Illegals stealing education

[New England and The Maritimes]

Really? Illegal immigrants have payroll and sales tax deducted, but unlike you do not claim benefits for fear of being thrown into a country very few know much about. You're the one mooching off of them, kiddo.

[Coffee Cakes]

Better.
You get an internet and a beer.

Can I trade teh internet for another beer?

Sure.

Or an even simpler solution. Cut government spending.

How is that simpler?

Well, how is it simpler to raise taxes when there's no productive workersmiddle class body with enough money left to tax?
Also, taxes discourage employers, which makes it worse. And can cause rich people to move elsewhere with fewer taxes.

[Isolated China]

Can I trade teh internet for another beer?

Sure.

YEAH! BEER PARTY! WHOOT! HUZZAH!

Really? Illegal immigrants have payroll and sales tax deducted, but unlike you do not claim benefits for fear of being thrown into a country very few know much about. You're the one mooching off of them, kiddo.

Why don't we just naturalize the illegals instead of shipping them off to Guatemala?

[KludgeMUSH]

The better route would be just building a goshdarned 5 story tall barbed wire fence on the ENTIRE border. And station armed guards periodically along it, and at every crossing to make sure nothing happens.

And make shovels and wire cutters illegal in Mexico? Somehow, I think your plan has a few flaws.

[Norstal]

Well, how is it simpler to raise taxes when there's no productive workersmiddle class body with enough money left to tax?
Also, taxes discourage employers, which makes it worse. And can cause rich people to move elsewhere with fewer taxes.

That doesn't solve the immigration problem. Or this.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Really? Illegal immigrants have payroll and sales tax deducted, but unlike you do not claim benefits for fear of being thrown into a country very few know much about. You're the one mooching off of them, kiddo.

Why don't we just naturalize the illegals instead of shipping them off to Guatemala?

Because the GOP doesn't want any more immigrants let in. They've built their careers on "THEY TUK R JERBS," and "DIRTY NIGGERS/MEXICANS/MOOSLIMS" and they aren't going to be winning the minority vote any time soon because of it.

[Pryssilvalia]

Isn't it ironic that a country which has got its position now purely because of immigration of scientists and doctors and other successful people from all over the world, now complains against giving scholarships to deserving albeit illegal-immigrant students?

[Norstal]

Why don't we just naturalize the illegals instead of shipping them off to Guatemala?

Because the GOP doesn't want any more immigrants let in. They've built their careers on "THEY TUK R JERBS," and "DIRTY NIGGERS/MEXICANS/MOOSLIMS" and they aren't going to be winning the minority vote any time soon because of it.

See, that's what I don't get about GOPs. They don't want jobs for illegals immigrants right? Now then, if taxing the rich reduces jobs, that means illegals don't get jobs.

It's a win-win!

[Grave_n_idle]

Can I trade teh internet for another beer?

Sure.

How is that simpler?

Well, how is it simpler to raise taxes when there's no productive workersmiddle class body with enough money left to tax?
Also, taxes discourage employers, which makes it worse. And can cause rich people to move elsewhere with fewer taxes.

Shall we ignore the fact that your claim is clearly not true?

There are people with money to tax. There are people getting wealthy even in a recession.

But let's ignore that for the moment and address the question of how taxation might be simpler than spending cuts? First and foremost, because the burden of deciding drops on the tax-payer when you increase taxes, whereas spending cuts means deciding what to cut, how, by how much, and what you have to keep or cover.

If simplicity is our prime metric - tax increases are best.

[Coffee Cakes]

Well, how is it simpler to raise taxes when there's no productive workersmiddle class body with enough money left to tax?
Also, taxes discourage employers, which makes it worse. And can cause rich people to move elsewhere with fewer taxes.

That doesn't solve the immigration problem. Or this.

No, but it solves a question I was responding to.

The better route would be just building a goshdarned 5 story tall barbed wire fence on the ENTIRE border. And station armed guards periodically along it, and at every crossing to make sure nothing happens.

And make shovels and wire cutters illegal in Mexico? Somehow, I think your plan has a few flaws.

That was admittedly 75% sarcasm, but in all honesty, I could probably fart out a better plan than what's been provided the last 25 years or so, which has been, nothing but total amnesty, or just ignoring the problem.

[Norstal]

That doesn't solve the immigration problem. Or this.

No, but it solves a question I was responding to.

Why do you people go off-topic so much...

[Grave_n_idle]

I actually support this. What makes natives so superior to immigrants? They deserve a chance to be successful too.
The better route would still be to try and improve education in Mexico, however.

The better route would be just building a goshdarned 5 story tall barbed wire fence on the ENTIRE border. And station armed guards periodically along it, and at every crossing to make sure nothing happens.

In this context, 'better' route is supposed to be interpreted as 'nonsensical, impractical, ridiculously expensive, and ineffective'... right?

[Pryssilvalia]

That was admittedly 75% sarcasm, but in all honesty, I could probably fart out a better plan than what's been provided the last 25 years or so, which has been, nothing but total amnesty, or just ignoring the problem.

Oh, the gift of hindsight, the ignorance of historical context, and pure arrogance .

[Grave_n_idle]

That doesn't solve the immigration problem. Or this.

No, but it solves a question I was responding to.

Except it didn't even answer the question you were asked, much less solve it. You just asked another question, instead.

And the question wasn't even a good (or realistic) one.

And make shovels and wire cutters illegal in Mexico? Somehow, I think your plan has a few flaws.

That was admittedly 75% sarcasm, but in all honesty, I could probably fart out a better plan than what's been provided the last 25 years or so, which has been, nothing but total amnesty, or just ignoring the problem.

If there had been nothing but total amnesty, there'd be no illegal immigrants.

[Coffee Cakes]

No, but it solves a question I was responding to.

Why do you people go off-topic so much...

Would it be NSG without off-topic excursions?

The better route would be just building a goshdarned 5 story tall barbed wire fence on the ENTIRE border. And station armed guards periodically along it, and at every crossing to make sure nothing happens.

In this context, 'better' route is supposed to be interpreted as 'nonsensical, impractical, ridiculously expensive, and ineffective'... right?

Again, that was 75% sarcasm. See my lost post.

[Great Valencia]

Collect and deport ALL illegals from the country, bring home the soldiers and marines from the middle east, stock up on border patrol, and there we go, no more illegals. Get the illegals out of our education system and jobs.

[Grave_n_idle]

Why do you people go off-topic so much...

Would it be NSG without off-topic excursions?

In this context, 'better' route is supposed to be interpreted as 'nonsensical, impractical, ridiculously expensive, and ineffective'... right?

Again, that was 75% sarcasm. See my lost post.

'75% sarcasm' would suggest you think there's 25% that should be taken seriously.

[Grave_n_idle]

Collect and deport ALL illegals from the country, bring home the soldiers and marines from the middle east, stock up on border patrol, and there we go, no more illegals. Get the illegals out of our education system and jobs.

I'm not sure whether I'm more distressed that you think this is a good and/or viable idea... or that you'd (apparently) be willing to bankrupt everyone else in the nation just to satisfy your ideology.

[-St George]

Not only is this a horrible idea considering the financial crisis but also a horrible idea that we are giving illegals the right to education over citizens. Thousands of students apply to UCs and out of those thousands only a handful are picked. Now when that position could go to a US citizen it goes to an illegal and on taxpayer funds too. I think this is just a sick and horrible idea, and I believe that we need the Federal government to intervene. It really needs to take a solid and uniform stance on immigration. I mean we are turning into a nation of extremes, just look at us, Arizona passes a huge anti-illegal law and California is on the verge of passing the DREAM act. This will make it harder for my children to get a higher education and get college level jobs, as if finding jobs, even college level ones, are really that easy to find

You're a nation of immigrants. Fucking deal with it ffs.

Its your own fucking fault that you have an immigrant 'problem'.

Why? Because you screw these places over with your bullshit war on drugs and your overthrowing of democratic governments to combat the 'socialist menace', and then make it extremely difficult for these people to enter your fucking nation legally and then complain when they do it illegally.

[Norstal]

Collect and deport ALL illegals from the country, bring home the soldiers and marines from the middle east, stock up on border patrol, and there we go, no more illegals. Get the illegals out of our education system and jobs.

I'm not sure whether I'm more distressed that you think this is a good and/or viable idea... or that you'd (apparently) be willing to bankrupt everyone else in the nation just to satisfy your ideology.

Honestly, I don't know how'd you show that you're not illegal. Refugees pending asylum, for example, are illegals by technicality. But they're refugees.

[Coffee Cakes]

Would it be NSG without off-topic excursions?



Again, that was 75% sarcasm. See my lost post.

'75% sarcasm' would suggest you think there's 25% that should be taken seriously.

Well, the one bit of that I would take seriously at all would be the construction of a fence. Any fence really, I don't care how tall it is.

[Grave_n_idle]

'75% sarcasm' would suggest you think there's 25% that should be taken seriously.

Well, the one bit of that I would take seriously at all would be the construction of a fence. Any fence really, I don't care how tall it is.

Which is nonsensically impractical, unrealistic, irrelevant to the issue, ridiculously expensive, and entirely ineffective.

And that's the 25% you want us to take seriously?

[Norstal]

'75% sarcasm' would suggest you think there's 25% that should be taken seriously.

Well, the one bit of that I would take seriously at all would be the construction of a fence. Any fence really, I don't care how tall it is.

GPS works better.

[Lessnt]

wasn't there another bill going through the California legislature that allows colleges to take race and gender into account when considering an application?

is this bill only for illegals in California or does it just make them elegable for scholarships?

as long as it doesn't give them extra 'consideration' for scholarships, I see no problem with it.

In california as long as you can victimize yourself you can get anything.

[Pryssilvalia]

Well, the one bit of that I would take seriously at all would be the construction of a fence. Any fence really, I don't care how tall it is.

So said the guy who also said:

... in all honesty, I could probably fart out a better plan than what's been provided the last 25 years or so, which has been, nothing but total amnesty, or just ignoring the problem.