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What do you think about AB 131?

I think it should be passed, illegals should be given tax payer funds to take spots from citizens
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I think Governor Brown should veto it immediatly, it is wrong for tax payers to bear the burdern
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:20 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:
The better route would be just building a goshdarned 5 story tall barbed wire fence on the ENTIRE border. And station armed guards periodically along it, and at every crossing to make sure nothing happens.


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That is a brilliant idea. :clap:
Can we implement it at the Canadian border too.
Just so nobody can accuse the US of playing favorites?
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Postby Euronion » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:20 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Isolated China wrote:Well, they aren't stealing education. And I think its fine that they are going to educate illegals, but at the state's expense?
Now thats a different matter.


That's my issue too. They didn't pay any money in the form of income taxes, nor did their parents. If they want to go, they can pay out of state tuition, just like other Americans, who come to California to get an education. Not to mention that our state can't afford this. If they want to take out loans - those are also available. The Democrats are just doing this to rally the Hispanic Vote against third parties. Why can't Republicans run normal candidates in California?


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Postby Isolated China » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:20 pm

Euronion wrote:
Allrule wrote:This.

Also biased poll for the lose.


if they are illegals and aren't even supposed to be here in the first place technically they are illegally taking spots in colleges which means they are stealing spots at the taxpayer's expense

Well if Mexico isn't going to educate them, that doesn't mean we should tell them to hop back across the border and let them be stupid. And maybe worsen the drug trafficking.

And illegals usually will try to be naturalized. If they don't want to be naturalized ever, then sure, kick'em out. But if they plan on becoming legal eventually, then lets keep them here and educate them. Who knows, maybe one of them will be smarter then our previous presidents of George Bush and Obama.
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:22 pm

Isolated China wrote: maybe one of them will be smarter then our previous presidents of George Bush and Obama.


It's not hard to be smarter than both Bushes and Obama.
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Postby Isolated China » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:22 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Isolated China wrote:Well, they aren't stealing education. And I think its fine that they are going to educate illegals, but at the state's expense?
Now thats a different matter.


That's my issue too. They didn't pay any money in the form of income taxes, nor did their parents. If they want to go, they can pay out of state tuition, just like other Americans, who come to California to get an education. Not to mention that our state can't afford this. If they want to take out loans - those are also available. The Democrats are just doing this to rally the Hispanic Vote against third parties. Why can't Republicans run normal candidates in California?

Well, the Hispanic population is growing and is predicted to overcome the white population eventually. But still, make the illegals pay some form of tax or have them pay back half of what they get for a tuition interest free.
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Postby Euronion » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:22 pm

Isolated China wrote:
Euronion wrote:
if they are illegals and aren't even supposed to be here in the first place technically they are illegally taking spots in colleges which means they are stealing spots at the taxpayer's expense

Well if Mexico isn't going to educate them, that doesn't mean we should tell them to hop back across the border and let them be stupid. And maybe worsen the drug trafficking.

And illegals usually will try to be naturalized. If they don't want to be naturalized ever, then sure, kick'em out. But if they plan on becoming legal eventually, then lets keep them here and educate them. Who knows, maybe one of them will be smarter then our previous presidents of George Bush and Obama.


psh, a band of sixth graders could probably come up with better economic policies
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:24 pm

Euronion wrote:psh, a band of sixth graders could probably come up with better economic policies


I'll drink to that.

Bailouts aren't the answer. Proven repeatedly since 07.
Taxes haven't helped either.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:26 pm

Dakini wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:IIRC, the DREAM Act is essentially a bill that naturalizes illegal aliens that prove that they have earned a high school-level education and that have shown promise in excelling in post-secondary education.

I don't necessarily have a problem with this, though I am getting ready to apply for graduate studies at the end of this year and all you fuckers (legal or illegal) better not keep me from being accepted. D:<

If you do well, nobody is going to keep you from being accepted.


I am an American, dammit! I'm not supposed to *have* to work to be successful!

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:27 pm

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Dakini wrote:If you do well, nobody is going to keep you from being accepted.


I am an American, dammit! I'm not supposed to *have* to work to be successful!

D:<


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Postby Shofercia » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:29 pm

Euronion wrote:
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That's my issue too. They didn't pay any money in the form of income taxes, nor did their parents. If they want to go, they can pay out of state tuition, just like other Americans, who come to California to get an education. Not to mention that our state can't afford this. If they want to take out loans - those are also available. The Democrats are just doing this to rally the Hispanic Vote against third parties. Why can't Republicans run normal candidates in California?


We better all get on our knees and pray for another Regan (from California too) beacuse we sure as hell need one


No, we don't need another corporate slave. You have the Democrats (in California) pandering to the poor, the Republicans pandering to the rich, and the middle class gets fucked. We need someone from the middle class, who will fight for middle class values.


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Shofercia wrote:
That's my issue too. They didn't pay any money in the form of income taxes, nor did their parents. If they want to go, they can pay out of state tuition, just like other Americans, who come to California to get an education. Not to mention that our state can't afford this. If they want to take out loans - those are also available. The Democrats are just doing this to rally the Hispanic Vote against third parties. Why can't Republicans run normal candidates in California?

Well, the Hispanic population is growing and is predicted to overcome the white population eventually. But still, make the illegals pay some form of tax or have them pay back half of what they get for a tuition interest free.


Not if you limit immigration and government handouts. The problem with the bill, is that California's system enables the very poor to qualify for full scholarships. Illegal immigrant families are very poor by definition, so it's giving them a free ride.
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Postby Isolated China » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:31 pm

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Isolated China wrote: maybe one of them will be smarter then our previous presidents of George Bush and Obama.


It's not hard to be smarter than both Bushes and Obama.

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Postby Avenio » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:32 pm

Coffee Cakes wrote:That is a brilliant idea. :clap:
Can we implement it at the Canadian border too.
Just so nobody can accuse the US of playing favorites?


After all, nothing says 'free trade agreement' and 'multilateral cooperation' like border fences.

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:32 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Euronion wrote:
We better all get on our knees and pray for another Regan (from California too) beacuse we sure as hell need one


No, we don't need another corporate slave. You have the Democrats (in California) pandering to the poor, the Republicans pandering to the rich, and the middle class gets fucked. We need someone from the middle class, who will fight for middle class values.



#1, good luck on Page winning.
#2, getting a politician that cares about the middle class is darn near impossible, no matter what party or state people are in.
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Postby Gravida » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:34 pm

What a horrid proposal.

I don't even like having to pay into social security, so good thing I don't live in your state.

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:35 pm

Avenio wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:That is a brilliant idea. :clap:
Can we implement it at the Canadian border too.
Just so nobody can accuse the US of playing favorites?


After all, nothing says 'free trade agreement' and 'multilateral cooperation' like border fences.


I despise NAFTA and any manner of those type things.
All they do is bend over the American worker.
That gets pinned on 90's Republicans and Clinton.
Stupid all around by all involved.
But then again, most of the 1990's were a giant one of these: :palm: anyway.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:35 pm

Avenio wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:That is a brilliant idea. :clap:
Can we implement it at the Canadian border too.
Just so nobody can accuse the US of playing favorites?


After all, nothing says 'free trade agreement' and 'multilateral cooperation' like border fences.


Flame turrets. Border flame turrets.

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Postby Isolated China » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:35 pm

Euronion wrote:
Isolated China wrote:Well if Mexico isn't going to educate them, that doesn't mean we should tell them to hop back across the border and let them be stupid. And maybe worsen the drug trafficking.

And illegals usually will try to be naturalized. If they don't want to be naturalized ever, then sure, kick'em out. But if they plan on becoming legal eventually, then lets keep them here and educate them. Who knows, maybe one of them will be smarter then our previous presidents of George Bush and Obama.


psh, a band of sixth graders could probably come up with better economic policies

That is very true. Why can't we have Clinton again? At least he tried.

Euronion wrote:
Isolated China wrote:Well, the Hispanic population is growing and is predicted to overcome the white population eventually. But still, make the illegals pay some form of tax or have them pay back half of what they get for a tuition interest free.


Not if you limit immigration and government handouts. The problem with the bill, is that California's system enables the very poor to qualify for full scholarships. Illegal immigrant families are very poor by definition, so it's giving them a free ride.

Well, to limit immigration, we'd have to stop all the immigrants hopping the Mexican-American border. And to do that, we'd need alot of police there, as the major crime around there basically allows free roaming into America.
And I don't understand why they'd want college though. I mean, go get a job for McDonalds or Burger King. But if they want to, well, thats their choice.
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:36 pm

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It's not hard to be smarter than both Bushes and Obama.

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Try tellin that to the Democrats and Republicans. They'll be in awe.


I'll drink to that. Sad truth, ain't it?
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:39 pm

Guys, seriously:

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2 ... thing.html

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Postby Avenio » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:41 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Flame turrets. Border flame turrets.

There is a difference.


Ah. Well, as long as we get to use our border defense grizzlies, it's all good.

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:42 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Guys, seriously:

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2 ... thing.html

Alot needs some rest. He's been doing a lot of work for NSG lately, and people need to stop referencing Alot alot of the time.


Thanks for that link. I haven't laughed so hard in days. :clap:
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:42 pm

Avenio wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Flame turrets. Border flame turrets.

There is a difference.


Ah. Well, as long as we get to use our border defense grizzlies, it's all good.


Deal.
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Postby Belvadaire » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:44 pm

first of all, edcuation can't be stolen, you learn as you live, second of all, that must be some sort mainstream education, poisen to children brains, if it's not open fro everyone and must be investigated to ther full extent, by honest authorities, it's bad enough things everywhere is brainwashing kid minds, now that garbage is being stolen, right!!!

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Postby Isolated China » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:44 pm

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Isolated China wrote:Image
Try tellin that to the Democrats and Republicans. They'll be in awe.


I'll drink to that. Sad truth, ain't it?

Yep. Our first black president ruined his one chance to make it seem like black people should get into the White House. Maybe somehow George Washington and Benjamin Franklin predicted Obama would come along and ruin the chances for other races to get into the White House, so named it hence. Or maybe thats just my crazy, hippie side of me talking.

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:Guys, seriously:

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2 ... thing.html

Alot needs some rest. He's been doing a lot of work for NSG lately, and people need to stop referencing Alot alot of the time.

I'm Southern and I'll speak however I want to, dammit! :p
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Postby Paragade » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:52 pm

If immigration laws were streamlined this illegal immigrants would be legal and they would be able to pay taxes. Yes there is a minimum tax bracket for those who make less than $8,500 per year so don't believe any bullshit that the Republicans try and pass off when they say "The poor don't pay their taxes."

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