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Bulgharia
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Postby Bulgharia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:32 am

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, arsenokoitēs, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Arsenikotes mean homosexuals.

I did proved it. Accept the truth, homosexuals are sinners which will be punished.
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:32 am

Bulgharia wrote:(26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, arsenokoitēs, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Arsenokoitai is a word Paul of Tarsas invented. We do not know what it means.

Learn the fucking Bible. Anyone can belt out a verse, learn the fucking context and history of it for fuck sake.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:32 am

Bulgharia wrote:(26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, arsenokoitēs, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.


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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:33 am

Bulgharia wrote:I did proved it. Accept the truth, homosexuals are sinners which will be punished.


You did not prove anything, and the very quote you provided disproved your argument. Are you trolling? I suspect you are.
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:34 am

Bulgharia wrote:Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, arsenokoitēs, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Arsenikotes mean homosexuals.

I did proved it. Accept the truth, homosexuals are sinners which will be punished.

Bullfuckingshit.

Arsenokoitai is a word Paul invents, instead of using the word the fucking Greeks had for fucking homosexuality at the time? Why? Because he wasn't fucking referring to Christianity.
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Postby Bulgharia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:34 am

Homosexuals are sinners. Period.


But anyway, religion is not that important for you, isn' it?
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:36 am

Bulgharia wrote:Homosexuals are sinners. Period.


But anyway, religion is not that important for you, isn' it?

Prove. It.

And I am a Christian AND a homosexual.

Get the fuck out of my religion with your outdated and backward bigotry. I hope a bird shits upon from a great height. I hope your children are ugly and your wife is fat. I fart in your general direction.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:36 am

Bulgharia wrote:Homosexuals are sinners. Period.


Yes, according to Christianity, they are. Your point? Every Christian is a sinner. Yet they will still be saved, because they recognize they are sinners, and want to turn from that sinful nature. Nothing says homosexuals cannot also be saved.

But anyway, religion is not that important for you, isn' it?


Irrelevant.
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Postby Extollo » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:38 am

I didn't bother reading the last 16 pages of banter, but I thought this was apropos:

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As far as the nature aspect, as I said it should not even matter, but I think what the fear stems from is that while it does appear in nature and so is technically natural, it does not normally appear in nature, biologically, in most species. There are plenty of cases of it occurring when showing dominance, or when there is a lack of the opposite sex, but not so much biological predisposition. Therefore it is seen as "abnormal" or "unusual", and unfortunately people carry with that an automatic connotation of "bad". We'll mostly grow out of this with the realization that it isn't really all that abnormal and it doesn't really matter all that much. As the graph demonstrates. :)
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:39 am

Sovereign Oppression wrote:
Bulgharia wrote:Homosexuals are sinners. Period.


Yes, according to Christianity, they are. Your point? Every Christian is a sinner. Yet they will still be saved, because they recognize they are sinners, and want to turn from that sinful nature. Nothing says homosexuals cannot also be saved.

This. I am not a sinner for being homosexual.

I am a sinner because I, among other things, lie, drink and fuck.

And God will forgive me, for He is merciful.
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Postby Bulgharia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:40 am

St.George, that's why I hate gays. When I prove that you are sinner, they insult me.

So, full support for the Nationalists.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:40 am

Extollo wrote:I didn't bother reading the last 16 pages of banter, but I thought this was apropos:


You didn't miss much. Topic was made (I responded with insight), an argument that homosexuality is a violation of constitutional rights is made (I, sadly, disproved), and now some whacko is trying to argue Christianity bars homosexuals from becoming Christians (I have also disproved, yet he continues rambling).

Also, I find your graph amusing. Haha.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:41 am

Extollo wrote:I didn't bother reading the last 16 pages of banter, but I thought this was apropos:

(Image)

As far as the nature aspect, as I said it should not even matter, but I think what the fear stems from is that while it does appear in nature and so is technically natural, it does not normally appear in nature, biologically, in most species. There are plenty of cases of it occurring when showing dominance, or when there is a lack of the opposite sex, but not so much biological predisposition. Therefore it is seen as "abnormal" or "unusual", and unfortunately people carry with that an automatic connotation of "bad". We'll mostly grow out of this with the realization that it isn't really all that abnormal and it doesn't really matter all that much. As the graph demonstrates. :)

Are the 1,500 animal species (and growing) practicing homosexuality many enough to constitute normality? I guess not. Still, it's a significant enough number.
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:41 am

Bulgharia wrote:St.George, that's why I hate gays. When I prove that you are sinner, they insult me.

So, full support for the Nationalists.

Except you haven't proven how I'm a sinner.

Jesus never condemned homosexuality. Paul never did. The story of Sodom isn't about homosexuality. Timothy is mistranslated. Leviticus is irrelevant to Christains.

Next?
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Postby Bulgharia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:41 am

You didn't disproved me. You just argued that is Old testament.

I showed you New Testament. You continue arguing.
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Postby Bulgharia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:42 am

St.George, accept the truth. You are sinner, you are not Christian, becuase you are sinner. Since you already had sex, your sins will not be forgiven anymore.
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:42 am

Bulgharia wrote:You didn't disproved me. You just argued that is Old testament.

I showed you New Testament. You continue arguing.

And I showed you that the verses are fucking mistranslations.

Try reading my fucking posts.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:42 am

Bulgharia wrote:St.George, that's why I hate gays. When I prove that you are sinner, they insult me.

So, full support for the Nationalists.


No, you're skewing the Bible, and trying to tell him he has no salvation. that's why he's aggravated by you. Please, learn a book before you try to argue against it. And quit the trolling, or you will be reported. Leave George alone. You're merely trying to gauge reactions out of him.

George, ignore him. I don't want to see someone else get in trouble for lashing out at scum (i.e. TCH's banning).
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:44 am

Bulgharia wrote:St.George, accept the truth. You are sinner, you are not Christian, becuase you are sinner. Since you already had sex, your sins will not be forgiven anymore.

Derp.

Show me where Jesus said 'if have a fuck you're going to hell'.

I am more fucking Christian than you will ever be. Christianity is about tolerance and acceptance, and you do neither, and are as much a Christian as Genghis Kahn.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:44 am

Bulgharia wrote:You didn't disproved me. You just argued that is Old testament.

I showed you New Testament. You continue arguing.


And I told you it was New Testament, referring to Old Testament laws.

Are you incapable of understanding that people refer to history? That doesn't mean suddenly things change in the present. You're ignoring this.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:44 am

George, please calm yourself. You are becoming heated.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:45 am

Bulgharia wrote:St.George, accept the truth. You are sinner, you are not Christian, becuase you are sinner. Since you already had sex, your sins will not be forgiven anymore.


I warned you.
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:48 am

Sovereign Oppression wrote:George, please calm yourself. You are becoming heated.

Meh.

I'll stop, I suppose.
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Postby Sovereign Oppression » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:53 am

Now that that pointless thread-jacking is over...I'm am upset that this theory of mine was not responded to.

Sovereign Oppression wrote:I find the argument that homosexual marriage should be illegal to be a curious one. Marriage is merely a partnership, from which legal benefits come around.

What's really being said by proponents of "traditional" marriage is that love should only be allowed between a man and a woman.
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Postby -St George » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:54 am

Sovereign Oppression wrote:Now that that pointless thread-jacking is over...I'm am upset that this theory of mine was not responded to.

Sovereign Oppression wrote:I find the argument that homosexual marriage should be illegal to be a curious one. Marriage is merely a partnership, from which legal benefits come around.

What's really being said by proponents of "traditional" marriage is that love should only be allowed between a man and a woman.

I've always defined love thusly:
Lust is being will to fuck your SO. Love is being willing to let them fuck you.

Crude, but I like it.
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