[Sociobiology]

One of the posters here (you know who you are - kudos !) made me realise that the whole "equal rights" debate is kinda irrelevant.

The issue is that a group of people wants that everyone - gay, straight, pansexual, asexual, whatever - gets the right to marry someone of the same gender. Everybody would therefor get more rights.

So opponents should not argue there is no lack of equality that needs solving - but why such rights should be witheld from everyone.

I think a little bit of that kudos should go to you. Indeed, I'll chip in with some kudos, because that is a really interesting point. Thanks for making it.

[Sociobiology]

the key word would be practicing
the benefits for reproduction are predicted to balance the increased risk of disease at ~15% of the population, other factors move it from their.

Good point... I missed that...

evolution is fun, and hard if you do not take statistics, that's why I had to minor in statistics.

[Esternial]

Due to religion having dominated most of our minds in the past, with mad "men of God" filling our ancestor's mind with their nonsense about how homosexuality is a disease, yada...

It's hard to get rid of beliefs that has been pretty much marked deep within our society. Ancient Rome didn't have too much problem with it, so it's not like it's natural for people to be homophobic.

[Salandriagado]

If many people believe so, which many do, than we should respect their beliefs even if we think they are misguided instead of forcing them to accept something that they do not believe is right, Like Muslims who wear Hijabs, Muslims see hair as a symbol of sexuality, we don't, but we still ahve to respect their beliefs. I beleive that it is not right as the Bible says it is not.

Um, no, actually. Neither I nor anyone else is under any legal, logical or moral compulsion to respect your beliefs, or anyone else's. Your right to have and express those beliefs? Absolutely, I'll defend it to the death. But the belief itself, no, not in the slightest, no more than I would respect the beliefs of someone who thought their god was telling them to kill people, or someone who believed that they had the right to torture people to death for being black. All opinions are in no way, shape or form, equal.

[The Warrior Hearted]

Euro, just admit it. You are a bigot.


I believe that fact, as does just about everyone else on here. You have lost. You do not pass go, you do not collect $50, and you have lost what little agreement there was for your side here on NS.

Goodday sir and may the door knock some sense into you on the way out

Sincerely, your heterosexual (not)friend
Drake

[Dyakovo]

Good point... I missed that...

evolution is fun, and hard if you do not take statistics, that's why I had to minor in statistics.

I meant I missed the word practicing...